nash61 Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 As found on Icethetics, the ECHL's newest team, the San Francisco Bulls, are looking for someone to design a secondary logo for them. (Winning design will be compensated)http://www.icethetics.info/blog/2012/2/29/bay-areas-echl-club-preps-unveiling.htmlThe team has recently updated their primary logo, so don't be disappointed by the one found on their website. Here is the new primary:Compared to the old logo: On September 20, 2012 at 0:50 AM, 'CS85 said: It's like watching the hellish undead creakily shuffling their way out of the flames of a liposuction clinic dumpster fire. On February 19, 2012 at 9:30 AM, 'pianoknight said: Story B: Red Wings go undefeated and score 100 goals in every game. They also beat a team comprised of Godzilla, the ghost of Abraham Lincoln, 2 Power Rangers and Betty White. Oh, and they played in the middle of Iraq on a military base. In the sand. With no ice. Santa gave them special sand-skates that allowed them to play in shorts and t-shirts in 115 degree weather. Jesus, Zeus and Buddha watched from the sidelines and ate cotton candy. POTD 5/24/12, POTD 2/26/17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody21 Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 made a mistake as i can know see it. man the new one is a upgrade! In the last game against Detroit, the time from ten minutes left to one minute left was probably the longest nine minutes of my life. But from one to zero was probably the greatest time I've ever had. I didn't want the clock to run out. It was such a great feeling: people crying in the stands, people jumping up and down, people cheering. Guys couldn't even sit up on the bench. It was probably the best minute of my life.Ah, the "I'm kidding" - the universal internet excuse for saying something that others perceived as dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapshot Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 That logo has potential on its own if it weren't riddled with gradients, inconsistent line weights, colors and text.A simple crossed sticks/circle/cattlehead logo would stand out much better, maybe even with an "SF" monogram (like a brand) on the bull's forehead. Back-to-Back Fatal Forty Champion 2015 & 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GFB Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 I would discourage designers from participating in this. A high-level minor league team should not be asking for free work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vman Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I would discourage designers from participating in this. A high-level minor league team should not be asking for free work.They're not asking for free work. They'll compensate for any design they use, and the idea to consider proposals was put forth by Icethetics, not the the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GFB Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I would discourage designers from participating in this. A high-level minor league team should not be asking for free work.They're not asking for free work. They'll compensate for any design they use, and the idea to consider proposals was put forth by Icethetics, not the the team.So the other 99 designs that don't get chosen? What do they get? It's just a scheme to get free design work from a cheap and poorly run organization.And I'm willing to bet that the "compensation" from an organization that has already botched its identity twice now isn't going to be worth the trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportstar1212 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Who else thinks the font used in the logo is similar to the Giants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Would you go to a restaurant, order a dozen things, try them all and only pay for the one you like best? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody21 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Would you go to a restaurant, order a dozen things, try them all and only pay for the one you like best?only at an all you can eat buffet! In the last game against Detroit, the time from ten minutes left to one minute left was probably the longest nine minutes of my life. But from one to zero was probably the greatest time I've ever had. I didn't want the clock to run out. It was such a great feeling: people crying in the stands, people jumping up and down, people cheering. Guys couldn't even sit up on the bench. It was probably the best minute of my life.Ah, the "I'm kidding" - the universal internet excuse for saying something that others perceived as dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raysfan12 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 The new Primary is so much better than the old one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4One Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I know it's not quite the same, but the Bulls logo seems inspired by the Red Deer Rebels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vman Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 So the other 99 designs that don't get chosen? What do they get? It's just a scheme to get free design work from a cheap and poorly run organization.And I'm willing to bet that the "compensation" from an organization that has already botched its identity twice now isn't going to be worth the trouble.I guess the simple concept of a contest is too complicated for you to grasp. Why would those that don't win get anything? No one is forcing anyone to submit a proposal, and no one will be using their designs unless chosen. This is a contest