Say it ain't so, Joe

[CS85]

I'll give the university credit. They're doing more than I thought they would be phasing Paterno's name out of organizations and the like, but they need to do more. I don't know what they're waiting for, but I have a great solution:

Don't destroy the Paterno statue. Relocate it. Where?

The showers where Sandusky raped all those kids. PSU has already said they're devoting a gross sum of money to renovate that shower (a PR move to literally remove the memories), but I think that bigass Paterno statue would look great right there in the middle of it. That way his likeness can spend the rest of eternity watching out for what he claimed never to see.

[bosrs1]

Yeah at least some of the student organizations haven't drunk the coolaid. They've renamed the "Paternoville" tent city to "Nittanyville" today. And Brown (Paterno's alma mater) has taken his name off a couple of things in the last few days and is considering expelling him from their hall of fame.

[Dexter Morgan]

I'll give the university credit. They're doing more than I thought they would be phasing Paterno's name out of organizations and the like, but they need to do more. I don't know what they're waiting for, but I have a great solution:

Don't destroy the Paterno statue. Relocate it. Where?

The showers where Sandusky raped all those kids. PSU has already said they're devoting a gross sum of money to renovate that shower (a PR move to literally remove the memories), but I think that bigass Paterno statue would look great right there in the middle of it. That way his likeness can spend the rest of eternity watching out for what he claimed never to see.

other than firing him, what have they done?

[CS85]

other than firing him, what have they done?

Yeah at least some of the student organizations haven't drunk the coolaid. They've renamed the "Paternoville" tent city to "Nittanyville" today. And Brown (Paterno's alma mater) has taken his name off a couple of things in the last few days and is considering expelling him from their hall of fame.

[Punch]

I'll give the university credit. They're doing more than I thought they would be phasing Paterno's name out of organizations and the like, but they need to do more. I don't know what they're waiting for, but I have a great solution:

Don't destroy the Paterno statue. Relocate it. Where?

The showers where Sandusky raped all those kids. PSU has already said they're devoting a gross sum of money to renovate that shower (a PR move to literally remove the memories), but I think that bigass Paterno statue would look great right there in the middle of it. That way his likeness can spend the rest of eternity watching out for what he claimed never to see.

That wouldn't be the first time people would be forced to shower while an oily, bronzed figure watches over them.

But honestly, I think that is a terrible idea.

[OnWis97]

On 7/17/2012 at 2:39 PM, BringBackTheVet said:

On 7/17/2012 at 2:19 PM, Ice_Cap said:

On 7/17/2012 at 1:28 PM, njmeadowlanders said:

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/sports/joe-paterno-statue-penn-state-airplane-banner-reads-tear-down-the-statue-or-we-will

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A small plane flew around the Penn State campus on Tuesday carrying a banner that read, "Take Down the Statue or We Will," a reference to the statue of former head football coach Joe Paterno that sits outside Beaver Stadium.

 

I'm all for taking it down but if whatever group is behind this wants to crash a plane into it that would not be a good decision. Or anything less radical. Vandalism is still vandalism.

 

Honestly, I want the statue to be vandalised. Obviously I don't want anyone to crash a plane into it, but it deserves to be defaced via less suicidal means.

 

Vandalizing it would only empower the Joepologists. Just like every inbred yahoo who still talks of Him as a saint makes the entire Penn state "nation" look bad, the opposite would be true if the "right" side resorted to "wrong" tactics.

It's hypocrisy to protest against one person who committed crimes by lmmittibg one yourself, even if the nature of the crimes is markedly different

 

I'll add another reason I hope it does not get vandalized. I want to see whether PSU will go through the proper channels and get rid of it. Obviously there is going to be some process; you cannot get rid of it right now without it being a mob act. They have already taken a step toward doubt about removing it. So be it. That statue will serve as a symbol of how the University feels about Joe and the entire fiasco. Do I think they should take it down? Of course. But it's not my place to say. If they go through their meetings and votes and it remains up, well that tells us all we need to know about PSU leadership's commitment to making it better. I honestly wish anyone that is not part of the PSU leadership would keep quiet and watch to see what they do (i.e., that they do or don't do the right thing without public pressure).

