LoveTheFakes

I usually hate when people post memes, usually because they are idiotic but this one made me laugh. Well done.

I also will never again purchase anything from the leagues, the quality of their product VS the price is ridiculous. Therefor I am not costing anyone, anything since I would never purchase it to begin with.

Perhaps Lovingthefakes should sign up on the Canucks message board, as it seems they are all exactly like him. Unbelievable how many people blindly support these counterfeits.

Staying on topic, that Clippers knock off is the worst.

Woah... leave my Canucks out of this please! Im pretty sure they just started a "Spot the Counterfeit" program.

Actually, he does own a jersey. As does everyone else who owns a knockoff.

Someday, you'll understand how the world really works.

No he doesn't.

He owns a laughable, cheaply made piece of rag with off colours, off fonts and likely a laughable interpretation of what the corresponding logo should be. I feel sorry for people who buy fakes, they are obviously visually illiterate when it comes to the aesthetics of sports.

Not all knock offs are horrible, I posted links to one of mine in this thread. Way to sound like a douchebag though, I guess what they say about Vancouver is true.

Case in point... this little troll. Why don't you do yourself a favour and NOT post on board populated with the very designers getting ripped off by little bastards like you who support these criminal counterfeiters. Thanks. You won't be missed.

Who here has designed a major 4 team logo? I am pretty sure that is nobody so I have not cost anyone here anything. The criminal part is the mark up for jerseys. I'm perfectly happy finding solid knock offs for $20-$30 then $300.

Perhaps Lovingthefakes should sign up on the Canucks message board, as it seems they are all exactly like him. Unbelievable how many people blindly support these counterfeits.

Staying on topic, that Clippers knock off is the worst.

Woah... leave my Canucks out of this please! Im pretty sure they just started a "Spot the Counterfeit" program.

Actually, he does own a jersey. As does everyone else who owns a knockoff.

Someday, you'll understand how the world really works.

No he doesn't.

He owns a laughable, cheaply made piece of rag with off colours, off fonts and likely a laughable interpretation of what the corresponding logo should be. I feel sorry for people who buy fakes, they are obviously visually illiterate when it comes to the aesthetics of sports.

Not all knock offs are horrible, I posted links to one of mine in this thread. Way to sound like a douchebag though, I guess what they say about Vancouver is true.

I love how if you don't support the fakes, then you must be a blind MLB/NBA/NFL/NHL fanboy. I don't have any jerseys at all, you know why, beacause I CAN'T AFFORD THEM. Say what you want about them being over priced, but that doesn't make it right to go buy a fake.

You deserve a cookie for your stand against the people standing against the leagues overpriced jerseys.

So, what's stopping you from writing a calm, well-spoken letter to the manufacturers, teams and leagues, and nicely stating that their jersey prices are highly priced, rather than supporting organized crime by buying counterfeits? If you'd like to actually accomplish something, then doing that might be a little more proactive than preaching your side on a message board.

That is a great idea, I'll send one out tomorrow, and post any follow ups that I receive.

I love how if you don't support the fakes, then you must be a blind MLB/NBA/NFL/NHL fanboy. I don't have any jerseys at all, you know why, beacause I CAN'T AFFORD THEM. Say what you want about them being over priced, but that doesn't make it right to go buy a fake.

You deserve a cookie for your stand against the people standing against the leagues overpriced jerseys.

Please highlight the area that says buying them is illegal.

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That is for sellers, you are not very good at reading comprehension.

It is not illegal to purchase them.

I thought we were done with this but you guys keep bringing it up, replicas are crap, and authentics are not worth $300.

Yes, they are. $300 is the market price for an authentic. If you can't afford it, then don't get a jersey. You're not entitled to one. Someday, you'll understand how the world really works.

I can afford it but I would rather save the $275. Thanks for the life lesson Dad but I am a big boy now.

Perhaps Lovingthefakes should sign up on the Canucks message board, as it seems they are all exactly like him. Unbelievable how many people blindly support these counterfeits.

Staying on topic, that Clippers knock off is the worst.

I love how you blindly support the crap that is provided by the leagues.

Let me know your schedule of towns in which you visit so I know what DVDs and fragrances which you have to sell from strip mall to strip mall.

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean

Perhaps Lovingthefakes should sign up on the Canucks message board, as it seems they are all exactly like him. Unbelievable how many people blindly support these counterfeits.

Staying on topic, that Clippers knock off is the worst.

I love how you blindly support the crap that is provided by the leagues.

