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The Big Ol' Counterfeit Jersey Thread

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Ok, I have to admit it to someone. I broke down and bought two fakes today. An Aaron Rodgers green jersey with the Super Bowl patch and a Bucs red Josh Freeman jersey. I have a few fakes that I purchased from fan fests that looked so spot on it was hard to initially tell they were fake (Peyton and Eli Super Bowl jerseys), and I have one or two I've bought that look pretty iffy but I haven't been able to find that particular player anywhere else (Mike Alstott white, my absolute favorite player of all time). I expect the Aaron Rodgers jersey to be really close, and the Freeman jersey to be a bit spotty, but still not awful.

I know the objections, and I agree with a lot of the points. But IMO the quality of fan jerseys have plummeted over the years and the price has done nothing but go up. When I saw the Gronkowski jersey that was posted in a thread earlier that was a terribly flimsy screen printed jersey that cost $100 or more it really outraged me. A bunch of you won't agree with my decision to support the fake market, and I don't blame you. But when there is a wider selection of jerseys available than the NFL shop offers, and when the quality is miles better than the screen printed shirts they offer for 1/5 of the price, it's hard to turn down. With all of the negatives of the counterfeit world, I hope it at least forces the NFL to offer a quality product for a more reasonable price. The market is so monopolized on jerseys it's almost insulting what they charge for such low quality crap. I know it's a rogue market with a TON of problems, but I hope it can at least force the NFL's hand in offering quality products.

I'm not trying to convince anyone, and I know some of you will always be firmly against the idea, and your entitled to feel that way and rightfully should. But for as bad as these fake markets are, I like that they at least give people the choice and maybe in some inadvertent way, it can be a good thing. If the quality was better and the price was more reasonable, I would never turn to the fake jersey market.

Not that I care one way or another what you do with your money. I'll tell you that if you like details you will probably not be happy with the Freeman jersey. The ship patches on the arms of the fake ones look really bad. You can easily tell they're a fakes, which might not be a big deal what other people think, but it would bother me personally that they look so bad. The Buccaneers scrips on the center chest usually looks really bad too.

You can get away with fakes with teams like the Packers and Colts and Raiders, teams like that. But with detailed patches and scripts like the Bucs, that is when you can really tell the poor quality.

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Ok, I have to admit it to someone. I broke down and bought two fakes today. An Aaron Rodgers green jersey with the Super Bowl patch and a Bucs red Josh Freeman jersey. I have a few fakes that I purchased from fan fests that looked so spot on it was hard to initially tell they were fake (Peyton and Eli Super Bowl jerseys), and I have one or two I've bought that look pretty iffy but I haven't been able to find that particular player anywhere else (Mike Alstott white, my absolute favorite player of all time). I expect the Aaron Rodgers jersey to be really close, and the Freeman jersey to be a bit spotty, but still not awful.

I know the objections, and I agree with a lot of the points. But IMO the quality of fan jerseys have plummeted over the years and the price has done nothing but go up. When I saw the Gronkowski jersey that was posted in a thread earlier that was a terribly flimsy screen printed jersey that cost $100 or more it really outraged me. A bunch of you won't agree with my decision to support the fake market, and I don't blame you. But when there is a wider selection of jerseys available than the NFL shop offers, and when the quality is miles better than the screen printed shirts they offer for 1/5 of the price, it's hard to turn down. With all of the negatives of the counterfeit world, I hope it at least forces the NFL to offer a quality product for a more reasonable price. The market is so monopolized on jerseys it's almost insulting what they charge for such low quality crap. I know it's a rogue market with a TON of problems, but I hope it can at least force the NFL's hand in offering quality products.

I'm not trying to convince anyone, and I know some of you will always be firmly against the idea, and your entitled to feel that way and rightfully should. But for as bad as these fake markets are, I like that they at least give people the choice and maybe in some inadvertent way, it can be a good thing. If the quality was better and the price was more reasonable, I would never turn to the fake jersey market.

