Qatar 2022 World Cup Discussion

[DG_ThenNowForever]

USMNT have a come-from-behind win over Costa Rica. Didn't know they had it in them!

[GriffinM6]

They really need to get their s**t together fast though. Cannot afford to have a sloppy start against Mexico on November 12. 

[DEAD!]

[Digby]

Sloppy moments for the USMNT but it was a more solid game than it looks. I know it’s a tougher than usual cycle but the rotations need to chill. Adams is the game changer everyone wants Pulisic to be; stick with something like this XI and they’ll be fine.

[MJWalker45]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/58418701

England ordered to play one game behind closed doors due to violence during the European Championships final. 

[MJWalker45]

So apparently Qatar has been using an ex-CIA officer to keep tabs on FIFA to make sure they don't lose their World Cup. And of course when I try to pull over the url for the article it won't let me. 

 

2022 World Cup host Qatar used ex-CIA officer to spy on FIFA

Associated Press

 

WASHINGTON — The tiny Arab nation of Qatar has for years employed a former CIA officer to help spy on soccer officials as part of a no-expense-spared effort to win and hold on to the 2022 World Cup tournament, an investigation by The Associated Press has found.

It’s part of a trend of former U.S. intelligence officers going to work for foreign governments with questionable human rights records that is worrying officials in Washington and prompting calls from some members of Congress for greater scrutiny of an opaque and lucrative market.

The World Cup is the planet’s most popular sports tournament. It’s also a chance for Qatar, one of the wealthiest countries in the world, to have a coming-out party on the world stage.

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The AP’s investigation found Qatar sought an edge in securing hosting rights by hiring former CIA officer turned private contractor Kevin Chalker to spy on rival bid teams and key soccer officials who picked the winner in 2010. Chalker also worked for Qatar in the years that followed to keep tabs on the country’s critics in the soccer world, the AP found.

The AP’s investigation is based on interviews with Chalker’s former associates as well as contracts, invoices, emails, and a review of business documents.

 

The surveillance work included having someone pose as a photojournalist to keep tabs on a rival nation’s bid and deploying a Facebook honeypot, in which someone posed online as an attractive woman, to get close to a target, a review of the records show. Operatives working for Chalker and the Persian Gulf sheikhdom also sought cell phone call logs of at least one top FIFA official ahead of the 2010 vote, a review of the records show.

Chalker also promised he could help the country “maintain dominance” over its large population of foreign workers, an internal document from one of Chalker’s companies reviewed by the AP shows. Qatar – a country with a population of 2.8 million, of whom only 300,000 are citizens – is heavily reliant on foreign-born labor to build the stadiums and other infrastructure needed for the tournament.

Qatari government officials did not respond to requests for comment. FIFA also declined to comment.

Chalker, who opened an office in Doha and had a Qatari government email account, said in a statement provided by a representative that he and his companies would not “ever engage in illegal surveillance.”

Chalker declined requests for an interview or to answer detailed questions about his work for the Qatari government. He also claimed that some of the documents reviewed by the AP were forgeries.

The AP reviewed hundreds of pages of documents from Chalker’s companies, including a 2013 project update report that had several photos of Chalker’s staff meeting with various soccer officials. Multiple sources with authorized access provided documents to the AP. The sources said they were troubled by Chalker’s work for Qatar and requested anonymity because they feared retaliation.

The AP took several steps to verify the documents’ authenticity. That includes confirming details of various documents with different sources, including former Chalker associates and soccer officials; cross-checking contents of documents with contemporaneous news accounts and publicly available business records; and examining electronic documents’ metadata, or digital history, where available, to confirm who made the documents and when. Chalker did not provide to the AP any evidence to support his position that some of the documents in question had been forged.

Many of the documents reviewed by the AP outlining work undertaken by Chalker and his companies on behalf of Qatar are also described in a lawsuit filed by Elliott Broidy, a one-time fundraiser for former U.S. President Donald Trump. Broidy is suing Chalker and has accused him of mounting a widespread hacking and spying campaign at Qatar’s direction that includes using former western intelligence officers to surveil FIFA officials. Broidy’s lawyers did not respond to requests for comment. Chalker’s legal team has argued the lawsuit is meritless.

Former associates say Chalker’s companies have provided a variety of services to Qatar in addition to intelligence work. His company Global Risk Advisors bills itself as “an international strategic consultancy specializing in cybersecurity, military and law enforcement training, and intelligence-based advisory services” and its affiliates have won small contracts with the FBI for a rope-training course and tech consulting work for the Democratic National Committee.

