Cujo Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Remember when Notre Dame used to break out the green jerseys for IMPORTANT GAMES ONLY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lights Out Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Remember when Notre Dame actually used to play in important games? POTD: 2/4/12 3/4/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cujo Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Remember when Notre Dame actually used to play in important games?I don't believe my memory goes that far back. Actaully, I remember the game they had hosting USC about five or six years ago, and how fired up they got, breakin out the green jerseys, and the pep rally with all the Notre Dame legends -- killed entirely by the "Bush Push". the Irish have been on life-support ever since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powersurge Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 wait....is this an argument/discussion about whether or not face masks are a true part of the overall identity? or is it a discussion of HOW they fit in an identity? IMHO, there is no way in hell you can't include the face mask in the identity. Its much more than an equipment piece. If we are talking about chin straps or mouth pieces then thats one thing, but in terms of a face mask it is totally a part of the overall identity and should be totally considered in the the final design. There are more than enough examples of how face masks influence the overall look of a uniform set. Just look at the NE Patriots....change their face mask color and you totally change the entire look. change the chin strap or mouth piece and nobody notices.That's exactly what I'm saying. The popular opinion is that a grey facemask means a team wasn't trying, or phoned it in, or just wanted to look retro when they redesigned. But the facemask color plays a huge part in how the brand and attitude of the team is perceived. My point is that grey works for anyone, but it changes the fabric of your brand to the point that the rest of your uniform needs to follow suit with that classic, true football aesthetic. The only point I've been trying to make is that there's nothing inherently wrong or sinful about a grey mask, and I've provided plentiful examples to reinforce that thinking from both sides of the fence. It's like a grey road uniform in baseball. It's part of history, it's neutral and it works with everyone's color scheme. Some teams like a more modern, colorful look, but grey still works if your brand supports it. The same is true for a facemask.I'm actually really glad you wrote this. It clarifies what you were trying to say. I obviously didn't get your point. The grey face mask is indeed classic and like you said "it changes the fabric of your brand to the point that the rest of your uniform needs to follow suit with that classic, true football aesthetic". I totally agree with that, which is why I totally hate the fact that the Arizona Cardinals utilize a grey face mask. It goes totally against the modern design of their uniform. You can almost draw a direct comparison to pin stripes in baseball. They instantly bring a certain classic look to a jersey. The problem is that NOT all teams should use pinstripes. As a matter of fact I wish fewer did. I see you point now and I have to admit I totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandMooreArt Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 wait....is this an argument/discussion about whether or not face masks are a true part of the overall identity? or is it a discussion of HOW they fit in an identity? IMHO, there is no way in hell you can't include the face mask in the identity. Its much more than an equipment piece. If we are talking about chin straps or mouth pieces then thats one thing, but in terms of a face mask it is totally a part of the overall identity and should be totally considered in the the final design. There are more than enough examples of how face masks influence the overall look of a uniform set. Just look at the NE Patriots....change their face mask color and you totally change the entire look. change the chin strap or mouth piece and nobody notices.That's exactly what I'm saying. The popular opinion is that a grey facemask means a team wasn't trying, or phoned it in, or just wanted to look retro when they redesigned. But the facemask color plays a huge part in how the brand and attitude of the team is perceived. My point is that grey works for anyone, but it changes the fabric of your brand to the point that the rest of your uniform needs to follow suit with that classic, true football aesthetic. The only point I've been trying to make is that there's nothing inherently wrong or sinful about a grey mask, and I've provided plentiful examples to reinforce that thinking from both sides of the fence. It's like a grey road uniform in baseball. It's part of history, it's neutral and it works with everyone's color scheme. Some teams like a more modern, colorful look, but grey still works if your brand supports it. The same is true for a facemask.I'm actually really glad you wrote this. It clarifies what you were trying to say. I obviously didn't get your point. The grey face mask is indeed classic and like you said "it changes the fabric of your brand to the point that the rest of your uniform needs to follow suit with that classic, true football aesthetic". I totally agree with that, which is why I totally hate the fact that the Arizona Cardinals utilize a grey face mask. It goes totally against the modern design of their uniform. You can almost draw a direct comparison to pin stripes in baseball. They instantly bring a certain classic look to a jersey. The problem is that NOT all teams should use pinstripes. As a matter of fact I wish fewer did. I see you point now and I have to admit I totally agree.same. well said by both GRAPHIC ARTIST BEHANCE / MEDIUM / DRIBBBLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewharrington Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 wait....is this an argument/discussion about whether or not face masks are a true part of the overall identity? or is it a discussion of HOW they fit in an identity? IMHO, there is no way in hell you can't include the face mask in the identity. Its much more than an equipment piece. If we are talking about chin straps or mouth pieces then thats one thing, but in terms of a face mask it is totally a part of the overall identity and should be totally considered in the the final design. There are more than enough examples of how face masks influence the overall look of a uniform set. Just look at the NE Patriots....change their face mask color and you totally change the entire look. change the chin strap or mouth piece and nobody notices.That's exactly what I'm saying. The popular opinion is that a grey facemask means a team wasn't trying, or phoned it in, or just wanted to look retro when they redesigned. But the facemask color plays a huge part in how the brand and attitude of the team is perceived. My point is that grey works for anyone, but it changes the fabric of your brand to the point that the rest of your uniform needs to follow suit with that classic, true football aesthetic. The only point I've been trying to make is that there's nothing inherently wrong or sinful about a grey mask, and I've provided plentiful examples to reinforce that thinking from both sides of the fence. It's like a grey road uniform in baseball. It's part of history, it's neutral and it works with everyone's color scheme. Some teams like a more modern, colorful look, but grey still works if your brand supports it. The same is true for a facemask.I'm actually really glad you wrote this. It clarifies what you were trying to say. I obviously didn't get your point. The grey face mask is indeed classic and like you said "it changes the fabric of your brand to the point that the rest of your uniform needs to follow suit with that classic, true football aesthetic". I totally agree with that, which is why I totally hate the fact that the Arizona Cardinals utilize a grey face mask. It goes totally against the modern design of their uniform. You can almost draw a direct comparison to pin stripes in baseball. They instantly bring a certain classic look to a jersey. The problem is that NOT all teams should use pinstripes. As a matter of fact I wish fewer did. I see you point now and I have to admit I totally agree.Yeah. There are a lot of layers and corollaries to this philosophy I have. Back on topic: If only the decal on the helmet was darker like the mask and jersey, this would be excellent. That and the stems should curl forward for accuracy's sake. I still don't have a website, but I have a dribbble now! http://dribbble.com/andyharry [The postings on this site are my own and do not necessarily represent the position, strategy or opinions of adidas and/or its brands.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhlyBoy Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Remember when Notre Dame actually used to play in important games?I don't believe my memory goes that far back. Actaully, I remember the game they had hosting USC about five or six years ago, and how fired up they got, breakin out the green jerseys, and the pep rally with all the Notre Dame legends -- killed entirely by the "Bush Push". the Irish have been on life-support ever since.whenever i see the green jerseys i think of that game. great game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcdevil Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 whenever i see the green jerseys i think of that game. great gameWhenever I see the green jerseys, I think of Ryan Grant and the last time that ND actually mattered on a national stage: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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