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What makes it doubly ironic is that that record will still be intact*, as molesting children who aren't recruits or student-athletes is beyond the scope of NCAA regulations.

Which... come to think of it... how is the athletic department covering up a crime not an NCAA violation? That makes zero sense. Then again, nothing the NCAA does makes sense anymore.

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What makes it doubly ironic is that that record will still be intact*, as molesting children who aren't recruits or student-athletes is beyond the scope of NCAA regulations.

Which... come to think of it... how is the athletic department covering up a crime not an NCAA violation? That makes zero sense. Then again, nothing the NCAA does makes sense anymore.

Crime is above the NCAA's paygrade to handle.

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Are you sure? It's one thing to bombast behind an computer screen, but if it was somebody you presumably looked up to doing this, who was also good friends with your boss, would you have done it?

I should like to think I would've had it in me to call 911.

Well, yeah, hence the "screwed up the aftermath" but I'm just kind of raising my eyebrow at the "I would have charged in, broke it up immediately and beat Sandusky within an inch of his life" sentiment.

Agreed. It's easy to say "I would have charged in, broke it up immediately and beat Sandusky within an inch of his life." But I have to think that most everyone would have at the very least asked "Um coach, what's going on here?" Do we really live in a world where we have to wonder whether or not we'd at least make an attempt to get the kid out of there? I could see McQuery running out and calling his Dad if he had walked in on Sandusky taking it to one of the players or coaches; in other words, another adult. The problem I have with it is that the guy saw a preteen kid getting sodomized by an old man and he said nothing. He did nothing.

I have to think that somewhere inside all of us lies the ability to overcome the shock, fear, and whatever else long enough to step in and do something try to remove the kid from the situation. I'm not saying McQuery should have gone Hollywood, spouted some great line, and went "medieval" on Sandusky. But for God's sake, do something. Anything. If nothing else, at least call the :censored:-ing campus police. I have to believe that most everyone would have at least made some sort of effort to at least stop the rape. I can't even begin to describe the lack of character it took for McQuery to turn around and walk away. And this guy is a "big tough" football coach?

Apologies for how disjointed this post seems to be. I'm having a tough time putting into words the combination of anger and bewilderment I'm feeling every time something new develops in this awful story.

The thing is, I'd imagine Sandusky would either have put up a physical fight or tried to flee if he were confronted. Either way, you'd pretty much have no other choice but to go medieval to stop him.

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One correction- that wasn't exactly the end. On his way back into the house, Paterno turned and gave the crowd a fist pump and yelled "Go, Penn State!"

Scumbag.

Un:censored:ingbelievable. JoePa makes me sick.

That can't be real.

If it IS real, then...oh my god.

http://deadspin.com/5858152/

I can't facepalm any harder.

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46 years at Penn State, and this is how JoePa goes out.....

Sad.

It is sad.

Not only is it shocking to see this headline: "Joe Paterno Fired"...but his cause of firing has to do with child molestation and not actual performance on the field.

He started coaching Penn State when my dad was 14 years old. That's incredible.

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46 years at Penn State, and this is how JoePa goes out.....

Sad.

It is sad.

Not only is it shocking to see this headline: "Joe Paterno Fired"...but his cause of firing has to do with child molestation and not actual performance on the field.

He started coaching Penn State when my dad was 14 years old. That's incredible.

It's not because of what he did, it's because of what he didn't do, or what he could have done.

JoePa is not a target of the criminal investigation. Could he have done more? Yes. Did it cost him his job? Clearly it has. But I think the whole "he's a pathetic excuse for a human being" is going a bit far.

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46 years at Penn State, and this is how JoePa goes out.....

Sad.

It is sad.

Not only is it shocking to see this headline: "Joe Paterno Fired"...but his cause of firing has to do with child molestation and not actual performance on the field.

He started coaching Penn State when my dad was 14 years old. That's incredible.

It's not because of what he did, it's because of what he didn't do, or what he could have done.

JoePa is not a target of the criminal investigation. Could he have done more? Yes. Did it cost him his job? Clearly it has. But I think the whole "he's a pathetic excuse for a human being" is going a bit far.

Yeah, JoePa is more akin to the elderly driver who's been losing his faculties, but no one could bring themselves to take his keys away until he caused a flaming fatal wreck.

Still trying to get confirmation of SiriusXM College Sports Nation's claim that the seniors are boycotting Saturday's game.

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Agreed. It's easy to say "I would have charged in, broke it up immediately and beat Sandusky within an inch of his life." But I have to think that most everyone would have at the very least asked "Um coach, what's going on here?" Do we really live in a world where we have to wonder whether or not we'd at least make an attempt to get the kid out of there? I could see McQuery running out and calling his Dad if he had walked in on Sandusky taking it to one of the players or coaches; in other words, another adult. The problem I have with it is that the guy saw a preteen kid getting sodomized by an old man and he said nothing. He did nothing.

I have to think that somewhere inside all of us lies the ability to overcome the shock, fear, and whatever else long enough to step in and do something try to remove the kid from the situation. I'm not saying McQuery should have gone Hollywood, spouted some great line, and went "medieval" on Sandusky. But for God's sake, do something. Anything. If nothing else, at least call the :censored:-ing campus police. I have to believe that most everyone would have at least made some sort of effort to at least stop the rape. I can't even begin to describe the lack of character it took for McQuery to turn around and walk away. And this guy is a "big tough" football coach?

Apologies for how disjointed this post seems to be. I'm having a tough time putting into words the combination of anger and bewilderment I'm feeling every time something new develops in this awful story.

