The Big Ol' Counterfeit Jersey Thread

[lancealot]

That's one of the replica cuts which iirc green Bay does intact use for their replicas although those stripes look incorrect

[FiddySicks]

Off topic, but I've always wondered. If you were to buy a Green Bay Packers authentic jersey, would it be in the Nike cut or the traditional cut that they actually use?

[wonderbread]

Off topic, but I've always wondered. If you were to buy a Green Bay Packers authentic jersey, would it be in the Nike cut or the traditional cut that they actually use?

Traditional

[Waleslax]

I just have to add that anyone who buys a counterfeit jersey (much less many), should ever complain again about "jobs being shipped overseas," or "losing a job because someone else would do it for less."

[LuvTheNats]

Any reason as to why a new thread was needed to address this?

[Soarindude]

To the person that said something along the lines of jobs going "overseas". You do realize that major corporations like Nike/Reebok are making their 200$ jerseys over in China and Taiwan the same way the counterfeit people are doing it? In fact, the Nike/Taiwan sweatshops are probably in worst conditions then the counterfeit ones. Plus, the Counterfeit company's are still having to pay Americans to ship/distribute their merchandise here. There's no difference.

The more counterfeit jerseys are sold, and the less jerseys that are being bought my the big companies (Nike, Reebok, etc), the cheaper the real jerseys become. If more people bought Counterfeit jerseys that were 20$ instead of 200$, than the prices would go down. It's far more complicated as I am no economics major, but the big company would have to deal with the competition.

Similar to purchasing songs on Itunes or Gomusic, it's easier just to download illegally for free. The Artists are being screwed, yes. But they are already making millions. Why itunes feels the need to charge 1$ a song is absolutely idiotic. That's why less and less people are downloading from those type of websites, as more and more people become aware of how to safely download music for free. The only people I know that purchase music through itunes are the people too poor at technology to figure out how to download, or the very small minority that feel the need to "reward" the artists that are already making millions upon millions of dollars to fulfill their drug addictions and pay for their fancy cars.

[Kevin W.]

To the person that said something along the lines of jobs going "overseas". You do realize that major corporations like Nike/Reebok are making their 200$ jerseys over in China and Taiwan the same way the counterfeit people are doing it? In fact, the Nike/Taiwan sweatshops are probably in worst conditions then the counterfeit ones. Plus, the Counterfeit company's are still having to pay Americans to ship/distribute their merchandise here. There's no difference.

The more counterfeit jerseys are sold, and the less jerseys that are being bought my the big companies (Nike, Reebok, etc), the cheaper the real jerseys become. If more people bought Counterfeit jerseys that were 20$ instead of 200$, than the prices would go down. It's far more complicated as I am no economics major, but the big company would have to deal with the competition.

Similar to purchasing songs on Itunes or Gomusic, it's easier just to download illegally for free. The Artists are being screwed, yes. But they are already making millions. Why itunes feels the need to charge 1$ a song is absolutely idiotic. That's why less and less people are downloading from those type of websites, as more and more people become aware of how to safely download music for free. The only people I know that purchase music through itunes are the people too poor at technology to figure out how to download, or the very small minority that feel the need to "reward" the artists that are already making millions upon millions of dollars to fulfill their drug addictions and pay for their fancy cars.

There are too few facepalm images floating around on the internet to describe how I feel about this post. "Oh, I'm sorry about hitting your car. Pushing you out of the way was easier than waiting behind you for the light to turn green!"

[wonderbread]

To the person that said something along the lines of jobs going "overseas". You do realize that major corporations like Nike/Reebok are making their 200$ jerseys over in China and Taiwan the same way the counterfeit people are doing it? In fact, the Nike/Taiwan sweatshops are probably in worst conditions then the counterfeit ones. Plus, the Counterfeit company's are still having to pay Americans to ship/distribute their merchandise here. There's no difference.

The more counterfeit jerseys are sold, and the less jerseys that are being bought my the big companies (Nike, Reebok, etc), the cheaper the real jerseys become. If more people bought Counterfeit jerseys that were 20$ instead of 200$, than the prices would go down. It's far more complicated as I am no economics major, but the big company would have to deal with the competition.

Similar to purchasing songs on Itunes or Gomusic, it's easier just to download illegally for free. The Artists are being screwed, yes. But they are already making millions. Why itunes feels the need to charge 1$ a song is absolutely idiotic. That's why less and less people are downloading from those type of websites, as more and more people become aware of how to safely download music for free. The only people I know that purchase music through itunes are the people too poor at technology to figure out how to download, or the very small minority that feel the need to "reward" the artists that are already making millions upon millions of dollars to fulfill their drug addictions and pay for their fancy cars.

its simple economics when price is high supply goes up and demand goes down, so you need to lower the price closer to the break even point to increase demand and thus reducing supply.