[infrared41]

The NCAA could literally (yes, literally) carpet bomb Penn State back to the stone age and it still wouldn't be enough for some of the people participating in this thread. If the NCAA decides that Penn State shuts it down for a year, certain people will be on here complaining because it wasn't two years. If it's two years, they'll be complaining that it wasn't five. And so on...

Just an opinion...

Is that not fair? considering the actions or non-actions of the university? I don't think so.

It's not about fair or unfair, and it's certainly not about Penn State's behavior (we already know they've blown this in every way imaginable), it's about being ridiculous. Considering the fact that the Freeh report is about two weeks old, that details are still coming out, and that the situation is literally unprecedented, people screeching about how certain they are that the NCAA won't act is simply ridiculous. All I'm saying let's give this some time before we round up the mob and start stoning people at the city gates.

As I said earlier, if we're having this same conversation in September, I'll happily throw the first rock.

[njmeadowlanders]

The NCAA could literally (yes, literally) carpet bomb Penn State back to the stone age and it still wouldn't be enough for some of the people participating in this thread. If the NCAA decides that Penn State shuts it down for a year, certain people will be on here complaining because it wasn't two years. If it's two years, they'll be complaining that it wasn't five. And so on...

Just an opinion...

Is that not fair? considering the actions or non-actions of the university? I don't think so.

It's not about fair or unfair, and it's certainly not about Penn State's behavior (we already know they've blown this in every way imaginable), it's about being ridiculous. Considering the fact that the Freeh report is about two weeks old, that details are still coming out, and that the situation is literally unprecedented, people screeching about how certain they are that the NCAA won't act is simply ridiculous. All I'm saying let's give this some time before we round up the mob and start stoning people at the city gates.

As I said earlier, if we're having this same conversation in September, I'll happily throw the first rock.

Let he who hast not raped children cast the first stone!

[bosrs1]

The NCAA could literally (yes, literally) carpet bomb Penn State back to the stone age and it still wouldn't be enough for some of the people participating in this thread. If the NCAA decides that Penn State shuts it down for a year, certain people will be on here complaining because it wasn't two years. If it's two years, they'll be complaining that it wasn't five. And so on...

Just an opinion...

Is that not fair? considering the actions or non-actions of the university? I don't think so.

It's not about fair or unfair, and it's certainly not about Penn State's behavior (we already know they've blown this in every way imaginable), it's about being ridiculous. Considering the fact that the Freeh report is about two weeks old, that details are still coming out, and that the situation is literally unprecedented, people screeching about how certain they are that the NCAA won't act is simply ridiculous. All I'm saying let's give this some time before we round up the mob and start stoning people at the city gates.

As I said earlier, if we're having this same conversation in September, I'll happily throw the first rock.

Let he who hast not raped children cast the first stone!

*Several billion people reach down to pick up a rock*

[BBTV]

Frankly, I find the reaction some have had against this whole situation to be nearly as disappointing as the issue itself.

The NCAA could literally (yes, literally) carpet bomb Penn State back to the stone age and it still wouldn't be enough for some of the people participating in this thread. If the NCAA decides that Penn State shuts it down for a year, certain people will be on here complaining because it wasn't two years. If it's two years, they'll be complaining that it wasn't five. And so on...

There are some long-tenured, well respected (formerly-well respected by me, anyway) posters who I feel have used this thread to stoop to the same levels as the trolls they berate everywhere else by (IMO) intentionally posting exaggerated opinions of all of the people involved, and making sweeping generalizations, either to display a "holier than thou" persona, or (more accurately, IMO) get a rise out of people and bait people into disagreeing so they can be attacked. Well, at least one, anyway. Not either of you that I'm quoting, FWIW.

[FiddySicks]

Frankly, I find the reaction some have had against this whole situation to be nearly as disappointing as the issue itself.

