wonderbread Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Eagles logo, 96-presentSome might say the Pats' Flying Elvis could've been the beginning, but the current Eagles logo was the trendsetter. First of all, I wouldn't even begin to try counting how many high schools and colleges' teams either use the eagle head recolored, or adopted a logo very obviously based on it. More to the point, it seemed like there were a lot of head logos that came out in the years afterwards.jaguars and panthers came out with their logos before the eagles came up with this didn't they? and wasn't really anything revolutionary because rams, vikes, ravens, cards, and pats (as you mentioned) had their head logos long before the eagles didYeah the Jags and Panthers had new modern head logos in 1995, before the Eagles set debuted in 1996. The Ravens head logo didn't materialize until 1999 (they had the winged shield until the lawsuit), and that was three years after the Eagles introduced their new logo. The Rams, Cards, and Vikes didn't have a modern head logo, though the Cardinals' old logo was probably the closest to what the Patriots, Eagles, and Broncos tried to copy and/or modernize. Yeah, it's true the Pats, Jags and Panthers' heads came before it (thus, Flying Elvis has the better claim to being the trendsetter), but the Eagle struck me as the most prominent example, largely due to how many high school and college teams use either a recolored version or something blatantly based on it, especially compared to the other three (I've seen a few tweaked Patriots logos, and IIRC some schools have used the old Jaguar head, but I can't think of anybody prominent who used the old Panthers head besides the Panthers themselves.)I was thinking this was relatively more recent trends...as far as powder blue in baseball, the Cubs may have been the pioneers of powder blue, but the only other light blue uni that came out in the 40s was the Dodgers' satin blue uniform, though that one is more associated with another short-lived trend of satin specials reserved for night games, which would somehow manage to find new life across the Atlantic when soccer teams first began playing night games (the thinking behind them was the same in both sports, though: it was thought that satin showed up better under the lights). Much like with names on the backs of jerseys, the White Sox have a much better claim of having been the trendsetters as far as powder blue goes, given how many other teams adopted the hue afterwards, and how long the trend lasted.And while the Broncos proudly own football's single most influential uniform, I raise you football's single most influential helmet...id say michigans is more influential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsfan1 Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 I can't really say that Minnesota started the whole vintage white bandwagon because that color has always been a distinct part of their scheme. In terms of using it solely to make the jersey look old, these guys were the first to set the trend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 I can't really say that Minnesota started the whole vintage white bandwagon because that color has always been a distinct part of their scheme. In terms of using it solely to make the jersey look old, these guys were the first to set the trend...No they weren't. That uniform they were throwing back to actually used beige as a colour. PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsfan1 Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Okay then. The year after that, the Sabres, Blue Jackets, Penguins, and Rangers all released alternates with vintage white elements, none of whom had a prior history of using that color. They were the original group of teams that tested it out, before everybody else jumped on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mojo Maniac Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 I think the Giants themselves started the "revival" of vintage white in baseball, and other sports followed suit. In the old days, and as late as the 60s, white flannel wool uniforms became so badly stained with dirt simply gained the "vintage white" hue from the tough ground-in dirt stains. Think of early color film from the 50s with Willie Mays and the eventual move to San Francisco. With the switch to polyester in the late 60-early 70s came cleaner white home unis. But when the Giants moved out of their (not so) sterile Candlestick Park (with the white uniforms to match), they decided to harken back to that sweet little vintage white look, which turned out to be a beautifully timeless fit with their new vintage style ballpark.I don't follow hockey much, but from what I can see, the "vintage white" trend didn't really spring up until sometime in the 2000s, by which time the Giants had already injected their vintage white look into baseball to begin the new millennium. Hockey, from my point of view, seemed to follow suit only once baseball got the ball rolling.In essence, the way I see it, vintage white has lived and died with the Giants. From San Berdoo to Kalamazoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discrim Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 And while the Broncos proudly own football's single most influential uniform, I raise you football's single most influential helmet...id say michigans is more influential We are at an impasse, it seems. True, many high school and college teams wear Michigan-style helmets to this day. However, U of M's "wings" are more of a remnant of a particular leather helmet design, and besides, wolverines don't fly If Michigan had been terrible for any extended