[worcat]

On a side note - I feel major companies should allow people to return products with noticeable flaws. I have a Cardinals batting practice baseball hat where the piping doesn't match up. I paid for quality merchandise, and it looks like a counterfeit.

[Soarindude]

To the person that said something along the lines of jobs going "overseas". You do realize that major corporations like Nike/Reebok are making their 200$ jerseys over in China and Taiwan the same way the counterfeit people are doing it? In fact, the Nike/Taiwan sweatshops are probably in worst conditions then the counterfeit ones. Plus, the Counterfeit company's are still having to pay Americans to ship/distribute their merchandise here. There's no difference.

The more counterfeit jerseys are sold, and the less jerseys that are being bought my the big companies (Nike, Reebok, etc), the cheaper the real jerseys become. If more people bought Counterfeit jerseys that were 20$ instead of 200$, than the prices would go down. It's far more complicated as I am no economics major, but the big company would have to deal with the competition.

Similar to purchasing songs on Itunes or Gomusic, it's easier just to download illegally for free. The Artists are being screwed, yes. But they are already making millions. Why itunes feels the need to charge 1$ a song is absolutely idiotic. That's why less and less people are downloading from those type of websites, as more and more people become aware of how to safely download music for free. The only people I know that purchase music through itunes are the people too poor at technology to figure out how to download, or the very small minority that feel the need to "reward" the artists that are already making millions upon millions of dollars to fulfill their drug addictions and pay for their fancy cars.

There are too few facepalm images floating around on the internet to describe how I feel about this post. "Oh, I'm sorry about hitting your car. Pushing you out of the way was easier than waiting behind you for the light to turn green!"

I have no idea how that has anything to do with my post. Why support big companies like Nike and Reebok when they're doing the same thing that the Counterfeit companies are doing, just charging 10x more?

Both of those companies are major outsourcers anyway, there's no difference.

[ThorSkaagi]

On a side note - I feel major companies should allow people to return products with noticeable flaws. I have a Cardinals batting practice baseball hat where the piping doesn't match up. I paid for quality merchandise, and it looks like a counterfeit.

What's stopping you from returning that? I've returned flawed jerseys before with no problem.

[oldschoolvikings]

To the person that said something along the lines of jobs going "overseas". You do realize that major corporations like Nike/Reebok are making their 200$ jerseys over in China and Taiwan the same way the counterfeit people are doing it? In fact, the Nike/Taiwan sweatshops are probably in worst conditions then the counterfeit ones. Plus, the Counterfeit company's are still having to pay Americans to ship/distribute their merchandise here. There's no difference.

The more counterfeit jerseys are sold, and the less jerseys that are being bought my the big companies (Nike, Reebok, etc), the cheaper the real jerseys become. If more people bought Counterfeit jerseys that were 20$ instead of 200$, than the prices would go down. It's far more complicated as I am no economics major, but the big company would have to deal with the competition.

Similar to purchasing songs on Itunes or Gomusic, it's easier just to download illegally for free. The Artists are being screwed, yes. But they are already making millions. Why itunes feels the need to charge 1$ a song is absolutely idiotic. That's why less and less people are downloading from those type of websites, as more and more people become aware of how to safely download music for free. The only people I know that purchase music through itunes are the people too poor at technology to figure out how to download, or the very small minority that feel the need to "reward" the artists that are already making millions upon millions of dollars to fulfill their drug addictions and pay for their fancy cars.

So, you don't actually know any musicians, do you?

[Soarindude]

To the person that said something along the lines of jobs going "overseas". You do realize that major corporations like Nike/Reebok are making their 200$ jerseys over in China and Taiwan the same way the counterfeit people are doing it? In fact, the Nike/Taiwan sweatshops are probably in worst conditions then the counterfeit ones. Plus, the Counterfeit company's are still having to pay Americans to ship/distribute their merchandise here. There's no difference.

The more counterfeit jerseys are sold, and the less jerseys that are being bought my the big companies (Nike, Reebok, etc), the cheaper the real jerseys become. If more people bought Counterfeit jerseys that were 20$ instead of 200$, than the prices would go down. It's far more complicated as I am no economics major, but the big company would have to deal with the competition.

Similar to purchasing songs on Itunes or Gomusic, it's easier just to download illegally for free. The Artists are being screwed, yes. But they are already making millions. Why itunes feels the need to charge 1$ a song is absolutely idiotic. That's why less and less people are downloading from those type of websites, as more and more people become aware of how to safely download music for free. The only people I know that purchase music through itunes are the people too poor at technology to figure out how to download, or the very small minority that feel the need to "reward" the artists that are already making millions upon millions of dollars to fulfill their drug addictions and pay for their fancy cars.

