The Big Ol' Counterfeit Jersey Thread

[soyster89]

I don't understand why everyone is so against someone buying a knock-off? Maybe I'm missing something, but if someone wants a jersey for their favorite team and doesn't want to spend $80-$100 for a replica that looks like crap and doesn't have the money to buy a $200-$300 authentic jersey, why is getting a $20 knock off such a bad thing? Who are these consumers hurting? The businesses that charge $80-$100 for something that costs all of $3 to manufacture? The business who charges $300 for something that costs them $30 to manufacture? If the Chinese can make a jersey and ship it to the United States for $20-$30, why can't we do the same in the US? I'll tell you why - it's called price gauging. That's why it's "illegal." Are you kidding me? American businesses do this all the time! Farmers are getting a fraction of what they used to get because companies are importing wheat and sugar. But we can't buy a fricken jersey? Again, are you effing kidding me?

This is stupid, the people in this thread bitching about people buying fakes and all that are probably the people that download illegal music and software programs.

Actually, that has less than nothing to do with the topic here.

I think that many people who choose to download music illegally at least recognize that they are committing a crime and that it's wrong, they just choose to do it anyway. That doesn't make it right, but at least (IMO) most of these people do understand right from wrong in this case and choose to do wrong. In the case of counterfeit jerseys, many of you idiots really don't understand why it's wrong and illegal, and that it can hurt someone. Some of you are actually making the point that it's right to do it. I couldn't really care less if someone knows the situation and then still chooses to do something wrong (and deals with the consequences if caught... though there aren't many legal consequences to buying a fake jersey) but it does bother me that there exist people who simply don't get that it is wrong, it is stealing, and it is illegal. Plus it's dumb to come on a board that is frequented by companies who actually produce some of the designs that are being stolen. But considering that these days 80% of this board is either 10-year-old kids, people who come here just to talk about how great Jesus is, or just general idiots, I'm not surprised by the lack of common sense.

I read his post, and it didn't address my double standard concerns.

It's simple. There is no double standard, and the only concern you should have is whether or not you're going to be able to get a job and support yourself or if your low intelligence level will require you to have constant care even as an adult.

I don't mean to pile on here or "chest thump", but seriously - after reading your post, I really don't think that you're equipped to participate in this discussion.

I guess the concern in the example here is whether you're going to spend $20 or $100 on a football jersey while feeding your family and hoping you keep your job. No, I understand completely. It's you that I'm concerned with. And with your obvious strong feelings towards knock off jerseys and your willingness to try and use belittlement tactics while arguing your point, I would wonder who, in fact, has the higher intelligence level here.

That said, I'm respectfully leaving this forum. No need for you to respond.

[Lights Out]

Nobody's entitled to a jersey from their favorite team. If you're worried about feeding your family and keeping your job, something tells me that a sports jersey would not be a purchase you would make, whether it costs $20 or $100.

[nash61]

[BBTV]

I don't understand why everyone is so against someone buying a knock-off? Maybe I'm missing something, but if someone wants a jersey for their favorite team and doesn't want to spend $80-$100 for a replica that looks like crap and doesn't have the money to buy a $200-$300 authentic jersey, why is getting a $20 knock off such a bad thing? Who are these consumers hurting? The businesses that charge $80-$100 for something that costs all of $3 to manufacture? The business who charges $300 for something that costs them $30 to manufacture? If the Chinese can make a jersey and ship it to the United States for $20-$30, why can't we do the same in the US? I'll tell you why - it's called price gauging. That's why it's "illegal." Are you kidding me? American businesses do this all the time! Farmers are getting a fraction of what they used to get because companies are importing wheat and sugar. But we can't buy a fricken jersey? Again, are you effing kidding me?

This is stupid, the people in this thread bitching about people buying fakes and all that are probably the people that download illegal music and software programs.

Actually, that has less than nothing to do with the topic here.

