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If I'm a Penn State fan and I have tickets to the game against Nebraska, there's no way I'm going to the game on Saturday.

Wait... Are you saying that cheering on Penn State is the equivalent of supporting child molestation?

I cannot say what I'd do. But there are players who are working just as hard as other players at other schools. These players are playing for a Rose Bowl (in theory anyway) and are worthy of being cheered on. I don't see a problem with going to the game and cheering for them.

On the other hand if Paterno, McQueery, and any others named are still on the sidelines, I can see wanting to protest that.

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Paterno's out, as per the New York Times. Fare thee well, enabler of pedophilia.

Let's only hope that the "golden parachute" which Paterno will receive will pale in comparison to the compensation those who Sandusky abused while on campus will receive. They are working on his payout now, but someone still needs to speak even if it is the governor.

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If I'm a Penn State fan and I have tickets to the game against Nebraska, there's no way I'm going to the game on Saturday.

Wait... Are you saying that cheering on Penn State is the equivalent of supporting child molestation?

It's not equivalent as the players on the field didn't rape any little kids, but I'd have a really hard time supporting the program that allowed this to happen.

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To borrow a phrase from Tim McCarver... How did this happen?

EDIT: Just saw a story on SI.com that says Sandusky was on campus last week.

And THAT is why I don't think there's any excuse to make for JoePa...He kept coming on campus (working with kids) and Paterno (at best) just pushed the allegations to the back of his mind.

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If we agree that the university had a moral responsibility to remove Sandusky and protect children against potential rape, can we extend that further to the NCAA and Big Ten having a responsibility to dissociating themselves from a university that, with support at the highest levels, provided cover to a child predator for more than a decade?

I keep hearing that the NCAA has no jurisdiction in a criminal case, but isn't the argument against Paterno that simply abiding by technicalities in the face of a moral absolute unacceptable? Shouldn't some institution take the difficult stand that those who support child predators have no place in college athletics, ticket sales and TV deals be damned?

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I think we'll see a TON of victims come out of the woodwork as time goes on and this story gets bigger. Some of those poor kids who were robbed of their innocence and dignity by this disgusting cretin are going to step forward, emboldened in knowing that every piece of testimony against him tears down this system of enablers/protectors of the brand a little bit more.

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If we agree that the university had a moral responsibility to remove Sandusky and protect children against potential rape, can we extend that further to the NCAA and Big Ten having a responsibility to dissociating themselves from a university that, with support at the highest levels, provided cover to a child predator for more than a decade?

I keep hearing that the NCAA has no jurisdiction in a criminal case, but isn't the argument against Paterno that simply abiding by technicalities in the face of a moral absolute unacceptable? Shouldn't some institution take the difficult stand that those who support child predators have no place in college athletics, ticket sales and TV deals be damned?

The NCAA manual has three separate sections which could/ but in this case DO NOT apply to Paterno, PSU president Spanier, or the other indicted PSU employees. Essentially, the manual's sections on Institutional Control (Article 6); Ethical Conduct (Article 10), and Conduct and Employment of Athletics Personnel (Article 11) only apply to the student-athlete.

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Well technically, isn't reporting up the chain of command what you're supposed to do? It gets back to what I posted - he did the "by the book" correct thing, so he's (at least legally) off the hook. However, while he technically went up the chain, ultimately he has more power and influence than those above him, so he should've gone to the authorities himself - or at least followed up with the AD.

(I realize that there is likely an answer out there to this already)

Speaking from inside the public school system, I don't know specifically what the requirements are outside of the PSS, but inside, if at any time there is the suspicion of abuse of any kind, it is the individuals responsibility to record and report to Children's Aid directly. We are susposed to notify our principals of what is happening, but as the person with the suspicion or making a discovery, they are bound by law to report to CAS and the matter is handled by them from there, with possible further involvement required by the individual who initiated the call.

That's speaking from the Canadian System however. I have no clue if the U.S. system has a different protocol for documenting and reporting allegations of abuse

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Paterno's out, as per the New York Times. Fare thee well, enabler of pedophilia.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7207730/penn-state-nittany-lions-call-joe-paterno-news-conference

Yep. Looks like it's the end for Paterno. Only reason I can see that he'd give in is if he did in fact know more and "enabled" more than just the one incident. Better to step down now than have the rest of his complicity come out. Let that be a lesson to everyone, that everyone in college football is corrupt in some way or another, even the "good guys".

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If we agree that the university had a moral responsibility to remove Sandusky and protect children against potential rape, can we extend that further to the NCAA and Big Ten having a responsibility to dissociating themselves from a university that, with support at the highest levels, provided cover to a child predator for more than a decade?

I keep hearing that the NCAA has no jurisdiction in a criminal case, but isn't the argument against Paterno that simply abiding by technicalities in the face of a moral absolute unacceptable? Shouldn't some institution take the difficult stand that those who support child predators have no place in college athletics, ticket sales and TV deals be damned?

The NCAA manual has three separate sections which could/ but in this case DO NOT apply to Paterno, PSU president Spanier, or the other indicted PSU employees. Essentially, the manual's sections on Institutional Control (Article 6); Ethical Conduct (Article 10), and Conduct and Employment of Athletics Personnel (Article 11) only apply to the student-athlete.

That's my point. Should they abridge their technicalities in light of this extraordinary situation. No school that institutionally enables pedophilia should be allowed to participate in intercollegiate athletics.

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I wouldn't want a uni change. Unless the situation explodes and everyone is implemented and found guilty, etc.

I assume you meant "indicted"? And so far haven't the AD and a school VP already been indicted? JoPa is being forced to retire. And of course the biggest blow the former D coordinator is a pervert of the highest order. Seems to me the situation has "exploded." It would do Penn State well to disassociate themselves as quickly and thoroughly as possible from the last 46 years. That would include new unis, new helmets, new coaching staff from the ground up, demolishing the locker rooms where the acts too place...

And they're not dumping JoPa just to save face. They're dumping him because he knew about this behavior and continued to enable it for at least a decade now. Sandusky was on campus last week for christsakes. JoPa lost any claim of being the best coach ever, he's just a child molester enabler now with a lot of wins.

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Paterno's out, as per the New York Times. Fare thee well, enabler of pedophilia.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7207730/penn-state-nittany-lions-call-joe-paterno-news-conference

Yep. Looks like it's the end for Paterno. Only reason I can see that he'd give in is if he did in fact know more and "enabled" more than just the one incident. Better to step down now than have the rest of his complicity come out. Let that be a lesson to everyone, that everyone in college football is corrupt in some way or another, even the "good guys".

I think everybody can agree that the major money machines in college football are in some way or another completely corrupt, but this kind of insanity that permeates every level of authority in a town built on it's team is more than just corrupt - it's terrifying.

I don't think anything will ever compare to this in the long run, it's hard to look much worse than this. I'm still amazed/horrified the more I read about this whole thing, and yet we're just at the tip of the iceberg.

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