So, you don't actually know any musicians, do you?

Correction: I was referring to the very famous musicians that complain about how they're not getting there cut from people that illegally download music. I see your point on the unfamous musicians that are loosing money. But the jersey complainers, well, that makes no sense to me.

[oldschoolvikings]

To the person that said something along the lines of jobs going "overseas". You do realize that major corporations like Nike/Reebok are making their 200$ jerseys over in China and Taiwan the same way the counterfeit people are doing it? In fact, the Nike/Taiwan sweatshops are probably in worst conditions then the counterfeit ones. Plus, the Counterfeit company's are still having to pay Americans to ship/distribute their merchandise here. There's no difference.

The more counterfeit jerseys are sold, and the less jerseys that are being bought my the big companies (Nike, Reebok, etc), the cheaper the real jerseys become. If more people bought Counterfeit jerseys that were 20$ instead of 200$, than the prices would go down. It's far more complicated as I am no economics major, but the big company would have to deal with the competition.

Similar to purchasing songs on Itunes or Gomusic, it's easier just to download illegally for free. The Artists are being screwed, yes. But they are already making millions. Why itunes feels the need to charge 1$ a song is absolutely idiotic. That's why less and less people are downloading from those type of websites, as more and more people become aware of how to safely download music for free. The only people I know that purchase music through itunes are the people too poor at technology to figure out how to download, or the very small minority that feel the need to "reward" the artists that are already making millions upon millions of dollars to fulfill their drug addictions and pay for their fancy cars.

So, you don't actually know any musicians, do you?

Correction: I was referring to the very famous musicians that complain about how they're not getting there cut from people that illegally download music. I see your point on the unfamous musicians that are loosing money. But the jersey complainers, well, that makes no sense to me.

Well, the point carries over. Just like music, you can focus on the big time performer and say who cares, but it's the thousands of struggling working people that are getting screwed on the illegal download transaction. And the same is true of any IP situation. You think Phil Knight is going hungry over counterfeit jerseys? Yeah, sure, he looks out the window of his private jet and yawns. But somebody is getting screwed... money isn't created or destroyed, its only exchanged. Venders, truck drivers, warehouse employees... go tell a guy working on a loading dock at a Nike warehouse about how rough it is that you don't want to pay full price for a luxury item, so it's not your fault.

[Kevin W.]

And let's not forget that many counterfeiting rings are run either directly or indirectly by overseas organized crime. So in essence, by buying a fake jersey, not only are you screwing over the legitimate organizations, you might be funding some Triad gangsters instead.

[pcgd]

Who do you think works for these big companies? Anonymous blobs? Thousands of real people from all over the US get their employment from these evil corporations.

[FiddySicks]

And let's not forget that many counterfeiting rings are run either directly or indirectly by overseas organized crime. So in essence, by buying a fake jersey, not only are you screwing over the legitimate organizations, you might be funding some Triad gangsters instead.

I dunno about this one. This reminds me of those commercials that basically say that smoking pot is supporting terrorism. Sure, that's maybe true in a very small amount of cases, but it's still an enormous stretch.

[worcat]

On a side note - I feel major companies should allow people to return products with noticeable flaws. I have a Cardinals batting practice baseball hat where the piping doesn't match up. I paid for quality merchandise, and it looks like a counterfeit.

What's stopping you from returning that? I've returned flawed jerseys before with no problem.

I no longer have my receipt. I refuse to be that person that makes a scene trying to return something i should have noticed before. Their fault, my mistake. Just wish I could get one that didn't look like :censored:.

[Kevin W.]

And let's not forget that many counterfeiting rings are run either directly or indirectly by overseas organized crime. So in essence, by buying a fake jersey, not only are you screwing over the legitimate organizations, you might be funding some Triad gangsters instead.

I dunno about this one. This reminds me of those commercials that basically say that smoking pot is supporting terrorism. Sure, that's maybe true in a very small amount of cases, but it's still an enormous stretch.

Except it is true in a lot of cases. The Chinese Triads are heavily involved in apparel counterfeiting. I'm sure that includes sports jerseys.

[FiddySicks]

And let's not forget that many counterfeiting rings are run either directly or indirectly by overseas organized crime. So in essence, by buying a fake jersey, not only are you screwing over the legitimate organizations, you might be funding some Triad gangsters instead.

I dunno about this one. This reminds me of those commercials that basically say that smoking pot is supporting terrorism. Sure, that's maybe true in a very small amount of cases, but it's still an enormous stretch.

Except it is true in a lot of cases. The Chinese Triads are heavily involved in apparel counterfeiting. I'm sure that includes sports jerseys.

Ok, that's fine. I'm not saying you're wrong, but what's your proof? If you're right then I'll accept that, but until I see some numbers on this, I'm gonna have to remain very skeptical.