on a site that gets for the most part amateur submissions. It's for fun, and as an end result, your work might get used and compensated. Not a bad deal. Architects and designers regularly submit proposals for which they never see a dime. It called competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchey13 Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 So the other 99 designs that don't get chosen? What do they get? It's just a scheme to get free design work from a cheap and poorly run organization.And I'm willing to bet that the "compensation" from an organization that has already botched its identity twice now isn't going to be worth the trouble.I guess the simple concept of a contest is too complicated for you to grasp. Why would those that don't win get anything? No one is forcing anyone to submit a proposal, and no one will be using their designs unless chosen. This is a contest on a site that gets for the most part amateur submissions. It's for fun, and as an end result, your work might get used and compensated. Not a bad deal. Architects and designers regularly submit proposals for which they never see a dime. It called competition.I think YOU'RE missing the point. Spec work takes away work for professional artists, and a professional hockey team should be able to afford to pay said professional artists for quality (hopefully) work. Instead they get a boatload of entries for free, instead of paying designers for those ideas and building upon the best ones, they choose a sub par identity some kid drew up at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapshot Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 So the other 99 designs that don't get chosen? What do they get? It's just a scheme to get free design work from a cheap and poorly run organization.And I'm willing to bet that the "compensation" from an organization that has already botched its identity twice now isn't going to be worth the trouble.I guess the simple concept of a contest is too complicated for you to grasp. Why would those that don't win get anything? No one is forcing anyone to submit a proposal, and no one will be using their designs unless chosen. This is a contest on a site that gets for the most part amateur submissions. It's for fun, and as an end result, your work might get used and compensated. Not a bad deal. Architects and designers regularly submit proposals for which they never see a dime. It called competition.Designers are contractors. Period.Replace "design a secondary logo" with "build a deck" or "paint my walls". Only the person who used the best colors or built the most visually interesting deck would get paid. Everyone else put in their time end effort and gets nothing in return.Except, of course, for the "prestige" of saying they got to build a deck or paint walls. Back-to-Back Fatal Forty Champion 2015 & 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54Chevy Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 i guess it boils down to this, you have issues with the organization for doing this, don't enter. no one is forcing you to do so. if you think it might be fun and worth your while, then have at it.i make a living as a professional designer, is this taking money out of my pocket? no, not at all, the contest is already in place. would i like to get paid to do something like this? absolutely i would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapshot Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 i make a living as a professional designer, is this taking money out of my pocket? no, not at all, the contest is already in place.Eventually, it may take money out of your pocket. One less client that's willing to pay your fair market value because they can get it done for free. Back-to-Back Fatal Forty Champion 2015 & 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54Chevy Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 i make a living as a professional designer, is this taking money out of my pocket? no, not at all, the contest is already in place.Eventually, it may take money out of your pocket. One less client that's willing to pay your fair market value because they can get it done for free.eventually, yes it could, you're right. flip the coin over, say someone wins and it leads to high paying branding assignments for them because of the exposure. there are alot of "ifs" and "whens" in life, i just choose to not get upset about something that i definitely cannot control. now, i'm not saying that i'm personally going to enter, but you have to realize, this contest isn't putting anyone in line at the welfare office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GFB Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I guess the simple concept of a contest is too complicated for you to grasp. Why would those that don't win get anything? No one is forcing anyone to submit a proposal, and no one will be using their designs unless chosen. This is a contest on a site that gets for the most part amateur submissions. It's for fun, and as an end result, your work might get used and compensated. Not a bad deal. Architects and designers regularly submit proposals for which they never see a dime. It called competition.Except that it's not really a contest. A contest, in the terms you are referring to, is a means to give away a prize. The chief benefactors in a contest are the contestants. This is a lottery. Everyone is paying their way in, yet only one or two will make out with more than what they put in. The chief benefactor in a lottery is the lottery itself, or in this case the team.Now, I don't frown upon all design contests. For example, the Grand Rapids Griffins have