Not that I care one way or another what you do with your money. I'll tell you that if you like details you will probably not be happy with the Freeman jersey. The ship patches on the arms of the fake ones look really bad. You can easily tell they're a fakes, which might not be a big deal what other people think, but it would bother me personally that they look so bad. The Buccaneers scrips on the center chest usually looks really bad too.

You can get away with fakes with teams like the Packers and Colts and Raiders, teams like that. But with detailed patches and scripts like the Bucs, that is when you can really tell the poor quality.

Frankly, it doesn't bother me all that much. For $20 you get what you pay for. I'd rather have a fully stitched jersey that doesn't look 100% correct that was cheap than have a screen printed jersey that begins to fall apart after two washes that was 5 to 6 times the price.

I know the objections, and I agree with a lot of the points. But IMO the quality of fan jerseys have plummeted over the years and the price has done nothing but go up.

...and this infringes on your constitutional right to own a Packers jersey?

When did I ever say that?

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Ok, I have to admit it to someone. I broke down and bought two fakes today. An Aaron Rodgers green jersey with the Super Bowl patch and a Bucs red Josh Freeman jersey. I have a few fakes that I purchased from fan fests that looked so spot on it was hard to initially tell they were fake (Peyton and Eli Super Bowl jerseys), and I have one or two I've bought that look pretty iffy but I haven't been able to find that particular player anywhere else (Mike Alstott white, my absolute favorite player of all time). I expect the Aaron Rodgers jersey to be really close, and the Freeman jersey to be a bit spotty, but still not awful.

I know the objections, and I agree with a lot of the points. But IMO the quality of fan jerseys have plummeted over the years and the price has done nothing but go up. When I saw the Gronkowski jersey that was posted in a thread earlier that was a terribly flimsy screen printed jersey that cost $100 or more it really outraged me. A bunch of you won't agree with my decision to support the fake market, and I don't blame you. But when there is a wider selection of jerseys available than the NFL shop offers, and when the quality is miles better than the screen printed shirts they offer for 1/5 of the price, it's hard to turn down. With all of the negatives of the counterfeit world, I hope it at least forces the NFL to offer a quality product for a more reasonable price. The market is so monopolized on jerseys it's almost insulting what they charge for such low quality crap. I know it's a rogue market with a TON of problems, but I hope it can at least force the NFL's hand in offering quality products.

I'm not trying to convince anyone, and I know some of you will always be firmly against the idea, and your entitled to feel that way and rightfully should. But for as bad as these fake markets are, I like that they at least give people the choice and maybe in some inadvertent way, it can be a good thing. If the quality was better and the price was more reasonable, I would never turn to the fake jersey market.

Not that I care one way or another what you do with your money. I'll tell you that if you like details you will probably not be happy with the Freeman jersey. The ship patches on the arms of the fake ones look really bad. You can easily tell they're a fakes, which might not be a big deal what other people think, but it would bother me personally that they look so bad. The Buccaneers scrips on the center chest usually looks really bad too.

You can get away with fakes with teams like the Packers and Colts and Raiders, teams like that. But with detailed patches and scripts like the Bucs, that is when you can really tell the poor quality.

Frankly, it doesn't bother me all that much. For $20 you get what you pay for. I'd rather have a fully stitched jersey that doesn't look 100% correct that was cheap than have a screen printed jersey that begins to fall apart after two washes that was 5 to 6 times the price.

I know the objections, and I agree with a lot of the points. But IMO the quality of fan jerseys have plummeted over the years and the price has done nothing but go up.

...and this infringes on your constitutional right to own a Packers jersey?

When did I ever say that?

Makes sense, just wanted to give you a heads up in case it would be something that would irritate you after you got it, not sure if you were aware.

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Ok, I have to admit it to someone. I broke down and bought two fakes today. An Aaron Rodgers green jersey with the Super Bowl patch and a Bucs red Josh Freeman jersey. I have a few fakes that I purchased from fan fests that looked so spot on it was hard to initially tell they were fake (Peyton and Eli Super Bowl jerseys), and I have one or two I've bought that look pretty iffy but I haven't been able to find that particular player anywhere else (Mike Alstott white, my absolute favorite player of all time). I expect the Aaron Rodgers jersey to be really close, and the Freeman jersey to be a bit spotty, but still not awful.

