Your 2012 National Hockey Lockout Thread

[rams80]

Hmm, I wonder where a Comcast Sportsnet writer would get insider info about Jeremy Jacobs being a screaming dickhole to his "fellow" owners during negotiations.

http://www.csnne.com...091&feedID=3352

Yeah, Jeremy, what has Winnipeg ever done for you, except take an albatross of a franchise and turn it into a cash register, while paying mightily for the privilege. This effing guy.

"Yeah, and now the Cap is even higher because of that."

[IceCap]

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/story/2012/11/28/sp-nhl-maple-leafs-valuation-forbes.html

Not that it adds anything, but hey, it's not immediately lockout related. Interesting to note that the Coyotes aren't last on the list. Apparently they're worth more then the Blues. How that is possible, I have no idea.

[The_Admiral]

Yeah, Jeremy, what has Winnipeg ever done for you, except take an albatross of a franchise and turn it into a cash register, while paying mightily for the privilege. This effing guy.

Pursuant to the terms of the CBA, the Jets almost cost Jacobs money by significantly raising revenues from what Atlanta brought in, meaning more of his own money had to go back into payroll. Fortunately, he cancelled half of this season! Disaster averted!

http://www.cbc.ca/sp...ion-forbes.html

Not that it adds anything, but hey, it's not immediately lockout related. Interesting to note that the Coyotes aren't last on the list. Apparently they're worth more then the Blues. How that is possible, I have no idea.

Because the Blues (plus other goodies) are known to have sold for less than what the Coyotes are being sold for. This is because the world makes no sense.

[Funky Bunky]

There's really no where else to post this, so I'll post this here....

http://www.startribune.com/sports/wild/181297631.html?refer=y

Josh Harding of the Wild got diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis. For the very few people that might not know what that is, it's a disease that paralyzes you. Really, really sad.

[The_Admiral]

That sucks a lot. Harding was one of those #1A goalies who always seemed like he would really shine somewhere as soon as he got a change of scenery. I hope he's able to manage it well.

[IceCap]

http://www.cbc.ca/sp...ion-forbes.html

Not that it adds anything, but hey, it's not immediately lockout related. Interesting to note that the Coyotes aren't last on the list. Apparently they're worth more then the Blues. How that is possible, I have no idea.

Because the Blues (plus other goodies) are known to have sold for less than what the Coyotes are being sold for. This is because the world makes no sense.

Didn't the Lightning's current owner buy the team, the arena, and the surrounding land for $90 million cash upfront? Kind of makes Jamison's plan to buy the Coyotes for $170 million with government subsidies sound.........absurd.

[Epiphanic]

http://www.cbc.ca/sp...ion-forbes.html

Not that it adds anything, but hey, it's not immediately lockout related. Interesting to note that the Coyotes aren't last on the list. Apparently they're worth more then the Blues. How that is possible, I have no idea.

Because the Blues (plus other goodies) are known to have sold for less than what the Coyotes are being sold for. This is because the world makes no sense.

Didn't the Lightning's current owner buy the team, the arena, and the surrounding land for $90 million cash upfront? Kind of makes Jamison's plan to buy the Coyotes for $170 million with government subsidies sound.........absurd.

Consider it a discount for using cash.

[JackieMoon]

I seriously think the NHL will never recover from this in it's current form. Teams like Florida, Columbus, and Nashville are going to lose their entire fanbase. Maybe it's best for North American Pro Hockey, who knows. All I know is I am utterly fed up with the likes of all the dummies that are bickering (players, owners, Commish Buttman).

Are we gonna have a 30-team NHL whenever they resume? Maybe short-term but I don't see it lasting.

If it's better for pro hockey and the league folds, so be it. Maybe that's what we need to have a good, quality product that we know won't take us fans for granted.

[JayMac]

I seriously think the NHL will never recover from this in it's current form. Teams like Florida, Columbus, and Nashville are going to lose their entire fanbase. Maybe it's best for North American Pro Hockey, who knows. All I know is I am utterly fed up with the likes of all the dummies that are bickering (players, owners, Commish Buttman).

Are we gonna have a 30-team NHL whenever they resume? Maybe short-term but I don't see it lasting.

If it's better for pro hockey and the league folds, so be it. Maybe that's what we need to have a good, quality product that we know won't take us fans for granted.

I agree that a few teams will probably not be able to survive post-lockout. It may not be right away but there will be contraction or relocation within 2-3 years. Honestly there should only be about 24-26 teams. Just my opinion though.

