ZionEagle Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 27 minutes ago, mdlesatz said: Before I get deep, there has been a lot of great work posted on here! I'm mad at myself for not keeping up with it! The last couple of posts have brought up a topic that I always struggle with. When do we as the artists own the work? I like to think that as soon as you put pen to paper (or pen tool to digital art board) you own that design. However, when you are doing a logo update you aren't creating a unique design, you are improving an existing one. So do you own the rights, or does the school? See Shepard Fairey's HOPE poster for example. I was always taught growing up that the only way to cheat in art is to put your name on someone else's work. Unfortunately, that's not how copyright laws work and it's not that easy to understand. In this case, someone clearly took Ren's logo and started using it for profit, which is definitely a no-no in my book. Im curious what Ren and others think on this topic, especially with the theme of this thread! You've brought up an interesting point I've never considered before. I'm not really sure where I stand on that. As an artist who puts time and effort into redoing these logos, I'd like to receive some sort of recognition for doing that logo. It's one thing if the original school is profiting off of one of my logos, I would be fine with that even if they only credited me by adding my name. But when a person who we're assuming is not connected to the school in any way, is profiting off of one of our logos I would consider it to be theft. The least that person could have done was ask for permission, but of course it seems like these days if a person sees a logo on google or what not they think it's fair game. That's my two cents on it. On another note, I finished a new vintage logo. This time it's the Denver Broncos, as requested by @ihaveno 6 Quote "Winners never quit, and quitters never win." ~Vince Lombardi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ren69 Posted September 4, 2016 Author Share Posted September 4, 2016 2 hours ago, mdlesatz said: Before I get deep, there has been a lot of great work posted on here! I'm mad at myself for not keeping up with it! The last couple of posts have brought up a topic that I always struggle with. When do we as the artists own the work? I like to think that as soon as you put pen to paper (or pen tool to digital art board) you own that design. However, when you are doing a logo update you aren't creating a unique design, you are improving an existing one. So do you own the rights, or does the school? See Shepard Fairey's HOPE poster for example. I was always taught growing up that the only way to cheat in art is to put your name on someone else's work. Unfortunately, that's not how copyright laws work and it's not that easy to understand. In this case, someone clearly took Ren's logo and started using it for profit, which is definitely a no-no in my book. Im curious what Ren and others think on this topic, especially with the theme of this thread! It's a very valid point to say we are simply updating pre existing logos which are property of their respective schools. However, these updates breath new life into those vintage marks which some would never think possible given the bad quality of the some of the original & sometimes only available image. With that being said, every image posted online always runs the risk of being used by someone out there for their own personal gain & I'm fully aware of that possibility. I'm sure if I spent countless hours online looking for more of my work being used I would probably find others but I just don't have the time or desire to do so and that's just on the internet. Imagine how many others are using our work right now but we will probably never know it because it can be a small town high school, elementary, etc. As a matter a fact I can tell you of one instance...We took a trip to San Antonio & went to Fiesta Texas. That day there was lots of schools there doing there summer trips, so they all wear their school spirit shirts. Guess what I saw? My Meridian CC Eagles logo I did for my other thread & that's an original logo of mine. I looked at my wife & I said "that's my logo on those kids tees" She was like..you did that for them? & I said nope. Her eyes opened up & she says..."they stole it" I just shrugged my shoulders & said looks that way. Then just went about our business. Like I said, it's impossible to police every single piece of artwork you post. All we can do is stamp our mark on it but again, If you post it...they will come & eventually one will take it. Some will tweak it a little & assume it's ok while others will just use it as is & call it a day. Bottom line is I don't lose sleep over the work I post online. I know the risk is there & very high but sometimes the reward is much greater. So...Yes, these logos are updates of someone elses artwork but the way I see it. If school's such as Eastern Illinois & Mott College are willing to purchase MY version of THEIR logos then others wanting to use my work for a profit should to. That's just my 2 cents, lol. Quote https://www.behance.net/Ren1969 https://twitter.com/Ren1969_Rene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ren69 Posted September 4, 2016 Author Share Posted September 4, 2016 6 Quote https://www.behance.net/Ren1969 https://twitter.com/Ren1969_Rene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihaveno Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 It was actually for Boise State, but it looks good either way since there's no name attached to it. Thank you! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdlesatz Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 I agree with both of you that there is a sense of sweat equity attached to our designs. The original design may not be ours, but the updated logo has a new feel and life which we created. It only gets tricky if money is involved. Take that stellar Florida Gators logo for example. I would 100% say that Ren should get any credit for the use of that logo...but can he sell shirts or hats with that on them? As a creative, I have a love hate relationship with copyrights if you couldn't tell! Great at work on both the Bronco and Gator! Maybe in my ever-elusive free time I'll try one or two to get back in the hang of illustrator. I may even have a couple that I started but never completed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionEagle Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 2 hours ago, ihaveno said: It was actually for Boise State, but it looks good either way since there's no name attached to it. Thank you! Oh lol. I thought for sure with the colors it was a Broncos logo Thanks for pointing that out. Quote "Winners never quit, and quitters never win." ~Vince Lombardi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionEagle Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 Just finished a Texas Tech revamp. Not sure if it's been done yet, but I did it regardless. Getting all of those points done in PowerPoint is super time consuming 4 Quote "Winners never quit, and quitters never win." ~Vince Lombardi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman14 Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 http://m.ebay.com/itm/112120700967?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368 This one bugs me not only because it is ren's work but in the description the seller is implying that the patch is "antique" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hettinger_rl Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 13 hours ago, Milkman14 said: http://m.ebay.com/itm/112120700967?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368 This one bugs me not only because it is ren's work but in the description the seller is implying that the patch is "antique" Yeah, I've been dealing with these sellers too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InkPark Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Wow!! really cool Feed!! love all the work! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InkPark Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Heres one of my remakes! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weapon X Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 This might have already been asked but could you do the 1980s and 90s logo please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Brooks Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 It's on Page 21. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionEagle Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 21 hours ago, InkPark said: Heres one of my remakes! Wow, what a fantastic update. That (hornet?) is infinitely better than the one they have now It's always great to see new talent come to the boards. Welcome to the forums @InkPark (Thanks for the dribbble follow, your page is awesome ) 2 Quote "Winners never quit, and quitters never win." ~Vince Lombardi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panthers_2012 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 2 hours ago, ZionEagle said: Wow, what a fantastic update. That (hornet?) is infinitely better than the one they have now It's always great to see new talent come to the boards. Welcome to the forums @InkPark (Thanks for the dribbble follow, your page is awesome ) It's a yellow jacket?!! Really good update! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. America Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 On 9/4/2016 at 7:26 PM, ZionEagle said: Just finished a Texas Tech revamp. Not sure if it's been done yet, but I did it regardless. Getting all of those points done in PowerPoint is super time consuming That's rather intriguing. It would be an interesting secondary logo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InkPark Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 THANKS! Really appreciate the Kind words! I love do my own version of the Sports logos. I try not to just take it and update it but just use it a reference. Like this KC one. Always loved there layout Just added my one twist or Flip! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionEagle Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 New update This time I tried to tackle the defunct NFL team, the Dayton Triangles (I believe this was first requested by @Darth Brooks) The most drastic change I made was to the face, cause lets face it (pun not intended ) that part of the logo needed a revamp. 7 Quote "Winners never quit, and quitters never win." ~Vince Lombardi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemdawg Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Could someone update the Memphis Showboats secondary logo? http://www.usflsite.com/boats.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Brooks Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 On 9/10/2016 at 0:41 PM, ZionEagle said: New update This time I tried to tackle the defunct NFL team, the Dayton Triangles (I believe this was first requested by @Darth Brooks) The most drastic change I made was to the face, cause lets face it (pun not intended ) that part of the logo needed a revamp. This is what I had done. It would be interesting to see a truly modern version - modern player, modern style. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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