The crap provided by the leagues, which everybody but you recognizes as superior quality to counterfeits, is not the issue. He didn't say he was supporting that, just that it is dumb to buy counterfeits. You know, it is possible to not own any jerseys at all.

I thought we were done with this but you guys keep bringing it up, replicas are crap, and authentics are not worth $300.

Perhaps Lovingthefakes should sign up on the Canucks message board, as it seems they are all exactly like him. Unbelievable how many people blindly support these counterfeits.

Staying on topic, that Clippers knock off is the worst.

I love how you blindly support the crap that is provided by the leagues.

How about we just stop arguing right or wrong, if anybody wants to participate in the thread, it will be posting terrible looking knockoffs we can all laugh at. We all agree that some knockoffs are horrible, so let's just make fun of those jerseys.

Great idea

this conversation is going absolutely nowhere, and you all look ridiculous.

people who don't have a moral objection to counterfeits will buy counterfeits. people who do, won't. people who think all counterfeits are of substandard quality are simply incorrect, and people who think that the mistakes on most counterfeits aren't noticeable are equally incorrect.

no one is going to change anyone's mind, and it's baffling to me that so many of you are still trying.

Win

Nobody cares that you buy fakes and we certainly can't stop you. All we are saying is that it IS illegal to make and sell fakes, the makers of the fakes are stealing an identity and passing their product of as the real thing. By supporting people who do this you are also breaking a law. Think of it this way, if someone stole your identity and started to buy a bunch of people things with your money, it is only hurting you like the fake makers are only hurting the NFL, we can all agree stealing an ID of any kind is illegal. Here's the part we are arguing about, is it illegal for me to take the things that the thief is purchasing me with your money, YES because I am getting things from him that aren't his to give, I'd be a fool not to take what he is giving me right? (this is your view on it) or I could say, you know what I'll pass, I'm going to buy stuff on my own. (our view)

So can you agree that what you are doing is wrong?

Your right, you will probably never get in trouble for buying fake jerseys, but it is still wrong and you are still breaking the law whether you get in trouble for it or not.

From everything I have found on this subject it is not illegal to buy the knock offs, if I were to sell them that would be illegal. It may be wrong to you but to me it isn't, I think the leagues overcharge, and I will continue to seek other means to acquire jerseys.

I am NEVER going to buy a crappy replica for $80 or a slightly better authentic for $300

Then you're not entitled to own a jersey. Sorry, that's life.

You do not think I should own a fake jersey but I do, and you cannot stop me from doing this.

I may not be able to stop you from buying fakes, but your justifications are laughable. The only legal choices in the matter are to pay the prices that are deemed fair by the leagues and companies, or not buy a jersey at all. End of story.

Ok I will remember that next time I buy one.

I am NEVER going to buy a crappy replica for $80 or a slightly better authentic for $300

Then you're not entitled to own a jersey. Sorry, that's life.

You do not think I should own a fake jersey but I do, and you cannot stop me from doing this.

I can't, but my buddies in the DOJ can. Or at least make it more difficult for you.

If they want to waste resources to stop a guy who gets a few jerseys a year, and does not make a dime off of them go ahead. If they banned the sites I use I wouldn't run to the mall and buy a genuine authentic.

You can make idle threats all day, until the Feds bust my door down, and take me away for possession of a few fakes I will laugh at you.

I am NEVER going to buy a crappy replica for $80 or a slightly better authentic for $300

Then you're not entitled to own a jersey. Sorry, that's life.

You do not think I should own a fake jersey but I do, and you cannot stop me from doing this.

Well, all I know is that if any of you guys who think buying counterfeit jerseys are ok, I'm going to take any logos you've ever designed, put them on t-shirts and sell them for dirt cheap. Guess how much you guys are going to make, aka, the people who own the logo or have designed it? Zero dollars and zero cents.

No one has answered my question concerning designers, how many of the current MAJOR sports logos designers are paid royalties on each jersey purchased? I am guessing 0 so I am not hurting the designers in any way.

This is not true.

Say team A is wiling to pay $50k for a great new logo and uniform design. This is based on their analysis that a new look will spur $1,000,000 in sales in the next year. The new logo is a hit, but the counterfeiters are all over it, so sales of legit licensed gear only net $500,000. This will lead to one of two things - either the team (or the next team in a similar situation) will offer the designer (or firm) $25k for the next package, or the licensees will absorb the cost and offer significantly less next time around. Either way there's less money to pay the designer, which has a trickle down effect on the industry as a whole.

It's a shame that most of the strong debaters checked out of this thread ages ago. After reading the last few pages, I'm thinking about ordering some fakes.

