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setting the Pro Bowl up to fail as miserably as it possibly can (regardless of how people feel about it, it was still a VERY popular game until very recently as shown by TV numbers),

See, I think this is an example of why Goodell actually has the hardest task ahead of him.

Everybody agrees the Pro Bowl is a joke, it can't stay the way it is, but it draws numbers. So anything he does is fraught with peril.

We keep talking about him not having to kill the golden goose, but under those shiny feathers the goose is already dying, riddled with cancer and decay. The league is right around the corner from an existential crisis, and he's supposed to address the fundamental problems infecting the game without actually changing the game in any way.

I don't agree with a lot of what he's doing (think Cuban is right and he's taking away the sense of common event that boosts each Sunday), but I understand that in order for pro football to survive another decade or so, it'll have to undergo radical changes. And yet we the fans fight and whinge every step of the way as he tries to save our sport.

Well, you certainly do have a flair for the dramatic.

This surprises anyone? ;)

Notice you didn't dispute the facts, though. Anyone who doesn't think CTE can (and, if unchecked, will) bring down the mighty NFL hasn't been paying attention to the research. Or the lawsuits.

That's the mess Tagliabue left his successor.

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setting the Pro Bowl up to fail as miserably as it possibly can (regardless of how people feel about it, it was still a VERY popular game until very recently as shown by TV numbers),

See, I think this is an example of why Goodell actually has the hardest task ahead of him.

Everybody agrees the Pro Bowl is a joke, it can't stay the way it is, but it draws numbers. So anything he does is fraught with peril.

We keep talking about him not having to kill the golden goose, but under those shiny feathers the goose is already dying, riddled with cancer and decay. The league is right around the corner from an existential crisis, and he's supposed to address the fundamental problems infecting the game without actually changing the game in any way.

I don't agree with a lot of what he's doing (think Cuban is right and he's taking away the sense of common event that boosts each Sunday), but I understand that in order for pro football to survive another decade or so, it'll have to undergo radical changes. And yet we the fans fight and whinge every step of the way as he tries to save our sport.

Well, you certainly do have a flair for the dramatic.

This surprises anyone? ;)

Notice you didn't dispute the facts, though. Anyone who doesn't think CTE can (and, if unchecked, will) bring down the mighty NFL hasn't been paying attention to the research. Or the lawsuits.

That's the mess Tagliabue left his successor.

Good point. That's why I think that their obsession with removing old games off of You-Tube is funny. They care more about that than the concussion issue? Crazy.

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setting the Pro Bowl up to fail as miserably as it possibly can (regardless of how people feel about it, it was still a VERY popular game until very recently as shown by TV numbers),

See, I think this is an example of why Goodell actually has the hardest task ahead of him.

Everybody agrees the Pro Bowl is a joke, it can't stay the way it is, but it draws numbers. So anything he does is fraught with peril.

We keep talking about him not having to kill the golden goose, but under those shiny feathers the goose is already dying, riddled with cancer and decay. The league is right around the corner from an existential crisis, and he's supposed to address the fundamental problems infecting the game without actually changing the game in any way.

I don't agree with a lot of what he's doing (think Cuban is right and he's taking away the sense of common event that boosts each Sunday), but I understand that in order for pro football to survive another decade or so, it'll have to undergo radical changes. And yet we the fans fight and whinge every step of the way as he tries to save our sport.

Well, you certainly do have a flair for the dramatic.

This surprises anyone? ;)

Notice you didn't dispute the facts, though. Anyone who doesn't think CTE can (and, if unchecked, will) bring down the mighty NFL hasn't been paying attention to the research. Or the lawsuits.

That's the mess Tagliabue left his successor.

Good point. That's why I think that their obsession with removing old games off of You-Tube is funny. They care more about that than the concussion issue? Crazy.

This is kind of my point. It's the priority of other issues separate from the concussion thing that I don't understand.

Goth, notice how I never disagreed with you on the concussion issue in the first place?

My problem with what Goodell has done to the league is separate from that issue entirely. Yes, I agree, dealing with concussion problems is absolutely something that's vital to the survival of the league. There is no doubt about that. But how is forcing the issue of moving teams overseas, purposely tanking the ratings of the league's all star game, fixing playoff ticket prices above market value, and proposing MORE games on less rest which are aired on networks most people have to pay extra just to see (and most who won't), doing anything to fix that issue? Other than that last one, what do those issues even have to do with player safety? The player safety issue is separate from what I'm trying to point out. The thing that Goodell is doing to hurt the NFL is when it comes to the fundamentals of how the business plan is put into action. That's what Tagliabue was so good at. The "off the field" issues. Those are things, IMO, that Goodell has royally f****d up on, and that's where the problems with his tenure lie IMO.

I'll state it again. Has he done good when it comes to player discipline? Absolutely. It's exactly what the NFL needed. I think it's a bit over policed at this point, but it's better than what took place under Tags. Has he done good when it comes to the concussion issue? Sure, I think the only reason he's doing anything about it is because people are twisting his arm a bit, but I'll give him credit there because at least it's something. Those are issues that any commissioner would've had to deal with though, and I feel that it's hard to blame Tags for not dealing with the concussion issue better because until recently, people really didn't have the knowledge of just how severe the problem was. But those other issues I mentioned had nothing to do with discipline and player safety, and the league as a whole would've been so much better off if he just left well enough alone in those areas.

I really don't want to continue this as a never ending debate that goes nowhere, there are enough of those on the boards. But when it comes right down to it, I think we're more on the same page when it comes to certain issues than it's coming across here. If you disagree with me on the points I've stated, then that's fine. I respect your right to do so. We're simply going to have to agree to disagree on certain issues though.

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Sorry. Going after the messenger usually implies disagreement with the message, which is what I took away from your comment. Glad I was mistaken.

There's no reason the NFL can't simultaneously do things like protect its back catalogue from being put on YouTube and work on player safety. It's not like they only have one person on the payroll.

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I agree, the NFL will eventually ruin themselves ... too many games, too long of a season, too many serious injuries, greedy owners. Over Kill - anything in moderation is good.

NO Thursday nite football. Friday is for High School games, Saturday for College, with Sunday & Monday for NFL. There is too short of

a recovery time for teams to play a Sunday game and then turn around and play on Thursday. It wouldn't hurt to have 3 or 4 Monday nite games.

I love to watch football, but I think they will burn out the fans, but they should recover. If the stock market crashes and we hit another recession, the NFL would do Ok, just

like the Roman Empire, "entertain the people and shower them with violence" and they will come.

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It wouldn't hurt to have 3 or 4 Monday nite games.

Yes, it would.

The genius of Monday night football is its national reach. You put your marquee teams on, teams that draw audience from the entire country. It's the place to showcase the Packers, the Cowboys, the Patriots or important match ups that have national interest.

Sure, you can run two games, provided one's on the West Coast and they play sequentially. But the moment you overlap them, and Packers/Steelers isn't available in the South because the Bucs are playing their own Monday night-er, you've lost something important.

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I was listening to Mike Mike's NFL Radio Show today and even they (Greenberg, I think) said of expanding the playoffs that it could be a negative. I say even them because they drool NFL for about 90% of their show all year.

And I totally agree with why he said it: One thing the NFL has going for it is how important each game is. More playoff teams waters that down.

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Yea I agree. I think the NFL has the most logical and exciting playoff structure of the 4 major sports right now. Expanding it would just dilute the playoff field with sub .500 teams. If you win your division, you deserve to make the playoffs. If you have a losing record, you do not.

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