Hot Stove: MLB Offseason Thread

[BBTV]

Yeah, he got Boras'd.

[RedSox44]

Yeah, he got Boras'd.

Sometimes he downright screws his clients.

[RedSox44]

Yeah, he got Boras'd.

Sometimes he downright screws his clients.

[pmoehrin]

Yeah, he got Boras'd.

Who know what happened. Somebody is flat out lying.

Although I can't see how the Phillies could want Papelbon over Madson. Maybe they thought he was the better pitcher, but you would need to give up draft compensation to get him. I can't see the difference between Madson and Papelbon being to such a degree where it would be worth it to give up a high round draft pick. They're the same age and I would say roughly equal in terms of talent.

Unless the Phillies thought that highly of Papelbon as compared to Madson the deal didn't make sense the way Boars says it went down. Maybe they did, but I tend to believe the Phillies side of things, but again who knows what actually happened.

[Fox]

Yeah, he got Boras'd.

Who know what happened. Somebody is flat out lying.

Although I can't see how the Phillies could want Papelbon over Madson. Maybe they thought he was the better pitcher, but you would need to give up draft compensation to get him. I can't see the difference between Madson and Papelbon being to such a degree where it would be worth it to give up a high round draft pick. They're the same age and I would say roughly equal in terms of talent.

Unless the Phillies thought that highly of Papelbon as compared to Madson the deal didn't make sense the way Boars says it went down. Maybe they did, but I tend to believe the Phillies side of things, but again who knows what actually happened.

True, but won't they now get back a draft pick for Madson signing with the Reds?

[pmoehrin]

Yeah, he got Boras'd.

Who know what happened. Somebody is flat out lying.

Although I can't see how the Phillies could want Papelbon over Madson. Maybe they thought he was the better pitcher, but you would need to give up draft compensation to get him. I can't see the difference between Madson and Papelbon being to such a degree where it would be worth it to give up a high round draft pick. They're the same age and I would say roughly equal in terms of talent.

Unless the Phillies thought that highly of Papelbon as compared to Madson the deal didn't make sense the way Boars says it went down. Maybe they did, but I tend to believe the Phillies side of things, but again who knows what actually happened.

True, but won't they now get back a draft pick for Madson signing with the Reds?

They do get compensation but not as much as the Red Sox will get for Papelbon.

http://www.philly.co...?cmpid=15585797

Maybe that was worth the $6 million difference to the Phillies if you believe Boras, but I still don't see it. The value dropoff between a first round and a 1st and 2nd round sandwich pick is huge.

[NJTank]

Mets new marketing campaign

[TBGKon]

Rays sign Luke Scott.

http://tampabay.sbnation.com/tampa-bay-rays/2012/1/11/2700123/luke-scott-tampa-bay-rays-signs-one-year-deal

[FiddySicks]

Frankly, I think the Phillies were SO stupid for signing Papelbon over Madson considering the money and the compensation. IMO, Madson is a better pitcher and will last longer and will cost less. That whole deal, now that I see a little bit more of the specifics (money, draft picks, ect), just makes no sense to me. Philly will end up regretting this I think.

[BBTV]

Depending on who you believe, Madsen wasn't much (if any) cheaper at the time it all went down. If Boras was pricing him at Palelbpn's level, then they had to act and not take a chance of being left out in the cold. Of course now it's easy to see that they overpaid for papelbon and couldve waited, but that wasn't obvious at the time the deal was made.

[pmoehrin]

Bud Selig will be the commish through 2014 at least. (AKA nobody else wanted the job.)

There's also an article on ESPN about the possibility of an extra wild card team with a one game playoff which I would say has about a 90% disapproval rate from fans. Practically nobody likes this idea including myself. You can go back and forth forever over what playoff system should be used, but I think almost anyone that knows anything about baseball would agree that no team's fate should ever come down to one game if it can be helped. It just seems to be an idea coming directly from owners and TV networks trying to squeeze an extra buck out of an already bloated playoff system.

I myself don't mind the idea of an extra wild card team or two getting, but if your going to do that, put the LCS series back to five games, and make every series prior to that three.

If you go by that and add on two teams, your looking at a maximum of 40 playoff games being played. In the current system there are 41. That's enough games.

[NJTank]

Give the devil his due, Bud Selig has presided over the longest stretch of labor peace since the MLBPA was formed, if he wants to stay on he should.

[Fox]

Give the devil his due, Bud Selig has presided over the longest stretch of labor peace since the MLBPA was formed, if he wants to stay on he should.

It might be fair to say that he's now the best of the big 4 commissioners.

[mania]

He's avoided a labor situation in the last 20 years, but he also sat with his dick in his hand about steroids, stands against any expanded replay or umpire accountability, ruined the :censored:ing all star game, and is going to destroy amateur recruiting.

Whatever.

[Eye]

Depending on who you believe, Madsen wasn't much (if any) cheaper at the time it all went down. If Boras was pricing him at Palelbpn's level, then they had to act and not take a chance of being left out in the cold. Of course now it's easy to see that they overpaid for papelbon and couldve waited, but that wasn't obvious at the time the deal was made.