I know the objections, and I agree with a lot of the points. But IMO the quality of fan jerseys have plummeted over the years and the price has done nothing but go up. When I saw the Gronkowski jersey that was posted in a thread earlier that was a terribly flimsy screen printed jersey that cost $100 or more it really outraged me. A bunch of you won't agree with my decision to support the fake market, and I don't blame you. But when there is a wider selection of jerseys available than the NFL shop offers, and when the quality is miles better than the screen printed shirts they offer for 1/5 of the price, it's hard to turn down. With all of the negatives of the counterfeit world, I hope it at least forces the NFL to offer a quality product for a more reasonable price. The market is so monopolized on jerseys it's almost insulting what they charge for such low quality crap. I know it's a rogue market with a TON of problems, but I hope it can at least force the NFL's hand in offering quality products.

I'm not trying to convince anyone, and I know some of you will always be firmly against the idea, and your entitled to feel that way and rightfully should. But for as bad as these fake markets are, I like that they at least give people the choice and maybe in some inadvertent way, it can be a good thing. If the quality was better and the price was more reasonable, I would never turn to the fake jersey market.

Not that I care one way or another what you do with your money. I'll tell you that if you like details you will probably not be happy with the Freeman jersey. The ship patches on the arms of the fake ones look really bad. You can easily tell they're a fakes, which might not be a big deal what other people think, but it would bother me personally that they look so bad. The Buccaneers scrips on the center chest usually looks really bad too.

You can get away with fakes with teams like the Packers and Colts and Raiders, teams like that. But with detailed patches and scripts like the Bucs, that is when you can really tell the poor quality.

Well my Ray Lewis jersey is 6 years old now, gets worn every game day and quite a few other days. I have out grown it, so the lovely wears it quite a bit now. And it has held up great...aside from a few wing stains and some BBQ spots on the front is is a great shirt and a better value. Piracy and IP theft caused the music industry to reign in the prices of the CD's and DVD's I hope this does the same. And I will even post pictures of what a 6 year old Chinese knock off looks like...

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About the only thing I noticed was the inside collar where in would say NFL Authentic on the silver tape is worn...but for a shirt that has 180 wearings and 181 washings...I washed it 1 time before I wore it. I would say for $20 it has held up well for 6 years.

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About the only thing I noticed was the inside collar where in would say NFL Authentic on the silver tape is worn...but for a shirt that has 180 wearings and 181 washings...I washed it 1 time before I wore it. I would say for $20 it has held up well for 6 years.

Wow, nice quality. 6 years? I'd say you made a great purchase here. I wouldn't know that was a fake, and neither would most people.

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Wow, nice quality. 6 years? I'd say you made a great purchase here. I wouldn't know that was a fake, and neither would most people.

Except that everything about it screams "fake." The jersey mesh, bubbly numbers, shoddy sleeve logo and super-tight neck.

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Wow, nice quality. 6 years? I'd say you made a great purchase here. I wouldn't know that was a fake, and neither would most people.

Except that everything about it screams "fake." The jersey mesh, bubbly numbers, shoddy sleeve logo and super-tight neck.

It's lasted 6 years. You put a replica through a fourth as many wash cycles and it's destroyed. And people wonder why anyone would buy fakes...

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Wow, nice quality. 6 years? I'd say you made a great purchase here. I wouldn't know that was a fake, and neither would most people.

Except that everything about it screams "fake." The jersey mesh, bubbly numbers, shoddy sleeve logo and super-tight neck.

It's lasted 6 years. You put a replica through a fourth as many wash cycles and it's destroyed. And people wonder why anyone would buy fakes...

I'd rather look good for a year and a half than cheap for six?

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Wow, nice quality. 6 years? I'd say you made a great purchase here. I wouldn't know that was a fake, and neither would most people.