I think that many people who choose to download music illegally at least recognize that they are committing a crime and that it's wrong, they just choose to do it anyway. That doesn't make it right, but at least (IMO) most of these people do understand right from wrong in this case and choose to do wrong. In the case of counterfeit jerseys, many of you idiots really don't understand why it's wrong and illegal, and that it can hurt someone. Some of you are actually making the point that it's right to do it. I couldn't really care less if someone knows the situation and then still chooses to do something wrong (and deals with the consequences if caught... though there aren't many legal consequences to buying a fake jersey) but it does bother me that there exist people who simply don't get that it is wrong, it is stealing, and it is illegal. Plus it's dumb to come on a board that is frequented by companies who actually produce some of the designs that are being stolen. But considering that these days 80% of this board is either 10-year-old kids, people who come here just to talk about how great Jesus is, or just general idiots, I'm not surprised by the lack of common sense.

I read his post, and it didn't address my double standard concerns.

It's simple. There is no double standard, and the only concern you should have is whether or not you're going to be able to get a job and support yourself or if your low intelligence level will require you to have constant care even as an adult.

I don't mean to pile on here or "chest thump", but seriously - after reading your post, I really don't think that you're equipped to participate in this discussion.

I guess the concern in the example here is whether you're going to spend $20 or $100 on a football jersey while feeding your family and hoping you keep your job. No, I understand completely. It's you that I'm concerned with. And with your obvious strong feelings towards knock off jerseys and your willingness to try and use belittlement tactics while arguing your point, I would wonder who, in fact, has the higher intelligence level here.

That said, I'm respectfully leaving this forum. No need for you to respond.

If you're worried about feeding your family and hoping you keep your job, then if you even spend $20 on a football jersey you should be locked up and have your kids taken away from you because you clearly do not possess the judgment necessary to be a successful parent.

I do not use belittlement tactics while arguing my point. I argue my point, and then use belittlement tactics to attack and humiliate my fallen opponents. It's kind of like driving methodically down the field, punching it in the end zone, then flipping off your helmet and dancing all over your opponents logo in the end zone. If this was a role-playing exercise, you would be playing the role of the logo.

[BBTV]

It's simple. There is no double standard, and the only concern you should have is whether or not you're going to be able to get a job and support yourself or if your low intelligence level will require you to have constant care even as an adult.

???

I know plenty of intelligent people who are unemployed or (or severely underemployed) due to reasons that are for the most part not their fault.

Our statements are not in contradiction with each other.

[crashcarson15]

So much wrong with this one: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Larry-Johnson-1992-93-CHARLOTTE-HORNETS-Jersey-/260726230292?pt=US_Basketball_Fan_Shop&hash=item3cb47e8d14

Sad thing is, the guy's sold so many of these and a grand total of 2 people have noticed things wrong with it.

[BlueSky]

Please stop trying to make whatever point you're trying to make by posting pics of bad NFL knockoffs since they're no worse than what the league itself puts on the field. Before Techfit came along, if somebody bought an "authentic" identical to Addai's game jersey from www.cheapchineseripoffjerseysthatreallypissofficecapandco.com and posted it here, you guys would have torn it and the poster apart while LYAO all the while.

We had another whole discussion over the Giants' widely disparate pants stripes. If you think the NFL is concerned about visual integrity, you're wrong.

What we have here is relative morality. We could list illegal acts and the percentage of people who believe that act is wrong would vary from act to act. Murder for example, probably 99.9% or better believe it's wrong. Rolling through a stop sign (which irritates the hell out of me when people do it btw), the percentage would obviously be very different. We can agree it's illegal, but is it wrong? That's where Ice Cap and crowd's black and white fades to gray IMO.

[nash61]

Please stop trying to make whatever point you're trying to make by posting pics of bad NFL knockoffs since they're no worse than what the league itself puts on the field, as evidence by the earlier Addai pic. Before Techfit hit the field, if somebody bought an "authentic" identical to Addai's game jersey from www.cheapchineseripoffjerseysthatreallypissofficecapandco.com and posted it here, you guys would have torn it and the poster apart while LYAO all the while.

We had another whole discussion over the Giants' widely disparate pants stripes. If you think the NFL is concerned about visual integrity, you're wrong.

My bad. I shall stick to NHL, MLB, and NBA

The point of this thread is not to be a debate forum for whether or not Chinese counterfeits are ethical to buy, this is supposed to be a photo gallery of how bad they suck.

