IceCap Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Also we are forgetting the team isnt named after the bird, but the fact that they wear cardinal redAs CWx said that story may not even be true. PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CS85 Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Also we are forgetting the team isnt named after the bird, but the fact that they wear cardinal redAs CWx said that story may not even be true.The original Chicago Cardinals origin was actually quite different than stories would have you believe. Founded in 1934 by Perkins "Pops" Slattery, the original name of the franchise was the Racine Crushed Velvets. Their logo was a confederate soldier swimming in a bucket of molasses; their colors were brown, jade, and the first recorded use of Vintage White (source). Quote "You are nothing more than a small cancer on this message board. You are not entertaining, you are a complete joke." twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 1. Transplanted fans and natives could embrace a region specific name, that's good marketing. I think you would have seen better merchandise sales as well. It's worked out well for the NFL's Tennessee Titans and MLB's Washington Nationals.Is the District of Columbia known as a transplant heavy region? Sure you have the revolving door of politicians, but is the city as a whole known for its transplant population?Not known for it on the level of Phoenix or various Florida cities, but there are a lot of non-natives in DC and Northern Virginia, yes. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungle Jim Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Also we are forgetting the team isnt named after the bird, but the fact that they wear cardinal redAs CWx said that story may not even be true.The original Chicago Cardinals origin was actually quite different than stories would have you believe. Founded in 1934 by Perkins "Pops" Slattery, the original name of the franchise was the Racine Crushed Velvets. Their logo was a confederate soldier swimming in a bucket of molasses; their colors were brown, jade, and the first recorded use of Vintage White (source). I've always wondered why every team doesn't base its identity on a confederate soldier swimming in a bucket of molasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whittier S Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Like Ice_Cap, the Cardinals are my #2 team behind the Chargers, and as a fan, I wouldn't support a change. The logos and colors are nice, and the names been around for ever. I see no reason for change.I'd even go so far as to say that a name change would result in me ditching the team. A big part of the Cardinals' appeal is that longevity, that history. Being a Cardinals fan? That's cool. There would be no appeal to the Arizona Scorpions/Wranglers/Vultures to me.Let's all keep in mind that the story about the faded Maroon jerseys ("they're Cardinal Red") has been debunked as somewhat of an urban legend. May or may not be actually true.The state bird of Illinois is the cardinal.Thank you!Also the colour cardinal red is named after the bird. So the bird theme still works even if the colour story is true."Cardinal red" is named for the bird, but the bird is named for the Catholic official, who wears a red robe. I used to think that the original "Chicago Cardinals" was actually a Catholic reference, since Chicago has a Cardinal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk9 Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Why is there not a team in the NFL using the color Maroon ? The Redskins would be the closest but their color has more of a red tinge to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Back when the Cardinals identity was still a mess with a long-outdated logo, a boring and bad set of mismatching uniforms, and pretty much no success to market around, I favored a change to the Firebirds. I thought it made sense for Phoenix, and I thought you could do a really cool job taking the bird head and turning the feathering in the top left into flames. I doodle it a number of times. It'd be great.They could have toyed with some interesting name arrangements as well by going with Phoenix instead of Firebirds.The Arizona Phoenix. The Phoenix of Arizona. Just Phoenix Arizona. Just Phoenix.I think the latter would have been especially cool.In any case, they finally gave their identity a much needed refresh and did so excellently. I don't love the uniforms as a "forever" sort of solution, but they were good in the moment and they're not outdated just yet. The logo is excellent. The only issue is the facemask, but that's something of a dead horse. I'm open to beating it but not now.So at this point, Cardinals it is and will be. JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygers09 Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Hey, the team made a Super Bowl appearance, didn't win one... but still got to the big show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygers09 Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Yeah, bringing up the "lets have three teams swap names!" argument makes even less sense here then it does in the NBA threads.Honestly a 2x three team swap makes PERFECT sense!-New Orleans Jazz-Charlotte Hornets-Utah BobcatsTHEN-Minnesota Lakers-Memphis Bucks-Los Angeles Grizzlies There, all fixed!</obvious trolThen what would Milwaukee be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshawaggie Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Any name that is not a "real" thing and contains a descriptor just screams minor league or scholastic."Sea Dogs", "Ice Cats", "River Cats", etc. I'll include "Firebirds" and even "Sea Hawks" on this list (though I'm on the fence with Sea Hawks.)What?! Slap that car on a helmet right now and call it good. @josh_j12 CFA- Fargo Bobcats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Hey, the team made a Super Bowl appearance, didn't win one... but still got to the big show.Right. And that's another reason I figure their new identity is pretty cemented. When I said they didn't have winning to build around, I meant while they were in the old, drab stuff.They're kinda bad again (although they might be decent this year), but they definitely had some success early on in the new stuff. JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygers09 Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Any name that is not a "real" thing and contains a descriptor just screams minor league or scholastic."Sea Dogs", "Ice Cats", "River Cats", etc. I'll include "Firebirds" and even "Sea Hawks" on this list (though I'm on the fence with Sea Hawks.)What?! Slap that car on a helmet right now and call it good.You can't...unless you get permission from GM first, they have the rights on the Firebird logoFirehawks would be cool instead of Firebirds..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruColor Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Firehawks would be cool instead of Firebirds..... Firehawks and Seahawks in the same division?? Nah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshawaggie Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Any name that is not a "real" thing and contains a descriptor just screams minor league or scholastic."Sea Dogs", "Ice Cats", "River Cats", etc. I'll include "Firebirds" and even "Sea Hawks" on this list (though I'm on the fence with Sea Hawks.)What?! Slap that car on a helmet right now and call it good.You can't...unless you get permission from GM first, they have the rights on the Firebird logoFirehawks would be cool instead of Firebirds.....First of all... I meant the entire car.Second of all.. It was a joke... @josh_j12 CFA- Fargo Bobcats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proc Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 There are no Lions here in Detroit, and one could argue no football team either, but the name is classic. Cardinals can happily stay in Arizona. Old guy here too. Pass the fly swatter, CW! You kids get off my lawn too!(null) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hailstateunis Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Yeah, bringing up the "lets have three teams swap names!" argument makes even less sense here then it does in the NBA threads. Honestly a 2x three team swap makes PERFECT sense!-New Orleans Jazz-Charlotte Hornets-Utah BobcatsTHEN-Minnesota Lakers-Memphis Bucks-Los Angeles Grizzlies There, all fixed!</obvious trolThen what would Milwaukee be?Milwaukee Timberwolves. http://www.hailstateunis.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill0813 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 If anyone should lay claim to the name Firebirds it should be Detroit. For decades, the Lions played in Pontiac, and when you think Pontiac......Then the Cardinals could continue the theme and switch to the Bandits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I agree that the Cardinals absolutely should be a pro football team, just not here in Arizona.But then again, they should've never moved out to Glenganistan, either. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc49erfan15 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I'm open to beating it but not now.Heh heh.To keep this on topic, there is absolutely no reason to change. Arizona Cardinals (though I preferred Phoenix Cardinals) is just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony. Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I agree that the Cardinals absolutely should be a pro football team, just not here in Arizona.But then again, they should've never moved out to Glenganistan, either.They shoudn't be owned by Bill Bidwill.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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