Chalker worked at the CIA as an operations officer for about five years, according to former associates. Operations officers typically work undercover trying to recruit assets to spy on behalf of the United States. The CIA declined to comment and does not usually discuss its former officers.

Chalker’s background in the CIA was attractive to Qatari officials, said former associates.

“That was part of his mystique. All these young wealthy Qataris are playing spy games with this guy and he’s selling them,” said one former associate, who like others interviewed by the AP, spoke on the condition of anonymity because they feared retribution for revealing the spying efforts of Qatar.

The private surveillance business has flourished in the last decade in the Persian Gulf as the region saw the rise of an information war using state-sponsored hacking operations that have coincided with the run-up to the World Cup.

Three former U.S. intelligence and military officials recently admitted to providing hacking services for a UAE-based company, which was called DarkMatter, as part of a deferred prosecution agreement with the Justice Department. A Reuters investigation from 2019 reported that DarkMatter hacked phones and computers of Qatar’s Emir, his brother, and FIFA officials.

Work abroad by ex-U.S. intelligence officials has not always aligned with U.S. interests. The United States was Qatar’s biggest rival to win the 2022 World Cup, and former U.S. President Bill Clinton and other celebrities were part of the bid effort. One Global Risk Advisors document lists the United States as a “threat” to Qatar while Russia, one of the U.S.’s biggest geopolitical rivals and the host of the 2018 World Cup, was listed as an “opportunity.”

The Sunday Times of London previously reported that unnamed ex-CIA agents helped Qatar’s 2010 bid team. But the AP’s investigation is the most detailed to date of Qatar’s use of former U.S. spies and provides a rare look into the world of former Western spies working in the Gulf for autocratic governments.

“This is a problem for U.S. national security,” John Scott-Railton, a senior researcher at Citizen Lab, a watchdog group that tracks cyber-surveillance companies. “It’s a really dangerous thing when people who handle the most sensitive secrets of our country are thinking in the back of their mind, `Man, I could really make a lot more money taking this technical knowledge that I’ve been trained in and putting it in the service of whoever will pay me.”‘

When Qatar was picked as the surprise winner in 2010, there was jubilation in the country. Sheik Youssef al-Qaradawi, a prominent Islamic scholar said he was “filled with joy” at the announcement and said Qatar had humbled the United States.

But Qatar’s successful bid has long been dogged by allegations of corruption. U.S. prosecutors said last year that bribes were paid to FIFA executive committee members to gain their votes for Qatar.

Qatar has denied wrongdoing but has also had to fend off allegations by labor watchdogs of worker abuses, and an effort by neighboring countries to isolate, weaken and embarrass it through an economic boycott and informational warfare.

Chalker has pitched his companies, including Global Risk Advisors, as an aggressive private intelligence and security agency Qatar needs to fulfill its ambitions.

“The time for half-measures is over and serious consideration needs to be given to how important the 2022 World Cup is to Qatar,” one of Global Risk Advisors’ project documents from 2014, which also promised a “full-court press utilizing unique, non-traditional capabilities against a wide-ranging set of targets.”

Chalker also promised the Qataris the use of I.T. and “technical collection specialists” as well as top field operatives with backgrounds in “highly sensitive U.S. intelligence and military operations” who could “spot, assess, develop, recruit, and handle assets with access to persons and topics of interests” on Qatar’s behalf, company materials show.

He also emphasized aggression and discretion, saying his plans included “patsies,” and “lightning rods,” psychological operations, and “persistent and aggressive distractions and disruptions” aimed at Qatar’s enemies all while giving the country “full deniability,” company records show.

 

 

As a former intel guy, this is a really bad look for the CIA when their former operatives are taking jobs like this. And it's not even close to as bad as some other jobs people have taken after leaving the 3 letter organizations and the military. 

[OnWis97]

So I live just a few miles from an outdoor World Cup Qualifier in January.  This is just stupid. Just play the games in San Diego and Phoenix ....

 

 

https://www.starsandstripesfc.com/2021/11/24/22800605/usa-usmnt-world-cup-qualifying-january-columbus-return-saint-paul-canada-away-hamilton

[MJWalker45]

1 minute ago, OnWis97 said:

So I live just a few miles from an outdoor World Cup Qualifier in January.  This is just stupid. Just play the games in San Diego and Phoenix ....

 

 

https://www.starsandstripesfc.com/2021/11/24/22800605/usa-usmnt-world-cup-qualifying-january-columbus-return-saint-paul-canada-away-hamilton

I remember playing a qualifier in Frisco in February. That game was actually colder than the Manchester United vs Fulham match I'd watched the week prior at Old Trafford. Not likely that would have been the case, but the idea was to limit the amount of Honduran or Salvadoran fans getting in to cheer for their teams. 