The NCAA could literally (yes, literally) carpet bomb Penn State back to the stone age and it still wouldn't be enough for some of the people participating in this thread. If the NCAA decides that Penn State shuts it down for a year, certain people will be on here complaining because it wasn't two years. If it's two years, they'll be complaining that it wasn't five. And so on...

There are some long-tenured, well respected (formerly-well respected by me, anyway) posters who I feel have used this thread to stoop to the same levels as the trolls they berate everywhere else by (IMO) intentionally posting exaggerated opinions of all of the people involved, and making sweeping generalizations, either to display a "holier than thou" persona, or (more accurately, IMO) get a rise out of people and bait people into disagreeing so they can be attacked. Well, at least one, anyway. Not either of you that I'm quoting, FWIW.

Couldn't agree more. And like I said earlier, I understand being absolutely disgusted by the situation. It's child rape, if you weren't disgusted by it there's something severely wrong with you. But this mob mentality some have displayed (and frankly it's not as bad here as I've seen it elsewhere, but it's still pretty bad) is in such poor taste that it's just sad. I don't understand why people feel the need to wave their anti child rape banner as heavily as they have. The opposition to it should pretty much go without saying. Let the consequences come in due time through the proper legal means. Encouraging unlawful acts to counter this is just as illogical as Jerry Sandusky's mindset IMO.

[bosrs1]

Frankly, I find the reaction some have had against this whole situation to be nearly as disappointing as the issue itself.

The NCAA could literally (yes, literally) carpet bomb Penn State back to the stone age and it still wouldn't be enough for some of the people participating in this thread. If the NCAA decides that Penn State shuts it down for a year, certain people will be on here complaining because it wasn't two years. If it's two years, they'll be complaining that it wasn't five. And so on...

There are some long-tenured, well respected (formerly-well respected by me, anyway) posters who I feel have used this thread to stoop to the same levels as the trolls they berate everywhere else by (IMO) intentionally posting exaggerated opinions of all of the people involved, and making sweeping generalizations, either to display a "holier than thou" persona, or (more accurately, IMO) get a rise out of people and bait people into disagreeing so they can be attacked. Well, at least one, anyway. Not either of you that I'm quoting, FWIW.

Couldn't agree more. And like I said earlier, I understand being absolutely disgusted by the situation. It's child rape, if you weren't disgusted by it there's something severely wrong with you. But this mob mentality some have displayed (and frankly it's not as bad here as I've seen it elsewhere, but it's still pretty bad) is in such poor taste that it's just sad. I don't understand why people feel the need to wave their anti child rape banner as heavily as they have. The opposition to it should pretty much go without saying. Let the consequences come in due time through the proper legal means. Encouraging unlawful acts to counter this is just as illogical as Jerry Sandusky's mindset IMO.

I think the reason you are seeing such a harsh response to this beyond just the disgust with what happened (since this is unquestionably the most disturbing sports related scandal in US history), is because there are so many people coming to Paterno's defense either directly or through inaction. The more people try to mitigate or apologize for the unforgivable, the more other people will call for those parties heads.

[rams80]

I dunno, mitigating and apologizing seems to have worked out reasonably well for the Catholic Church. Just so long as banks are willing to loan the church the money to pay off its legal settlements.

[bosrs1]

I dunno, mitigating and apologizing seems to have worked out reasonably well for the Catholic Church. Just so long as banks are willing to loan the church the money to pay off its legal settlements.

It has? Last I checked most Catholics are still pissed at the Church with its handling of their scandal, with attendance down at mass on average between 15 and 40% across much of the globe including here in the US. And the losses haven't stopped. In fact only 42% of American Catholics even go to Mass anymore which is down 11% from 2000 (and one of the big reasons is the church's loss of moral authority due to the scandal.

You think Penn State sees even a 15% attendance drop this year?

[BBTV]

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1342554557' post='1846169']Frankly, I find the reaction some have had against this whole situation to be nearly as disappointing as the issue itself.