I thought the Phillies CLEARLY overpaid for Papelbon at the time of the signing, and this had nothing to do with Madson; it had to do with the fact that Papelbon isn't good.

[speedy]

Depending on who you believe, Madsen wasn't much (if any) cheaper at the time it all went down. If Boras was pricing him at Palelbpn's level, then they had to act and not take a chance of being left out in the cold. Of course now it's easy to see that they overpaid for papelbon and couldve waited, but that wasn't obvious at the time the deal was made.

I thought the Phillies CLEARLY overpaid for Papelbon at the time of the signing, and this had nothing to do with Madson; it had to do with the fact that Papelbon isn't good.

Agreed. He's on the downturn of his career, he can't simply blow guys away like he thinks he can. Maybe getting out of the AL will help, but I severely doubt it.

So now that Luke Scott will play 81 games in a dome does that mean I'll never have to see his douchey white frame, orange lens glasses again? Gotdamn it's a good day.

[BBTV]

Depending on who you believe, Madsen wasn't much (if any) cheaper at the time it all went down. If Boras was pricing him at Palelbpn's level, then they had to act and not take a chance of being left out in the cold. Of course now it's easy to see that they overpaid for papelbon and couldve waited, but that wasn't obvious at the time the deal was made.

I thought the Phillies CLEARLY overpaid for Papelbon at the time of the signing, and this had nothing to do with Madson; it had to do with the fact that Papelbon isn't good.

Well that's certainly a possibility (that he's not good anymore). I don't know, but I'll have to defer to RAJ about this because he's right more than he's wrong. It's certainly true that they overpaid, but at the moment they made the deal there were still closers out there and it seemed like the market was better. I'll never fault the team for being aggressive, as long as it doesn't tie their hands later on - and hell - they're hands aren't tied.

[NJTank]

Give the devil his due, Bud Selig has presided over the longest stretch of labor peace since the MLBPA was formed, if he wants to stay on he should.

It might be fair to say that he's now the best of the big 4 commissioners.

Considering his competition is an iron fisted dictator doing his best Joe Stalin, an idiot who thinks he is Joe Friday and a moron bent on destroying his sport that's not saying much.

[Brass]

Depending on who you believe, Madsen wasn't much (if any) cheaper at the time it all went down. If Boras was pricing him at Palelbpn's level, then they had to act and not take a chance of being left out in the cold. Of course now it's easy to see that they overpaid for papelbon and couldve waited, but that wasn't obvious at the time the deal was made.

I thought the Phillies CLEARLY overpaid for Papelbon at the time of the signing, and this had nothing to do with Madson; it had to do with the fact that Papelbon isn't good.

Agreed. He's on the downturn of his career, he can't simply blow guys away like he thinks he can. Maybe getting out of the AL will help, but I severely doubt it.

So now that Luke Scott will play 81 games in a dome does that mean I'll never have to see his douchey white frame, orange lens glasses again? Gotdamn it's a good day.

I also won't miss Papelbon's awful Dunkin' Donuts commercials, show-boating and douchebag "intense mound look".

[pmoehrin]

I can't knock Selig that much for the steroids issue. I don't think it was possible for one person could have gotten control over that situation as it was happening. Anyone who came out against the home run chase as it was happening was going to be crucified by the media. Had Selig done so I don't think he would have lasted as commissioner.

Morally if you want to knock him for it I would say that's acceptable but from a realistic perspective I really don't know what if anything he could have done by himself. In order for change to really take hold he was going to need alot of support from alot people that weren't going to give him any.

What I'll give him credit for is the amount of change he helped bring to the game through instant replay and getting the league to be more competitively balanced. Granted its not what it used to be, but when you consider he's had to go up against a union staunchly opposed against any type of a salary cap and a large group of owners staunchly opposed against any type of revenue sharing, I think he's done alot and I think your starting to see the fruits of his labor pay off. The size of your market and the success of your team I don't think is as correlated as it used to be five to six years ago. The spending gap has closed. We do not see as many teams acting essentially as farm teams for the big market clubs and in the coming years I think your going to see more and more of a fix of big and small market clubs having success.

What I will knock him for first and foremost was the fact that his family maintained ownership of the Brewers long into his tenure as commissioner which I would regard as a major conflict of interest. I don't know how you can have a commissioner with a direct financial incentive to get strike labors deals and the like in favor of one team. I also criticize the amount of power he and the rest of Major League Baseball has given to the major television networks as to what games they are allowed to show on TV. I think TBS does a great job of showcasing different teams, ESPN does a fair job, and FOX seems to only be interested in teams named the Yankees, Red Sox, Cardinals, Angels, Cubs, Mets and Phillies. If any of those teams aren't playing they could care less. I think the MLB really needs to put caps on the amount of times a match can be shown nationally at six times a year not including end of season games that could potentially decide playoff positions. That's at most a third of the games two teams can possibly play each other. The Saturday afternoon games FOX where you have multiple games going on the same time I'm not going to get upset over, but those National games need to be spread out better.