People are not perfect. And if he'd run away and panicked about what he should do for 10 minutes, an hour or whatever, I'd still call it an error in judgement, but he could have called the cops then. Yeah he'd still deserve some negative press, but at least he'd have done the right thing after "pulling himself together". Instead he was never going to say a word. I don't get it. How could you go to sleep that night, or any night thereafter, without doing what you can to make sure it does not happen again.

Ultimately the right thing to do is to stop it and I totally agree with this post. You don't have to try to beat the hell out of him. Just say "uh, Jerry, whatcha doing." Jerry's reaction would be to stop and run or try to make up some phony lie...and let him run. You've got the kid; call the cops and let the justice system go to work. There's no telling how many future victims that would have saved.

Not firing McQueary shows that the decision to fire Paterno was a response to pressure and that these remaining football games come first. They fired their figurehead...So what if you're a coach down? So what?

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Ultimately the right thing to do is to stop it and I totally agree with this post. You don't have to try to beat the hell out of him. Just say "uh, Jerry, whatcha doing." Jerry's reaction would be to stop and run or try to make up some phony lie...and let him run. You've got the kid; call the cops and let the justice system go to work. There's no telling how many future victims that would have saved.

If you let him run, what's to say he won't run right into Paterno's arms, tell him you went crazy and attacked him in a shower? Even if you then called the cops and it went to a trial, it would be your word vs. Paterno's. It might as well be your word vs. God's. Then you'd be the one who's screwed while Sandusky gets off scot-free again.

As the saying goes, dead men tell no tales.

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It's all been said. Joe had to go. The riots are ridiculous. Really all that's being said is ridiculous.

The thing that is most absurd to me and needs to be brought up again, how in the :censored: is McQueary still employed? Out of all the guys that got fired, how was McQueary not one of them? I've got to hope he'll be dealt with in due process. I can only think people are lettign him off the hook because he was a "scared kid" or something ridiculous. But seriously, if McQueary had done what was right this whole thing would have never happened. How is he still employed, but the others who are accessory to the whole thing are fired? I don't get it.

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It's all been said. Joe had to go. The riots are ridiculous. Really all that's being said is ridiculous.

I'll put it this way. Like at most major American universities, the undergraduate population is essentially some island tribe from a cultural standpoint. And the Penn State Board of Trustees just killed their God. Why anybody is surprised at the reaction is beyond me.

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46 years at Penn State, and this is how JoePa goes out.....

Sad.

It is sad.

Not only is it shocking to see this headline: "Joe Paterno Fired"...but his cause of firing has to do with child molestation and not actual performance on the field.

He started coaching Penn State when my dad was 14 years old. That's incredible.

It's not because of what he did, it's because of what he didn't do, or what he could have done.

JoePa is not a target of the criminal investigation. Could he have done more? Yes. Did it cost him his job? Clearly it has. But I think the whole "he's a pathetic excuse for a human being" is going a bit far.

Yeah at this point, I agree. It's getting a bit ridiculous. He made an absolutely crippling mistake that was absolutely inexcusable, but I think that things need to calm down a bit because at this point rage is driving this whole thing and IMO it's kind of getting in the way of rationality. Paterno in the very least should get that. Not because he deserves it, but because it's the right thing to do.

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It's all been said. Joe had to go. The riots are ridiculous. Really all that's being said is ridiculous.

I'll put it this way. Like at most major American universities, the undergraduate population is essentially some island tribe from a cultural standpoint. And the Penn State Board of Trustees just killed their God. Why anybody is surprised at the reaction is beyond me.

I mean I knew there would be some big reaction, simply based on the way the students acted yesterday. But this simply got out of hand.

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Also, Penn State fan friend on Facebook:

"I'm completely outraged right now!!!! Joe Pa thank you for a wonderful 62 years of service. You will be missed dearly : ( penn state and college football won't be the same without you </3"

I want to ask what exactly she's outraged about and try to call her out on it, but 1) I know the answers I'm gonna get and 2) I don't even talk to her all that much, so no need to go causing a ruckus :P

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It's all been said. Joe had to go. The riots are ridiculous. Really all that's being said is ridiculous.

The thing that is most absurd to me and needs to be brought up again, how in the :censored: is McQueary still employed? Out of all the guys that got fired, how was McQueary not one of them? I've got to hope he'll be dealt with in due process. I can only think people are lettign him off the hook because he was a "scared kid" or something ridiculous. But seriously, if McQueary had done what was right this whole thing would have never happened. How is he still employed, but the others who are accessory to the whole thing are fired? I don't get it.

It's already been noted on CFT that interim head coach Tom Bradley was also on Paterno's staff in 2002, meaning Bradley's own fitness to coach this team is suspect. But if they fired all of Paterno's assistants of suspect fitness, they wouldn't have enough left for the team to play out the season. So, they're stuck with Bradley, McQueary and the rest for the balance of the season.

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It's all been said. Joe had to go. The riots are ridiculous. Really all that's being said is ridiculous.

The thing that is most absurd to me and needs to be brought up again, how in the :censored: is McQueary still employed? Out of all the guys that got fired, how was McQueary not one of them? I've got to hope he'll be dealt with in due process. I can only think people are lettign him off the hook because he was a "scared kid" or something ridiculous. But seriously, if McQueary had done what was right this whole thing would have never happened. How is he still employed, but the others who are accessory to the whole thing are fired? I don't get it.

It's already been noted on CFT that interim head coach Tom Bradley was also on Paterno's staff in 2002, meaning Bradley's own fitness to coach this team is suspect. But if they fired all of Paterno's assistants of suspect fitness, they wouldn't have enough left for the team to play out the season. So, they're stuck with Bradley, McQueary and the rest for the balance of the season.

I see that, but I'd think at the very least they'd get rid of McQueary who closer to the crux of this whole thing than most. You don't (or can't) fire the whole staff right now, but I'd have thought Paterno and McQueary were musts.

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