[Digby]

I get the argument of wanting to get the other team uncomfortable but our guys will be uncomfortable too! In the States we don't play outside that time of year for obvious reasons, and the European winter leagues do not see those sorts of conditions. IDK, I really can't not see yet another Pulisic injury happening here on a frozen pitch, and bone rattling chill. 

 

I also get the home-field advantage thing, but Jesus, the Costa Rica thing at RBA is really living in their heads forever huh. The center of American soccer shifting from Europhile big cities to college football country has been an interesting subplot over the past 5 or so years, but this playing USMNT games exclusively in Middle America is taking that a little too far. And if you'd like to win the battles for dual-national recruiting, seems like running away screaming from any Hispanic neighborhoods is maybe not going to help.

[Red Comet]

Gotta love how Qatar was able to keep their World Cup with the help of a glowing spook. I guess the CIA wasn’t content with screwing up poor countries so now they’ll screw over rich ones too. 

[MJWalker45]

1 hour ago, Red Comet said:

Gotta love how Qatar was able to keep their World Cup with the help of a glowing spook. I guess the CIA wasn’t content with screwing up poor countries so now they’ll screw over rich ones too. 

To be fair, he was working against them in this case.

[Red Comet]

14 minutes ago, MJWalker45 said:

To be fair, he was working against them in this case.

True. It’s just amazing what I wind up paying for without me knowing unless some intrepid journalist blows the whistle on it. I get he’s ex-CIA, but still. I paid for this guy’s training in some way. 

[DEAD!]

4 hours ago, Digby said:

I get the argument of wanting to get the other team uncomfortable but our guys will be uncomfortable too! In the States we don't play outside that time of year for obvious reasons, and the European winter leagues do not see those sorts of conditions. IDK, I really can't not see yet another Pulisic injury happening here on a frozen pitch, and bone rattling chill. 

 

I also get the home-field advantage thing, but Jesus, the Costa Rica thing at RBA is really living in their heads forever huh. The center of American soccer shifting from Europhile big cities to college football country has been an interesting subplot over the past 5 or so years, but this playing USMNT games exclusively in Middle America is taking that a little too far. And if you'd like to win the battles for dual-national recruiting, seems like running away screaming from any Hispanic neighborhoods is maybe not going to help.

This is the part as to why it the US should NOT emulate what Canada did.  With the exception of maybe the west coast, it snows everywhere else for most of winter. Yes, there are some places in Europe that gets cold and gets snow, but those games don't happen very often.

I did find quite interesting that Alphonso Davies went from playing a cold game in Edmonton to playing a snowy game in Kyiv. 

[-kj]

Canada choosing Hamilton led to the US picking more eastern sites.  There was a rumor going around for a bit that one of the US games would be in San Jose, presuming Canada had theirs in Vancouver. (Knowing the source of said rumor, I believe it was true until Canada decided to go elsewhere.)

[The_Admiral]

9 hours ago, MJWalker45 said:

As a former intel guy, this is a really bad look for the CIA when their former operatives are taking jobs like this. And it's not even close to as bad as some other jobs people have taken after leaving the 3 letter organizations and the military. 

 

You're telling me. One guy became the mayor of South Bend.

[Digby]

20 hours ago, -kj said:

Canada choosing Hamilton led to the US picking more eastern sites.  There was a rumor going around for a bit that one of the US games would be in San Jose, presuming Canada had theirs in Vancouver. (Knowing the source of said rumor, I believe it was true until Canada decided to go elsewhere.)

Of all the mystifying things of recent times, that Canada is now who dictates all things CONCACAF is maybe the wildest.

[Digby]

 

[IceCap]

On 11/25/2021 at 5:09 PM, Digby said:

Of all the mystifying things of recent times, that Canada is now who dictates all things CONCACAF is maybe the wildest.

 

[MJWalker45]

Six US officials and one referee, including one female are on the list for Qatar.

https://www.fifa.com/tournaments/mens/worldcup/qatar2022/media-releases/36-referees-69-assistant-referees-and-24-video-match-officials-appointed-for-fifa-world-cup-qatar-2022

[MJWalker45]

World Cup 2026 final stadiums will be announced in June. SoFi still in the running though there are complaints it may not meet field requirements. Cincinnati still in the running, has Paul Brown hosted any soccer matches? Cleveland has but they aren't on the list.