Except that everything about it screams "fake." The jersey mesh, bubbly numbers, shoddy sleeve logo and super-tight neck.

It's lasted 6 years. You put a replica through a fourth as many wash cycles and it's destroyed. And people wonder why anyone would buy fakes...

I'd rather look good for a year and a half than cheap for six?

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Why worry about ruining something in the wash if it looks like complete crap to begin with?

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Wow, nice quality. 6 years? I'd say you made a great purchase here. I wouldn't know that was a fake, and neither would most people.

Except that everything about it screams "fake." The jersey mesh, bubbly numbers, shoddy sleeve logo and super-tight neck.

It's lasted 6 years. You put a replica through a fourth as many wash cycles and it's destroyed. And people wonder why anyone would buy fakes...

I've got 5 or 6 replicas that I've washed 30 or so times that look like they are brand new still.

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Wow, nice quality. 6 years? I'd say you made a great purchase here. I wouldn't know that was a fake, and neither would most people.

Except that everything about it screams "fake." The jersey mesh, bubbly numbers, shoddy sleeve logo and super-tight neck.

It's lasted 6 years. You put a replica through a fourth as many wash cycles and it's destroyed. And people wonder why anyone would buy fakes...

I've got 5 or 6 replicas that I've washed 30 or so times that look like they are brand new still.

I have something like 15 replica NFL jerseys, and a few I've had for six or more years and they've been through 50-100 washes a piece. They all look fantastic and two of them have very minor wear but they've held up and I still wear them.

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if you're going to wear it THAT much over such an extended period of time (especially for a player like Ray Ray)... just get an authentic...?

Also, yes it looks awful. Sleeve logo is terrible, bubbly numbers with an inconsistant stroke, and the mesh as said previously.

Bleh.

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The waviness of the numbers and stitching pattern is a give away too.

I have NHL jerseys that are 15-20 years old that are legits that look as good now as they did brand new.

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I will never see any value in buying a fake, ESPECIALLY one with a patch. Far too often I see blue Vikes jerseys with the ship patch and have to hold back vomit.

Not a patch moron...direct embroidery...and to every one of you out there. The numbers were not "bubbly" when I got it ...it was 6 years of wear and tear. You you guys could not tell a fake from a real one if it hit you in the nose. And NOT a single one of you own a "real" jersey unless you got it from the locker rooms...they are all replicas...some cost $300 and some cost $20 and they are made by the same people on the same production line in China or S. Korea. And you can argue IP theft all you want. But when you do...make sure you never photocopied a page from a text book, or downloaded a song from the net...or copied a song off a friends CD. Quit trying to justify dropping a half a car payment on a shirt then realizing ... :censored: I could have gotten the same for $20. This was in response to a post about how they "fall apart in the wash"...BULL :censored:! And I wanna see a NFL locker room jersey that has been washed 180 times and worn for 6 years. Guess what...they don't exist...because they all get new ones every season. And I want ONE...just ONE of you to post a "authentic" Ravens jersey that is 6 years old...with 180 washes....and let's compare. I doubt it will happen...because it would look just like this one...and you will have proven my point. So please...anyone of you post your 6 year old well worn $250-300 jersey on here, and lets just see the quality over time...because this is what it was all about.

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I will never see any value in buying a fake, ESPECIALLY one with a patch. Far too often I see blue Vikes jerseys with the ship patch and have to hold back vomit.

Not a patch moron...direct embroidery...and to every one of you out there. The numbers were not "bubbly" when I got it ...it was 6 years of wear and tear. You you guys could not tell a fake from a real one if it hit you in the nose. And NOT a single one of you own a "real" jersey unless you got it from the locker rooms...they are all replicas...some cost $300 and some cost $20 and they are made by the same people on the same production line in China or S. Korea. And you can argue IP theft all you want. But when you do...make sure you never photocopied a page from a text book, or downloaded a song from the net...or copied a song off a friends CD. Quit trying to justify dropping a half a car payment on a shirt then realizing ... :censored: I could have gotten the same for $20. This was in response to a post about how they "fall apart in the wash"...BULL :censored:! And I wanna see a NFL locker room jersey that has been washed 180 times and worn for 6 years. Guess what...they don't exist...because they all get new ones every season. And I want ONE...just ONE of you to post a "authentic" Ravens jersey that is 6 years old...with 180 washes....and let's compare. I doubt it will happen...because it would look just like this one...and you will have proven my point. So please...anyone of you post your 6 year old well worn $250-300 jersey on here, and lets just see the quality over time...because this is what it was all about.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. My 'patch' comment was directed to Bucfan56.

