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[CS85 7,614]

He was never going to win a title in Cleveland, let's be realistic now. That organization had no idea how to build a real title contender around LeBron, from Gilbert on down.

If he would've gone anywhere where HE would've been the man, he wouldn't be under so much dismissal and scrutiny from jerkoffs like me. Unfortunately he decided to throw whatever dignity and pride he had out the window and form the ultimate gimmick down in south beach.

[Jimmy! 767]

Even when he wins a ring, all the haters will dismiss it and say he did it on Wade's team. I'm certainly not going to compare him to Michael at this point, and highly doubt I ever will. However, Lebron>Kobe

It's no different than Bulls haters of the 90's with their "Let's see 'em win without MJ" argument or Lakers haters of the 80's with the same sentiment about Magic. A championship is a good litmus test, but it doesn't define how great a player is

[OnWis97 3,649]

He was never going to win a title in Cleveland, let's be realistic now. That organization had no idea how to build a real title contender around LeBron, from Gilbert on down.

Kobe's God for saying "I will only play big market" and winning a bunch of titles on Free Agent Destination #1 while LeBron is a jerk for going to an important team after at least putting in 7 years with Cleveland.

That's the thing about titles...if Kobe stays with the team that drafted him (Charlotte Hornets), how many does he have now. Is KG better for going to Boston and winning a title than he'd have been if he stayed in Minnesota and won none?

I have my qualms with how LeBron went to Miami (or announced it) and with dream team building, but most people are applauded for joining winners and/or taking less money.

As for how good he is...he's as talented as anyone (he carried a very poor CLE to the finals), but Jordan and Kobe did not tighten up when it was on the line. He does.

[CS85 7,614]

I have my qualms with how LeBron went to Miami (or announced it) and with dream team building, but most people are applauded for joining winners and/or taking less money.

This kind of crap is why LeBron sucks. Perpetuating a self-aggrandizing media circus fellating a team's every move that hadn't won anything goes a long way in helping people confirm that he's a tool. I don't give a crap how good he is, he's obviously a tremendous basketball player, but the fact that he was a hero to so many people and he spat on them makes me kind of ill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT-I8jQDQ7c

[WSU151 5,633]

He was never going to win a title in Cleveland, let's be realistic now. That organization had no idea how to build a real title contender around LeBron, from Gilbert on down.

Gilbert's a poor owner, I'll give you that. Still won't consider it an impossibility based on how fast GMs and coaches can get canned.

[Lights Out 3,484]

Getting off the LeBron bickering for a bit... I finally found a YouTube clip of one of the most impressive scoring runs in quite some time. Just watch:

[the admiral 19,849]

Gilbert's kind of a clown, but I think he's fairly good at doing what he has to do to own a basketball team, and it has to be said that the Comic Sans Salvo has seemed to galvanize put-upon old northeastern Ohio in ways we've never seen, for better or worse (as far as the board is concerned, much, much worse).

[LeGooo 0]

So they hit four wide open 3s? Oh yeah, it was the Clippers so that makes it "one of the most impressive scoring runs in quite some time"

[Lights Out 3,484]

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Edited January 31, 2012 by Lights Out

[LeGooo 0]

I'm not trolling, that video just isnt that impressive. They hit wide open shots after terrible possesions by OKC

[CS85 7,614]

In what world is 12 straight points not impressive? The crowd and broadcasters and people on this board recognized it as impressive, as do I. OKC was sucking eggs and playing like hell, but that was impressive. It's not like the Clippers were playing the damn Wizards or something.

[Mockba 1,835]

Alright... apparently this thread needs a little more mod attention than it's been getting. I've removed a couple of direct personal attacks. I suspect I may have missed others, but I only went through a few pages. There's a lot more I could talk about if I wanted to be here all day, but I don't.

So, let's get a few things straight:

• Personal attacks are unacceptable on these boards. This has always been the case. Behave accordingly.
  
• Keep conversations about the NBA, its teams, players, etc, and not about each other.
  
• Be civil. It's not that hard.
  

Thank you.

[LeGooo 0]

I thought you blocked me?

And its impressive, but not anything special. They got wide open shots after a turnover, bad shot, and another turn over

[CS85 7,614]

OK, so now it's impressive.

You're not wrong, OKC played intensely disinterested defense in transition, but to have be swish after effortless swish is, in my book, of note. And don't flatter yourself, it's the "car wreck on the freeway" effect, nothing more. Sorry, Mockba, I'll leave it forever at that.

[LeGooo 0]

Where did I say it was completely 100% not impressive?

[Mockba 1,835]

Eleven minutes? You guys couldn't even make it eleven minutes?

[LeGooo 0]

I love the 3 ball as much as anyone (as a slow footed wing the 3 was my saving grace), but when Russell Westbrook basically hands you the ball, then the rest of the Thunder just stand and watch, hitting open shots isn't "one of the most impressive scoring runs in quite some time"

Idk why you seem to have it out for me CS85

[rams80 3,760]

That's the thing about titles...if Kobe stays with the team that drafted him (Charlotte Hornets), how many does he have now. Is KG better for going to Boston and winning a title than he'd have been if he stayed in Minnesota and won none?

Since the Hornets picking Kobe was a component of one of those ever popular "we're trading for your pick, but you need to pick before the trade is official, so take this guy" deals, I'm not sure how relevant that what if is.

[Bucfan56 7,832]

But he's been to two Finals before Jordan went to his first. Why that fact is ignored is even more ridiculous.

Because it's not a fact. Jordan had two NBA titles after his 8th year (rookie in 84-85, rings in 90-91 and 91-92). LeBron has been to two NBA Finals after 8 years in the league (now in his 9th season).

I'm talking age wise, not seasons played in the NBA. Sorry for not being more clear about that.

[Jimmy! 767]

But he's been to two Finals before Jordan went to his first. Why that fact is ignored is even more ridiculous.

Because it's not a fact. Jordan had two NBA titles after his 8th year (rookie in 84-85, rings in 90-91 and 91-92). LeBron has been to two NBA Finals after 8 years in the league (now in his 9th season).

I'm talking age wise, not seasons played in the NBA. Sorry for not being more clear about that.

I wonder how good Jordan would have been had he gone straight out of high school? Would Dallas draft him #1 overall? Would he have still gone to Chicago? Second round?