Not really.

I don't see how the design is worth less based on previous sales not hitting their mark.

I am NEVER going to buy a crappy replica for $80 or a slightly better authentic for $300 when I can get a good knock off for $20-25. Since I am NEVER going to do that they are not losing any sales from me buying knock offs.

1. It's pretty simple. Businesses budget certain amounts for certain things. The amount that gets budgeted is usually based on the value that the project ads. If it's considered a reinvestment in the organization, then the ROI is what's important. Cut that ROI in half by taking away would-be sales, and the design budget gets cut in half. Sure a designer could say "I don't care about your ROI - my design work is still worth $50k" and just about any company would say "well we have $25k budgeted. If you can do it for $25 we can talk, otherwise NEXT".

2. You can't say what you'll never do until you have no other options. Even if you wouldn't, there are other buyers of fakes who would. It's the same story with streaming PPVs - "I wouldn't buy the fight / wrestling match anyway, so I'm allowed to watch it for free".

I just don't see how you can possibly claim that you're not a troll. You signed up as "LoveTheFakes," post arrogant, condescending crap that shows you just don't get it, and you've never posted outside this thread. My troll radar is going off.

Can we stop with the troll talk? I'm starting to hate the sound of that word after reading it over and over again. He's not making irrational points here. I vehemently disagree with them, but certainly you can see how there are probably more people who feel that way than who don't.

I would be more than happy to buy authentic jerseys if it didn't feel like the leagues are out to get every last dollar I have. I pay for Sunday Ticket, and Center Ice every year as well as a few UFC fights, I could stream off the net but in this case I feel the price is fair for the services I get.

I don't wear the jerseys as a status symbol and if anyone asks I tell them it is bogus, most are shocked at the quality but if I came across someone on this board I am sure they would know immediately. The leagues have their economic model for jersey sales, I am sure they account for how many people will buy from overseas at each price they will charge. They know they would sell more if the price were cheaper but with their high profit margin they do not need to maximize sales.

This thread led to me to this site, my username is a joke, and I haven't looked around the rest of the site yet.

Still here

Well, all I know is that if any of you guys who think buying counterfeit jerseys are ok, I'm going to take any logos you've ever designed, put them on t-shirts and sell them for dirt cheap. Guess how much you guys are going to make, aka, the people who own the logo or have designed it? Zero dollars and zero cents.

No one has answered my question concerning designers, how many of the current MAJOR sports logos designers are paid royalties on each jersey purchased? I am guessing 0 so I am not hurting the designers in any way.

This is not true.

Say team A is wiling to pay $50k for a great new logo and uniform design. This is based on their analysis that a new look will spur $1,000,000 in sales in the next year. The new logo is a hit, but the counterfeiters are all over it, so sales of legit licensed gear only net $500,000. This will lead to one of two things - either the team (or the next team in a similar situation) will offer the designer (or firm) $25k for the next package, or the licensees will absorb the cost and offer significantly less next time around. Either way there's less money to pay the designer, which has a trickle down effect on the industry as a whole.

It's a shame that most of the strong debaters checked out of this thread ages ago. After reading the last few pages, I'm thinking about ordering some fakes.

Not really.

I don't see how the design is worth less based on previous sales not hitting their mark.

I am NEVER going to buy a crappy replica for $80 or a slightly better authentic for $300 when I can get a good knock off for $20-25. Since I am NEVER going to do that they are not losing any sales from me buying knock offs.

We all agree these are not perfect but this jersey cost me $20, as opposed to a slightly better one for $300.

Honestly, that's not bad at all for $20.

That is my argument, why would I pay $80 for a replica that will fall apart after two washes when I can get these for $20.

That isn't true at all. I have owned replica jerseys from each of the 4 sports. I have NEVER had one fall apart, including ones which I would wear almost once a week when I was a kid. If you did in fact have a replica fall apart after two wears (which you didn't, you just made that up to make your argument better), you should have returned it to the store you bought it from and gotten a new one. On the other hand, I know people who have knock-off jerseys and have seen those fall apart and/or become horribly discolored after two washes.

I purchased a Cincinnati Bengals Takeo Spikes Jersey in November of 2002, I wore and washed it twice during that season before it looked so bad I stopped wearing it. I then never purchased another one until I found a solid seller overseas, where the quality has been much better and the price is a lot cheaper.

We all agree these are not perfect but this jersey cost me $20, as opposed to a slightly better one for $300.

Honestly, that's not bad at all for $20.

That is my argument, why would I pay $80 for a replica that will fall apart after two washes when I can get these for $20.