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The NCAA could literally (yes, literally) carpet bomb Penn State back to the stone age and it still wouldn't be enough for some of the people participating in this thread. If the NCAA decides that Penn State shuts it down for a year, certain people will be on here complaining because it wasn't two years. If it's two years, they'll be complaining that it wasn't five. And so on...

There are some long-tenured, well respected (formerly-well respected by me, anyway) posters who I feel have used this thread to stoop to the same levels as the trolls they berate everywhere else by (IMO) intentionally posting exaggerated opinions of all of the people involved, and making sweeping generalizations, either to display a "holier than thou" persona, or (more accurately, IMO) get a rise out of people and bait people into disagreeing so they can be attacked. Well, at least one, anyway. Not either of you that I'm quoting, FWIW.

Couldn't agree more. And like I said earlier, I understand being absolutely disgusted by the situation. It's child rape, if you weren't disgusted by it there's something severely wrong with you. But this mob mentality some have displayed (and frankly it's not as bad here as I've seen it elsewhere, but it's still pretty bad) is in such poor taste that it's just sad. I don't understand why people feel the need to wave their anti child rape banner as heavily as they have. The opposition to it should pretty much go without saying. Let the consequences come in due time through the proper legal means. Encouraging unlawful acts to counter this is just as illogical as Jerry Sandusky's mindset IMO.

I think the reason you are seeing such a harsh response to this beyond just the disgust with what happened (since this is unquestionably the most disturbing sports related scandal in US history), is because there are so many people coming to Paterno's defense either directly or through inaction. The more people try to mitigate or apologize for the unforgivable, the more other people will call for those parties heads.

There's rightful outrage, which we all feel, and then there's one-upsmanship and trolling. Everyone needs to prove that they're more outraged than the next person, and one member is just sounding absolutely comically silly. It hasn't been that bad lately, but for a while it was tough to read the thread.

[IceCap]

There are some long-tenured, well respected (formerly-well respected by me, anyway) posters who I feel have used this thread to stoop to the same levels as the trolls they berate everywhere else by (IMO) intentionally posting exaggerated opinions of all of the people involved, and making sweeping generalizations, either to display a "holier than thou" persona, or (more accurately, IMO) get a rise out of people and bait people into disagreeing so they can be attacked. Well, at least one, anyway.

Couldn't agree more. And like I said earlier, I understand being absolutely disgusted by the situation. It's child rape, if you weren't disgusted by it there's something severely wrong with you. But this mob mentality some have displayed (and frankly it's not as bad here as I've seen it elsewhere, but it's still pretty bad) is in such poor taste that it's just sad. I don't understand why people feel the need to wave their anti child rape banner as heavily as they have. The opposition to it should pretty much go without saying. Let the consequences come in due time through the proper legal means. Encouraging unlawful acts to counter this is just as illogical as Jerry Sandusky's mindset IMO.

Thank G-d we have you two to be the moral compass of the board.

Now Vet, Bucsfan, do I want a rise out of people? No, I don't. I'd prefer it if every "JOPA!" brainwashed rube just went away, to be honest. I have no desire to debate them. You're certainly free to question my motives, or any other poster's motives, but if you're going to do that you run the risk of missing the mark completely, and you have here, at least as it relates to myself. Of course child rape is disgusting, and of course one's opposition to it should be automatic. Yet it is the very fact that disgust is not automatic in this case that is bringing out the rage here.

JoPa apologists still refuse to see their surrogate grandpa in anything but a positive light, some even blaming Sandusky's victims for the damage his legacy has taken. You're right Bucsfan, we should be revolted by child rape by default. The fact that some of us are not automatically disgusted, however, warrants an angry response.

I'm not doing it to bait those rubes. If you think doing it gives me a "holier than thou" attitude, well I'll accept that. If someone's still defending the enabler of a fricken child rapist, then I'll accept being labelled "holier than thou" if/when I call that person out on their messed up priorities.

And to suggested that to be angry about this puts one in the same mindset as Jerry Sandusky, said serial child rapist? At best THAT'S your example of attempted baiting. At worst it's just a messed up statement.