[The_Admiral]

I seriously think the NHL will never recover from this in it's current form. Teams like Florida, Columbus, and Nashville are going to lose their entire fanbase.

This isn't true. The most diehard fans of teams like these are pro-lockout, now as then, and will happily sit this one out if it means their teams are supposed to be more competitive than they were before. The problem is that this line of thinking is going to leave them with like 5,000 people who still care.

[Sodboy13]

Am told by 2 NHL sources that #Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs forced employees to pay tax on 2011 Stanley Cup rings. About $7K per ring. Some support staff couldn't afford the tax up front, so players stepped up and covered the cost so they could get rings too.

This effing guy.

[ninersdd]

So it's not 29 owners who control Bettman? It's basically one guy(Jacobs) who is the puppet master behind him?

[The_Admiral]

Peter Karmanos is also understood to be pretty influential (and when you control the booming hockeytown of Raleigh, why shouldn't you be), as he and Jim Rutherford seem to have their tentacles in all sorts of subcommittees. The book (which I reviewed for y'all!) notes that Harley Hotchkiss was very close to Bettman before his death; whether Murray Edwards inherited that influence, I can't say.

James Dolan has no influence with Bettman after trying to sue him for internet revenue. The Leafs' representatives got kicked from the executive committee a while ago for wanting too much money or something. Geoff Molson is too new to the room. So your three biggest markets don't really play into this. Lovely.

[Kevin W.]

Am told by 2 NHL sources that #Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs forced employees to pay tax on 2011 Stanley Cup rings. About $7K per ring. Some support staff couldn't afford the tax up front, so players stepped up and covered the cost so they could get rings too.

This effing guy.

I'm putting this in spoilers because of the profanity, though it's relatively mild:

[Kramerica Industries]

This effing guy.

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[bosrs1]

I seriously think the NHL will never recover from this in it's current form. Teams like Florida, Columbus, and Nashville are going to lose their entire fanbase.

This isn't true. The most diehard fans of teams like these are pro-lockout, now as then, and will happily sit this one out if it means their teams are supposed to be more competitive than they were before. The problem is that this line of thinking is going to leave them with like 5,000 people who still care.

Wouldn't that by extension kill the teams?

[ninersdd]

So your three biggest markets don't really play into this. Lovely.

What about Ilitch and Wirtz? Do they have any roles is this at all today?

[The_Admiral]

Well, Mike Ilitch the man himself appears to be on the verge of death. The Wings were the only team that I know of to get the $1,000,000 fine for speaking out of turn. Devellano got his dick slapped pretty hard for that cattle remark, though rumor has it he didn't particularly mind.

I don't know what Rocky Wirtz is allowed to say.

[Sport]

I seriously think the NHL will never recover from this in it's current form. Teams like Florida, Columbus, and Nashville are going to lose their entire fanbase.

This isn't true. The most diehard fans of teams like these are pro-lockout, now as then, and will happily sit this one out if it means their teams are supposed to be more competitive than they were before. The problem is that this line of thinking is going to leave them with like 5,000 people who still care.

Not true of this Blue Jackets diehard and I really don't know any who are. Where are you getting your information, sir?

[IceCap]

Am told by 2 NHL sources that #Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs forced employees to pay tax on 2011 Stanley Cup rings. About $7K per ring. Some support staff couldn't afford the tax up front, so players stepped up and covered the cost so they could get rings too.

This effing guy.

Good G-d. The Mr. Burns comparisons don't stop at his appearance do they?

Peter Karmanos is also understood to be pretty influential (and when you control the booming hockeytown of Raleigh, why shouldn't you be), as he and Jim Rutherford seem to have their tentacles in all sorts of subcommittees. The book (which I reviewed for y'all!) notes that Harley Hotchkiss was very close to Bettman before his death; whether Murray Edwards inherited that influence, I can't say.

James Dolan has no influence with Bettman after trying to sue him for internet revenue. The Leafs' representatives got kicked from the executive committee a while ago for wanting too much money or something. Geoff Molson is too new to the room. So your three biggest markets don't really play into this. Lovely.

At the risk of sounding like an arrogant Leafs fan.....

Jacobs, Bettman, and whatever other owners are gleefully going along with them can all f off and die. You don't include the Toronto Maple Leafs or Montreal Canadiens in the decision making process on a lockout dispute over revenue? The Leafs make more money then anyone in the league, and telling the Canadiens that they don't deserve a say is like telling the New York Yankees they don't deserve a say in the goings on of baseball.

Screw you NHL. Screw. You.