[charger77]

The point of this thread is not to be a debate forum for whether or not Chinese counterfeits are ethical to buy, this is supposed to be a photo gallery of how bad they suck.

Can't it be both?

[BlueSky]

Please stop trying to make whatever point you're trying to make by posting pics of bad NFL knockoffs since they're no worse than what the league itself puts on the field, as evidence by the earlier Addai pic. Before Techfit hit the field, if somebody bought an "authentic" identical to Addai's game jersey from www.cheapchineseripoffjerseysthatreallypissofficecapandco.com and posted it here, you guys would have torn it and the poster apart while LYAO all the while.

We had another whole discussion over the Giants' widely disparate pants stripes. If you think the NFL is concerned about visual integrity, you're wrong.

My bad. I shall stick to NHL, MLB, and NBA

The point of this thread is not to be a debate forum for whether or not Chinese counterfeits are ethical to buy, this is supposed to be a photo gallery of how bad they suck.

Well, that aside...

You're right, the right vs. wrong debate did kinda hijack the thread.

[BBTV]

Please stop trying to make whatever point you're trying to make by posting pics of bad NFL knockoffs since they're no worse than what the league itself puts on the field. Before Techfit came along, if somebody bought an "authentic" identical to Addai's game jersey from www.cheapchineseripoffjerseysthatreallypissofficecapandco.com and posted it here, you guys would have torn it and the poster apart while LYAO all the while.

We had another whole discussion over the Giants' widely disparate pants stripes. If you think the NFL is concerned about visual integrity, you're wrong.

What we have here is relative morality. We could list illegal acts and the percentage of people who believe that act is wrong would vary from act to act. Murder for example, probably 99.9% or better believe it's wrong. Rolling through a stop sign (which irritates the hell out of me when people do it btw), the percentage would obviously be very different. We can agree it's illegal, but is it wrong? That's where Ice Cap and crowd's black and white fades to gray IMO.

Explain to me how stealing isn't wrong?

[BlueSky]

Please stop trying to make whatever point you're trying to make by posting pics of bad NFL knockoffs since they're no worse than what the league itself puts on the field. Before Techfit came along, if somebody bought an "authentic" identical to Addai's game jersey from www.cheapchineseripoffjerseysthatreallypissofficecapandco.com and posted it here, you guys would have torn it and the poster apart while LYAO all the while.

We had another whole discussion over the Giants' widely disparate pants stripes. If you think the NFL is concerned about visual integrity, you're wrong.

What we have here is relative morality. We could list illegal acts and the percentage of people who believe that act is wrong would vary from act to act. Murder for example, probably 99.9% or better believe it's wrong. Rolling through a stop sign (which irritates the hell out of me when people do it btw), the percentage would obviously be very different. We can agree it's illegal, but is it wrong? That's where Ice Cap and crowd's black and white fades to gray IMO.

Explain to me how stealing isn't wrong?

Explain to me how Joe Sixpack (i.e. not Joe CCSLC Uninerd), or somebody's grandma whose been told Johnny wants a jersey for Christmas, is "stealing" when they go to eBay or what looks to them like a legit website and buys what turns out to be a knockoff? How do people openly sell knockoffs of everything from Coach purses to Vuitton luggage to Rolexes on the streets of New York City if it's so illegal?

[charger77]

Explain to me how Joe Sixpack (i.e. not Joe CCSLC Uninerd), or somebody's grandma whose been told Johnny wants a jersey for Christmas, is "stealing" when they go to eBay or what looks to them like a legit website and buys what turns out to be a knockoff?

Knowing you are buying an illegal knockoff and having absolutely no clue that you are a two different things, but that has not been the argument in this thread.

How do people openly sell knockoffs of everything from Coach purses to Vuitton luggage to Rolexes on the streets of New York City if it's so illegal?

Just because many get away with it does not make it less illegal.

[BBTV]

Explain to me how Joe Sixpack (i.e. not Joe CCSLC Uninerd), or somebody's grandma whose been told Johnny wants a jersey for Christmas, is "stealing" when they go to eBay or what looks to them like a legit website and buys what turns out to be a knockoff?