period before it became part of the Big House experienceTM, that design would've died with the leather helmet. My argument: without Fred Gehrke painting horns on the Rams' helmets back in 1948, we don't have the Eagles' wings, or the Colts' horseshoe. We don't have the Chargers' lightning bolts, or Alabama's stripe and numbers. Ohio State's buckeye pride stickers or the Bengals' stripes. The Jacksonville Bulls' wraparound or Wisconsin's 60s front & back W's. Maybe somebody else would've had that vision, but we'll never know. A strong mind gets high off success, a weak mind gets high off bull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancealot Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 I can't really say that Minnesota started the whole vintage white bandwagon because that color has always been a distinct part of their scheme. In terms of using it solely to make the jersey look old, these guys were the first to set the trend...Such vintage.Much old.Very wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Boy Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 For their home opener in 2005, the Red Sox worse gold trimmed jerseys to celebrate their World Series win the year before. Other baseball teams teams since have incorporated gold into their jerseys following a World Serise win. The Miami Heat even jumped on the bandwagon following their last championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderbread Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Sleeve jerseys started with the golden state warriors. And Adidas has forced other teams to do so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidellias Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Who do you guy think would be responsible for the Matte finish trend in Football?Alsocant find a good pic, but 2001 San Diego State, the first ever use of a Gradiant on a helmet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Who do you guy think would be responsible for the Matte finish trend in Football?I think the matte finish actually started with college baseball and softball, then made its way over to football. If I'm not mistaken, Oregon had the first matte college football helmet (black with yellow O). Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 And while the Broncos proudly own football's single most influential uniform, I raise you football's single most influential helmet...id say michigans is more influential We are at an impasse, it seems. True, many high school and college teams wear Michigan-style helmets to this day. However, U of M's "wings" are more of a remnant of a particular leather helmet design, and besides, wolverines don't fly If Michigan had been terrible for any extended period before it became part of the Big House experienceTM, that design would've died with the leather helmet. My argument: without Fred Gehrke painting horns on the Rams' helmets back in 1948, we don't have the Eagles' wings, or the Colts' horseshoe. We don't have the Chargers' lightning bolts, or Alabama's stripe and numbers. Ohio State's buckeye pride stickers or the Bengals' stripes. The Jacksonville Bulls' wraparound or Wisconsin's 60s front & back W's. Maybe somebody else would've had that vision, but we'll never know.I don't see what the Rams' horns have to do with the Colts' horseshoe or Alabama's design or the Buckeye stickers. It seems like you're saying that nobody would have had the idea to decorate helmets if the Rams didn't do it. There is certainly a lineage that came from the Rams' helmets: eagle wings, bull horns, viking helmet horns, etc. I would even put the Bengals' stripes there, but the course of helmet history would have been mostly the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockey week Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 I think there is also a difference between "trend setting" and "the first."Case in point: Clint Benedict was the first to wear the goalie mask in the NHL, but he didn't keep it and nobody else adopted it. He was the first.Jacques Plante used the mask decades later, and others followed his lead. He set the trend.The New York Americans were the first to wear names on the backs of their sweaters, but they certainly didn't set the trend.Just something to keep in mind, if nobody followed them, they aren't a trend setter I'll respect any opinion that you can defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Eagles logo, 96-presentSome might say the Pats' Flying Elvis could've been the beginning, but the current Eagles logo was the trendsetter. First of all, I wouldn't even begin to try counting how many high schools and colleges' teams either use the eagle head recolored, or adopted a logo very obviously based on it. More to the point, it seemed like there were a lot of head logos that came out in the years afterwards.jaguars and panthers came out with their logos before the eagles came up with this didn't they? and wasn't really anything revolutionary because rams, vikes, ravens, cards, and pats (as you mentioned) had their head logos long before the eagles did Yeah the Jags and Panthers had new modern head logos in 1995, before the Eagles set debuted in 1996. The Ravens head logo didn't materialize until 1999 (they had the winged shield until the lawsuit), and that was three years after the Eagles introduced their new logo. The Rams, Cards, and Vikes didn't have a modern head logo, though the Cardinals' old logo was probably the closest to what the Patriots, Eagles, and Broncos tried to copy and/or modernize. Yeah, it's true the Pats, Jags and Panthers' heads came before it (thus, Flying Elvis has the better claim to being the trendsetter), but the Eagle