[BBTV]

There are some long-tenured, well respected (formerly-well respected by me, anyway) posters who I feel have used this thread to stoop to the same levels as the trolls they berate everywhere else by (IMO) intentionally posting exaggerated opinions of all of the people involved, and making sweeping generalizations, either to display a "holier than thou" persona, or (more accurately, IMO) get a rise out of people and bait people into disagreeing so they can be attacked. Well, at least one, anyway.

Couldn't agree more. And like I said earlier, I understand being absolutely disgusted by the situation. It's child rape, if you weren't disgusted by it there's something severely wrong with you. But this mob mentality some have displayed (and frankly it's not as bad here as I've seen it elsewhere, but it's still pretty bad) is in such poor taste that it's just sad. I don't understand why people feel the need to wave their anti child rape banner as heavily as they have. The opposition to it should pretty much go without saying. Let the consequences come in due time through the proper legal means. Encouraging unlawful acts to counter this is just as illogical as Jerry Sandusky's mindset IMO.

Thank G-d we have you two to be the moral compass of the board.

Now Vet, Bucsfan, do I want a rise out of people? No, I don't. I'd prefer it if every "JOPA!" brainwashed rube just went away, to be honest. I have no desire to debate them. You're certainly free to question my motives, or any other poster's motives, but if you're going to do that you run the risk of missing the mark completely, and you have here, at least as it relates to myself. Of course child rape is disgusting, and of course one's opposition to it should be automatic. Yet it is the very fact that disgust is not automatic in this case that is bringing out the rage here.

JoPa apologists still refuse to see their surrogate grandpa in anything but a positive light, some even blaming Sandusky's victims for the damage his legacy has taken. You're right Bucsfan, we should be revolted by child rape by default. The fact that some of us are not automatically disgusted, however, warrants an angry response.

I'm not doing it to bait those rubes. If you think doing it gives me a "holier than thou" attitude, well I'll accept that. If someone's still defending the enabler of a fricken child rapist, then I'll accept being labelled "holier than thou" if/when I call that person out on their messed up priorities.

And to suggested that to be angry about this puts one in the same mindset as Jerry Sandusky, said serial child rapist? At best THAT'S your example of attempted baiting. At worst it's just a messed up statement.

I'm not talking about you. I disagree with your views as far as vandalizing the statue goes, but that's about it.

[IceCap]

Well I still felt the need to say something. I think in this case it gets very hard to tell where genuine anger ends and one-upsmanship begins. Like I said, I agree with Bucsfan. We should all be outraged by child rape by default. It's visceral, engrained in us. Which is exactly why I feel the anger is both so intense, and why it's justified. Despite it being something we're all automatically opposed to, some of us aren't.

You have this act that we're all revolted by. Yet we see these people blaming victims and wanting to give a rapist's enabler a free pass because of, ultimately, sports. When you have people stepping out of the woodwork to defend someone connected with an act we all agree is revolting on a very base level it makes the outrage, which was already going to be palatable, be that much more intense. That's what leads to the mob mentality. Now of course you have people who will try to one-up someone else, and that's where things get disingenuous, and I'm sure it's happened here. I'm just saying that given the level of anger, due to the nature of the situation, it's hard to necessarily find. A lot of people are rightfully very angry about this. Trying to sort all of that out is difficult.

As for the statue thing, it goes back to that visceral reaction. Jerry Sandusky victimised children for over a decade (at the least) and there's a statue up celebrating the tenure of the man who could have saved those kids but didn't?

Now I don't want to see a gang war over the damn statue, and I certainly don't want anyone to crash a vehicle into it. It's just that if one day it was discovered that it had been torn down during the night, and no one was harmed, I'd have a hard time caring about the property damage sustained by PSU.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[The_Admiral]

I like this guessing game. Is it I who have gone too far? Or is it has gone too far? Uh oh. I'm really in a pickle here.

[DG_ThenNowForever]

I'd like to know who these "Joepoligists" are everyone's so inflamed about. I don't see any of them around these parts.