Tigers6884 Posted April 3, 2014 Author Share Posted April 3, 2014 That's not saying much, since Tampa Bay is hands-down the worst market in baseball and in the conversation for worst market in pro sports (which, given the competition, is pretty staggering). It is a pretty terrible market, but it's been the success story of the NHL in the sun belt. The Lightning have never had attendance problems. The team was atrocious for the first 10 years of its existence, but still managed to get 15,000 people in the stands. Since their cup win 10 years ago, they've pretty much been in the top half of the league in attendance including a few years in the top 5-10.“Success story" excluding Phoenix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerslionspistonshabs Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 That's not saying much, since Tampa Bay is hands-down the worst market in baseball and in the conversation for worst market in pro sports (which, given the competition, is pretty staggering). It is a pretty terrible market, but it's been the success story of the NHL in the sun belt. The Lightning have never had attendance problems. The team was atrocious for the first 10 years of its existence, but still managed to get 15,000 people in the stands. Since their cup win 10 years ago, they've pretty much been in the top half of the league in attendance including a few years in the top 5-10.“Success story" excluding Phoenix.Huh?I'm saying it's one of the sun belt teams that has thrived throughout their entire existence. The California teams really being the only others. Dallas, Phoenix, Florida, Nashville, Carolina to a lesser extent, Atlanta obviously, have all had, or have, major problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 I don't know about hockey, but Tampa Bay has been a failed baseball market. And as a baseball market, that failure ranks right up there with any bad market in any pro sport. That's what I meant. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigers6884 Posted April 5, 2014 Author Share Posted April 5, 2014 If (when) Montreal ever does bring back the Expos, which uniforms do you think they should use? Their originals with the pinwheel hats, or the 90s jerseys with the pinstripes? The same could be asked for the Nordiques. Classics or the unused uniforms with the teal and blue color?These: http://www.sportslogos.net/logos/view/elvx1ypthwdarz6j2decfkjzf/Montreal_Expos/1980/Home_Uniformvs. these: http://www.sportslogos.net/logos/view/flcubfehy7518zqqpdzffuhrl/Montreal_Expos/1992/Home_UniformAnd these: http://www.sportslogos.net/logos/view/jaemga78nbn19vz7k7fsgjtg7/Quebec_Nordiques/1992/Road_Uniformvs. these: http://www.sportslogos.net/logos/view/c72hgmvtcvxu8bmqvogo/Quebec_Nordiques/1996/Unused_Uniform Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerslionspistonshabs Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 90s set. I don't normally care much for gray roads, but....BEAUTY.But this would have to make an appearance as an alternateAnd the Nordiques would have to go with some sort of modernization of their original set. Even if they had stayed in Quebec City and rebranded to that purple/ teal husky crap, there would've been an uproar on a NY Islanders Fisherman scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 The 90s set is another one that would benefit from losing the white. Just red outlined in blue, or solid blue or red. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbadefense1990 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I don't know about hockey, but Tampa Bay has been a failed baseball market. And as a baseball market, that failure ranks right up there with any bad market in any pro sport. That's what I meant.How much of it this because of where The Trop is located and the demographics of such location (St. Petersburg)? I'm willing to bet that more people would see a Rays game if it were situated near the Times Forum or Raymond James. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawa666 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I'd use the 1969 whites and the 1992 grays.all with the blue capThen I'd ad the 1980 white set with pinwheel cap as an alt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I don't know about hockey, but Tampa Bay has been a failed baseball market. And as a baseball market, that failure ranks right up there with any bad market in any pro sport. That's what I meant.How much of it this because of where The Trop is located and the demographics of such location (St. Petersburg)? I'm willing to bet that more people would see a Rays game if it were situated near the Times Forum or Raymond James.That's what the apologists sometimes say. But I have no sympathy for anyone who can't make it to that ballpark to see one of the best teams in baseball. And yes, I've been there. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigers6884 Posted April 5, 2014 Author Share Posted April 5, 2014 You make some very valid points on topics.I don't know about hockey, but Tampa Bay has been a failed baseball market. And as a baseball market, that failure ranks right up there with any bad market in any pro sport. That's what I meant.How much of it this because of where The Trop is located and the demographics of such location (St. Petersburg)? I'm willing to bet that more people would see a Rays game if it were situated near the Times Forum or Raymond James.That's what the apologists sometimes say. But I have no sympathy for anyone who can't make it to that ballpark to see one of the best teams in baseball. And yes, I've been there. 90s set. I don't normally care much for gray roads, but....BEAUTY.But this would have to make an appearance as an alternateAnd the Nordiques would have to go with some sort of modernization of their original set. Even if they had stayed in Quebec City and rebranded to that purple/ teal husky crap, there would've been an uproar on a NY Islanders Fisherman scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Unfortunately, if Montreal gets another team, we would almost certainly get that awful logo back in the majors. Like the Walgreens "W". The Nats should have been able to make a clean start with a better logo, but sentiment (and easy availability of Cooperstown Collection caps for the press conference) carried the day. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigers6884 Posted April 5, 2014 Author Share Posted April 5, 2014 Unfortunately, if Montreal gets another team, we would almost certainly get that awful logo back in the majors. Like the Walgreens "W". The Nats should have been able to make a clean start with a better logo, but sentiment (and easy availability of Cooperstown Collection caps for the press conference) carried the day.Awful logo? What's so bad about the Expos logo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 It's a terrible logo. A formless shape that supposed to maybe look like an "M" but doesn't, and contains some other shapes that are definitely supposed to be letters and some other shapes that people think are letters but aren't. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 What would you do if the Washington Redskins changed their name and hired all gay players, but changed their name to the Expos and used that logo? ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderbread Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 What would you do if the Washington Redskins changed their name and hired all gay players, but changed their name to the Expos and used that logo?shoot dan Snyder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I'm sure there's a frightfully witty joke in there, but it's apparently beyond me. Unless you're trying to say that I have strong opinions on a variety of topics? In which case: The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigers6884 Posted April 6, 2014 Author Share Posted April 6, 2014 It's a terrible logo. A formless shape that supposed to maybe look like an "M" but doesn't, and contains some other shapes that are definitely supposed to be letters and some other shapes that people think are letters but aren't.I guess everyone just has their own opinions when it comes to logos. Personally, I love the Expos logo and think its a classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 True, but what do you love about it?I understand sentiment around the logo, but the design itself is so terrible, for the reasons I laid out above, that I'd be happier if it never saw a playing field again. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-kj Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 It's even less classic than the ball in glove. Buy some t-shirts and stuff at KJ Shop! KJ Branded | Behance portfolio POTD 2013-08-22 On 7/14/2012 at 2:20 AM, tajmccall said: When it comes to style, ya'll really should listen to Kev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFGiants58 Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Yeah, I'd be happy if that Expos logo never saw the light of day again. Maybe an updated version would be nice (like what the Hornets did). MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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