struck me as the most prominent example, largely due to how many high school and college teams use either a recolored version or something blatantly based on it, especially compared to the other three (I've seen a few tweaked Patriots logos, and IIRC some schools have used the old Jaguar head, but I can't think of anybody prominent who used the old Panthers head besides the Panthers themselves.)I was thinking this was relatively more recent trends...as far as powder blue in baseball, the Cubs may have been the pioneers of powder blue, but the only other light blue uni that came out in the 40s was the Dodgers' satin blue uniform, though that one is more associated with another short-lived trend of satin specials reserved for night games, which would somehow manage to find new life across the Atlantic when soccer teams first began playing night games (the thinking behind them was the same in both sports, though: it was thought that satin showed up better under the lights). Much like with names on the backs of jerseys, the White Sox have a much better claim of having been the trendsetters as far as powder blue goes, given how many other teams adopted the hue afterwards, and how long the trend lasted.And while the Broncos proudly own football's single most influential uniform, I raise you football's single most influential helmet... id say michigans is more influential Michigan didn't invite the Michigan-style helmet design. Princeton did. PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csura999 Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 The first chrome helmet, I believe. Oregon in the Rose Bowl a few years back against Wisconsin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnysama Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Re: The last team to overhaul w/o using custom numbers: I believe it was the Buffalo Bills in 2011.Re:Re: The pullover jersey style in baseball: I may be in the minority, but that look shoulda caught on (the beltless pants are OK, but a belted trouser/pullover jersey combo is a nice compromise)..... as I've said before, Paul Lukas was right; it makes sense from a practical standpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Who do you guy think would be responsible for the Matte finish trend in Football? I think the matte finish actually started with college baseball and softball, then made its way over to football. If I'm not mistaken, Oregon had the first matte college football helmet (black with yellow O).The first matte helmet that comes to mind for me is the first Missouri Pro Combat helmet. It may not have been the very first matte helmet, but it was the first one that really made a name for itself IMO. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Who do you guy think would be responsible for the Matte finish trend in Football? I think the matte finish actually started with college baseball and softball, then made its way over to football. If I'm not mistaken, Oregon had the first matte college football helmet (black with yellow O).The first matte helmet that comes to mind for me is the first Missouri Pro Combat helmet. It may not have been the very first matte helmet, but it was the first one that really made a name for itself IMO.Yeah, good call. I believe Missouri introduced the matte helmet a year or two before Oregon. Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walby2 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 in the sports world it is the uniform manufacturers (Nike and adidas mostly) and the logo creators. again, that is Nike and adidas/Reebok but there are plenty of outside sources too. Bosack, Verlander, Davidson, Rickabaugh, etc. and a few agencies. but sports is always behind everything else. Nike and adidas isn't creating things like the DADA or Bauhaus movement, they're getting reports and ideas from graphic design trends and very much from fashion trends. if you want to see into the sports world future look to galleries like Dribbble and Behance and pay attention to whats going on in fashion from Paris, Miami, New York, Chicago, LA, etc. it might take 7 years for it to come around, but there's a good chance it will eventually. a lot of the minimalism you see in sports branding in the last 5 years or so was starting to happen about 10 years ago in graphic design when Web 2.0 style was dying. and as with any trends, one will lead to another. trends and movements are often done as rebellion against the previous one. the bright colors in sports during the 90s were replaced by darker ones partly because it was just different, but also to create a different brand personality. football especially made the adjustment to a more professional and "badass" look. the Buccaneers being the perfect example. the current vintage/retro obsession might be replaced by whatever is happening in web design in a few years. in CFB where we see loads of texture and color options, the next trend wave in response might be a super brand of minimalism. Excellent answer... thanks for the insight.It does seem like the elite teams or players in a sport tend to set the tone for what the others do. It's those top flight teams (Yankees, Leafs, historically the Cowboys, Lakers, etc.) that seem to get the most attention from designers at sportswear companies like Nike, Adidas, Reebok, etc. You don't often see teams like the Vikings, Hawks or Blues really setting many league-wide trends in design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinturner95 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Boise State Doing the oversized logo on one side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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