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Washington Redtails-Secondary Logo pg. 3

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I fell in love with the Redtails name when I first stumbled upon it here on the boards, and finally got some time to sit down and sketch something out.

I began by drawing a P-51C, the plane used by the Tuskegee Airmen. I had a bit of a brain wave (that I'm actually quite proud of) and added the Redskin's spear into the shape of the plane. Once colored I hope this is even more obvious. You'll notice the DC on the side of the plane, I put this in there because i had to have been nearly 12 years old before I realized the Washington Redskins team was based in DC (I'm somewhat ashamed).

I toyed with a roundel, and will likely include that as an alt logo, but chances are just the plane will be on the helmets.

I haven't uploaded a sketch in a long long long time, and I quite like this one and would love to have you all help make it a completed concept. I'll be working on this based on your comments, so the more the merrier.

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That's a really nice start, can't wait to see how this fleshes out. I am wondering if the DC may look better on the tail since you're looking for c&c

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Since I'm not getting too much C&C on the sketch here's the first digital, color version:

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I think I would make the exhaust pipes more defined. Right now it looks like its missing. Other than that, its well done. Great start. after you have the logo finished, are you going to do a whole uniform concept?

Oh, just noticed the spear. I like it.

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Your perspective is off. The spear is at a different angle than the plane, making it feel disjointed.

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Agreed about the angle/perspective. Something isn't quite right. I'm imaging the spear and the plane forming an X if viewed from above, with the spear pointing left of the nose of the plane.

I'm guessing you're going for motion with the prop. However, I'm seeing a swastika.

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I'm working on perspective now. I'm having trouble because i know what I see, and seeing it as 'off' is not easy for me. The top edge of the spear is supposed to kind of represent the paint often seen on these planes:

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Forgot to re-do the exhaust, but here's an update:

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I love the idea.

One issue i have is the spear head is making the nose of the plane to angled. The line going through it is causing that, and it gives the top of the nose a very flat look. IMO that's what is throwing the the prospective off. The under belly is too rounded as well.

Hope that helps.

Mike

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It looks like the spear is making the front of the plane angled down too far. I think it would look better if you brought the wings and the rest of the front up. And I'd try to blend the spear in even more with the nose of the plane. Right now it still looks like a completely different element. And I'd lose the motion lines on the propeller. I think it definitely looks too much like a swastika. I really like it so far though, especially the original sketch on paper.

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I'm trying to work out the perspective issues before I move on to correcting the propeller. The spear is less obvious now, but I think it helps achieve a perspective fix.

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Why is there additional fuselage below the spear? It seems like the belly wouldn't be so thick if that were adjusted.

I'm guessing you're going for a thicker plane to be more historically accurate. I'm not sure if that works for this logo.

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Took a break from the logo, sometimes that's what works best. So until tomorrow here is my first uniform concept. The basis, obviously, is the Redskins throwback. The logo is featured on the sleeves. I absolutely loved the 'leather' helmet and have been considering using it since starting this concept. I gave it a bit of a modern twist and was able to work red into the helmet that way as well.

REMEMBER, this is just the first draft.

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Ditto the above.

It's a great idea, but a tough one to pull off...rendering a logo to make it look like it's on the side of a specific plane.

You don't actually see each individual propeller blade when a plane's in flight, so why not try the outline of an oval to render the blades (with the back of the oval disappearing behind the nose).

It's coming along nicely.

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Well, here's the first update of the day. I might not get to too many more updates this weekend. So comment away!

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I think the wings look a little off. Like they curve upwards slightly.

I also think that where the starboard (right) wing meets the fuselage, the perspective is thrown off a little. It makes either the underneath look a little fat, for use of a better word, or that the wings flow out of the fuselage like so:

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(obviously this is a lot more extreme case, as an example)

I do think that by using a different shade for the leading edge of the wing like in your original sketch you may be able to fix this.

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Took a break from the logo, sometimes that's what works best. So until tomorrow here is my first uniform concept. The basis, obviously, is the Redskins throwback. The logo is featured on the sleeves. I absolutely loved the 'leather' helmet and have been considering using it since starting this concept. I gave it a bit of a modern twist and was able to work red into the helmet that way as well.

REMEMBER, this is just the first draft.

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This concept looks awesome, and I think Washington should use these jerseys full time anyway. The trouble still remains that "Redtails" makes little sense unless you move the team to Birmingham. The evolution of the old spear logo into the airplane's lines is phenomenal though.

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