I would MUCH rather (and currently) have a 'Premier.' anyway. Looks better since I won't be wearing shoulder pads under it, colors are right, and the logos aren't sloppy. IF I were to be buying a 'show piece,' of course I would go authentic. Fakes just look fake, it's an inherent quality every one of them has... the few you can't tell from across the room all have their glaring mistakes when you take a second look.

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NicktheRipper has a point, that I stated before. Sleeve patches look awful on fakes. And he's a moron because he said it's a patch? Direct emrboidery, patch, we know what we are all talking about. The logo affixed in someway onto the sleeve that has some detail to it.

When I get past the fact that I HATE the Ravens and HATE that worthless loud mouthed criminal Ray Lewis...the jersey doesn't look good.

The logos on the sleeves and font on the chest, just like with the Bucs, looks like crap. It's very obvious it's a fake to myself and probably most of us on here. Maybe not to a majority of fans, but it would bother me personally. It looks off, and that's despite the fact it's that bum on the jersey.

If you can't afford an authentic, don't buy it. Seems rather simple. No one NEEDS a jersey, let alone an authentic.

I don't buy at all that your fake is better quality. Most are the same crap made in the same places, but there has to be a reason, other than the legal reasons, why it's so much cheaper. The material may be similar, but the details which I find to be worth paying for are costly.

You aren't a better fan because most people think you have an "authentic" jersey, and yes they are authentic style. Just not game issued.

Not to mention, in the perilous time this country is in, why not support your own country? It probably won't be much more considering, but buying from NFL Shop or your local sporting goods store does more to support your own country than the country that has taken plenty of our jobs and makes most of the products anyways.

You're way too pissy about a jersey dude. This is the beauty of capitalism. Anyone can purchase what they'd like with their own money. So no one has to have authetnic jerseys or spend more on a jersey. In that same sense, dealing in stolen property and purchasing known counterfit items are criminal in theory, before you try to argue you can buy whatever. Technically yes, but I prefer to remain under the confines of the law.

I only have 3 authentics, 2 football and 1 hockey, all real. The one Strahan authentic is now about 7 or 8 years (more than 6) old and looks amazing. I purchased it in FL when it was on a discount rack at a sporting goods store. No signs of wear or tear at all, it looks fantastic.

I'd rather not waste my time taking pictures and uploading them here to show you my real jersey, that is older and well worn looks much better than your fake jersey that isn't as old. But I may have to do that when I have time. I'm sure you'll have an excuse for it, so I'm not sure I'm going to bother.

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Wow, nice quality. 6 years? I'd say you made a great purchase here. I wouldn't know that was a fake, and neither would most people.

Except that everything about it screams "fake." The jersey mesh, bubbly numbers, shoddy sleeve logo and super-tight neck.

It's lasted 6 years. You put a replica through a fourth as many wash cycles and it's destroyed. And people wonder why anyone would buy fakes...

I'd rather look good for a year and a half than cheap for six?

Sorry, I think that replicas look like complete :censored:. No better than fakes IMO. And I'll say there are some absolutely glaringly AWFUL fakes. The ones I've picked up so far aren't that bad though. Like I said earlier, I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their opinions on the matter, and mine won't change much either. And like I said earlier, you get what you pay for. I personally would rather be spotted in a fake that cost me $20 than in a replica that cost 100-120 bucks. I can see why some would, no doubt. But it isn't that important to me.

And I've paid full price for a bunch of authentics too. Great looking shirts, but not worth the huge increase in price IMO.

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