Knowing you are buying an illegal knockoff and having absolutely no clue that you are a two different things, but that has not been the argument in this thread.

How do people openly sell knockoffs of everything from Coach purses to Vuitton luggage to Rolexes on the streets of New York City if it's so illegal?

Just because many get away with it does not make it less illegal.

Right on both counts. No disrespect BlueSky, because you're generally a pretty reasonable and intelligent poster (if not just a tad Saints-centric ), but I'm having a tough time at this point deciding if you are just trying to keep the debate going at any cost, or if you really don't understand the differences between the situations you posted and what we've been discussing here.

[BlueSky]

Explain to me how Joe Sixpack (i.e. not Joe CCSLC Uninerd), or somebody's grandma whose been told Johnny wants a jersey for Christmas, is "stealing" when they go to eBay or what looks to them like a legit website and buys what turns out to be a knockoff?

Knowing you are buying an illegal knockoff and having absolutely no clue that you are a two different things, but that has not been the argument in this thread.

How do people openly sell knockoffs of everything from Coach purses to Vuitton luggage to Rolexes on the streets of New York City if it's so illegal?

Just because many get away with it does not make it less illegal.

Right on both counts. No disrespect BlueSky, because you're generally a pretty reasonable and intelligent poster (if not just a tad Saints-centric ), but I'm having a tough time at this point deciding if you are just trying to keep the debate going at any cost, or if you really don't understand the differences between the situations you posted and what we've been discussing here.

Neither, it's just not as black and white to me as it seems to be to the rest of you. I also think there are valid points about people bitching about horrific knockoffs when some of the crap the actual players are wearing is just as bad or worse.

[mcrosby]

This next image is from NFL Shop. If you are worried about the integrity of these 'counterfeit' jerseys then you should also be worried about 'official' jerseys as well. Turns out the Packers collar is not solid white. Seriously NFL, if you want to stop the counterfeiting, get your own together first.

[Brass]

This next image is from NFL Shop. If you are worried about the integrity of these 'counterfeit' jerseys then you should also be worried about 'official' jerseys as well. Turns out the Packers collar is not solid white. Seriously NFL, if you want to stop the counterfeiting, get your own together first.

LOL computer-generated jerseys!

[Buster]

This is stupid, the people in this thread bitching about people buying fakes and all that are probably the people that download illegal music and software programs.

Actually I don't download music illegally.

You're using a Transformers avatar. Did you get prior written consent from the creators?

[Buster]

What the hell is THIS!

Ha...nice selection:

http://www.2010footballjerseys.net/nfl/Football-Jerseys-68_p1.html

[IceCap]

This is stupid, the people in this thread bitching about people buying fakes and all that are probably the people that download illegal music and software programs.

Actually I don't download music illegally.

You're using a Transformers avatar. Did you get prior written consent from the creators?

Do you have written consent from the Washington Redskins and/or Sean Taylor?

Fact is that Hasbro, TakaraTomy, Paramount, and Dreamworks have released sets of Transformers imagery, including the Decepticon logo in my avatar, to be used free of charge for use as message board and IM avatars. I could stick a picture of Optimus Prime's face in my avatar space and it would be ok because the owners of the Transformers brand have made it clear they have no issue with people using their IP in such a manner.

Really, though, you're just trying another variation on the same tactic. To try and deflect the issue. What I do is unimportant. The topic of the thread is counterfeit jerseys. Everything else, as far as this thread is concerned, does not matter. At all.

Like BBTV said. If you know it's wrong to support intellectual property theft and you do so anyway then go ahead. The total failure of people here to even recognize that it's wrong is baffling at best and downright sad at worst.

This next image is from NFL Shop. If you are worried about the integrity of these 'counterfeit' jerseys then you should also be worried about 'official' jerseys as well. Turns out the Packers collar is not solid white. Seriously NFL, if you want to stop the counterfeiting, get your own together first.

I think we've covered this before.

Late in the season, when they've run out of white jerseys for teams that go far in the playoffs, they simply take blank Raiders white jerseys and put the appropriate stripes and numbers on them. Hence you'll have disparities like this.