done a great one the past few years doing one-off fan designs. The Manitoba Moose did one back in the day that was pretty great as well. But they also have appropriate rewards and they don't get the potential rights to multiple designs.As for your last point about the industry. Of course there is competition. Studios and design firms regularly respond to RFPs and perhaps do a little prep work to help secure clients from other studios. But if you ask an architect to come up with a finished blueprints for a house or building, you will pay for them. You don't ask 4 different wedding photographers to photograph your wedding only to pay the one who took the best pictures. This is what portfolios and websites are for. i make a living as a professional designer, is this taking money out of my pocket? no, not at all, the contest is already in place.Eventually, it may take money out of your pocket. One less client that's willing to pay your fair market value because they can get it done for free.eventually, yes it could, you're right. flip the coin over, say someone wins and it leads to high paying branding assignments for them because of the exposure. there are alot of "ifs" and "whens" in life, i just choose to not get upset about something that i definitely cannot control. now, i'm not saying that i'm personally going to enter, but you have to realize, this contest isn't putting anyone in line at the welfare office.It isn't? I have college loans, studio expenses, and basic living costs just like anyone else. Me and my studio could sure use the extra work and income; and if not my studio, then I would rather have them pay someone like Fraser, Andy, Brandon, or even Joe (if he still takes tiny fish jobs like this anymore ) because it helps them pay their bills.And what if 5 other teams see that contests like this get not only a large amount, but also quality design work for an embarrassingly small investment? There goes 5 more potential clients. Then 20 teams do it. It's playing with fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54Chevy Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I guess the simple concept of a contest is too complicated for you to grasp. Why would those that don't win get anything? No one is forcing anyone to submit a proposal, and no one will be using their designs unless chosen. This is a contest on a site that gets for the most part amateur submissions. It's for fun, and as an end result, your work might get used and compensated. Not a bad deal. Architects and designers regularly submit proposals for which they never see a dime. It called competition.Except that it's not really a contest. A contest, in the terms you are referring to, is a means to give away a prize. The chief benefactors in a contest are the contestants. This is a lottery. Everyone is paying their way in, yet only one or two will make out with more than what they put in. The chief benefactor in a lottery is the lottery itself, or in this case the team.Now, I don't frown upon all design contests. For example, the Grand Rapids Griffins have done a great one the past few years doing one-off fan designs. The Manitoba Moose did one back in the day that was pretty great as well. But they also have appropriate rewards and they don't get the potential rights to multiple designs.As for your last point about the industry. Of course there is competition. Studios and design firms regularly respond to RFPs and perhaps do a little prep work to help secure clients from other studios. But if you ask an architect to come up with a finished blueprints for a house or building, you will pay for them. You don't ask 4 different wedding photographers to photograph your wedding only to pay the one who took the best pictures. This is what portfolios and websites are for. i make a living as a professional designer, is this taking money out of my pocket? no, not at all, the contest is already in place.Eventually, it may take money out of your pocket. One less client that's willing to pay your fair market value because they can get it done for free.eventually, yes it could, you're right. flip the coin over, say someone wins and it leads to high paying branding assignments for them because of the exposure. there are alot of "ifs" and "whens" in life, i just choose to not get upset about something that i definitely cannot control. now, i'm not saying that i'm personally going to enter, but you have to realize, this contest isn't putting anyone in line at the welfare office.It isn't? I have college loans, studio expenses, and basic living costs just like anyone else. Me and my studio could sure use the extra work and income; and if not my studio, then I would rather have them pay someone like Fraser, Andy, Brandon, or even Joe (if he still takes tiny fish jobs like this anymore ) because it helps them pay their bills.And what if 5 other teams see that contests like this get not only a large amount, but also quality design work for an embarrassingly small investment? There goes 5 more potential clients. Then 20 teams do it. It's playing with fire.i was speaking in terms of this contest, and this contest only. yes, i have bills too. yes, in the grand scheme of things it could be a snowball effect on how minor league teams handle these sorts of things. yes, it is a disservice. i agree with you on all points and i have never been "pro" to these sorts of things. all i'm saying is, personally, i will not shun someone for doing this, that's all. the biggest disservice to our industry would be that fact that someone got paid to do their dreadful primary logo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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