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  1. 22 hours ago, BJ Sands said:

    This would be my ideal Giants set. It keeps the current home jersey with a smidge of red, restores the 80s stripe but keeps the red numbers/socks for the road like they’ve had for much of their history, and there’s a gray pants option too. The blue socks could also be worn with the white jersey. 
     

    Most importantly, there’s continuity between the home and road uniforms. 

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    Yes.


    Why are they not wearing that?

  2. Vandy, Arizona, Missouri, probably a few others..

     

    Seems like we are really seeing a return to more traditional football uniforms... classic stripes on the legs... and 1 or 2 helmets instead of 4+

     

    Please, let's have this trend continue with other schools that badly need it.

     

    I've never understood the trend for the past 5ish years to totally strip away all design elements . I guess players think it looks "clean"? I don't get it. Almost every team except like Texas and Penn State look better with some sort of vertical pants stripe.

     

     

  3. When you look at it side by side-- what an absolutely massive improvement, especially this combo.

     

    The removal of the shoulder yoke allows the shoulder striping detail to really nicely complement the striping on the helmet and pants, instead of compete for attention.

     

    Removing the white detail from the top of the pants stripe keeps things consistent with the helmet in a nice way-- and I don't think too many people have mentioned how awkward and unnecessary the tapered point at the bottom of the old pants stripe was -- it never looked good how it wrapped around the knee, and now the new straight up-and-down pants stripe again streamlines everything.

     

    Plus, the dropshadow on the old numbers was such a legacy from like 2004-- Falcons uniforms that debuted around that time also had it. Good riddance.

     

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    This redesign is what the Jaguars COULD have been if they'd made the right decisions. If the Jaguars had used a vertical teal stripe on white and black pants + a more noticeable teal stripe on the white and black uniforms, it would totally balance the large amounts of black and white. Instead, they went with the barely noticeable teal diagonal slices of color at the very bottom of the pants + edge of the sleeves. Bengals show you how a very similar minimalist design is used, with the proper execution.

  4. 1 hour ago, Sport said:

    The thing that bothered me about 2018 Vegas was at the time they were being covered as this team of castoff misfits that nobody wanted who were making this Cinderella run to the finals out of sheer gumption and determination and the drive for vengeance. That would've been a great story! But it just wasn't true. They were just a good collection of talent because the league made sure they were a good collection of talent. They got lucky with a couple pieces and the system afforded them top-to-bottom depth, which is like the biggest factor in building a successful NHL roster. The league having such a finger on the scale made the whole thing feel phony and I really wish that wasn't the case because a first year team full of castoffs and misfits would've been an all-time great sports story, but they weren't that. 

     

    Yeah, and it's just an easy (and lazy) narrative for the sports media to jump on to....I also think the expansion drafts from 20 yrs ago also influenced people in to assuming that it would be a bunch of misfits, because the expansion drafts for Atlanta, Minnesota, and Columbus created truly terrible teams.

     

    BUT saying that this was a "good collection of talent" at the time after the expansion draft would have been a SUPER hot take, seems a bit like revisionist history. If you look at that roster, at the time, you would have been saying that it's: a few borderline 1st/2nd line players (Perron, Marchessault, Neal, Karlsson (who at the time was very unproven) ), some solid middle line players (Haula, Smith, who I'm pretty sure was a career 3rd line player and wasn't seen as a guy who could get 60 pts), 2 good defenseman (Schmidt, Theodore, also very young at the time), and a good goalie who was looked at the time like his career could be basically over. At the time, we all would've said, ok, that's a decent at best top 6 and a fairly weak D-corps. The over under on their point total that year was 68.5, they were +20000 to win the cup. Lol.

     

    They weren't a bunch of misfits because they weren't all like 4th liners, it was a bunch of guys who seemed liked 2nd/3rd line talent, I get it, but let's not act like anyone thought this was a good team.

  5. 54 minutes ago, MNtwins3 said:

    That set was so stupidly clean and inoffensive, PLUS they won a title in it, and they decided to change it for some reason to the current monstrosities

     

    To me, this set is the current Jacksonville Jaguars design in NBA form -- so, so boring. There's nothing to it.

  6. ^Such a nice contrast of colors here and 100x better with the oilers wearing the orange-heavy RR. Would be so much boring if they were wearing their normal road sweaters. the orange breezers are pretty odd (have we seen orange pants in the NHL before this?), but i find myself really enjoying seeing them on the ice. 

  7. On 2/13/2021 at 10:41 PM, Ridleylash said:

     

    They're beautiful.

     

    Very small thing but it was a strange choice to use a red stripe in the socks. It doesn't work with the striping of the uniform and only matches the... gloves? Based on how the original jersey worked, this stripe should be green. It would also correspond to the green accents in the cactuses on the hem.

     

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  8. The Coyotes over-corrected towards traditional when they rebranded in 2003 but I do think it ended up being a good look for them.

     

    I remember at the time that the all-red seemed really refreshing (especially watching on TV) because although the 90's uniforms are obviously unique they looked really washed out and bland on the TV screens of the era. I mean just look at these highlights. They look dull.

     

     

     

    Now? The throwbacks look 100x better on tv now in the HD era. You can actually see the green shoulders and the red in the socks.

     

     

    But like, it's a lot of 90s nostalgia combined with the "they're so good, they're bad" factor... right? The original coyotes uniforms are what got me in to sports jersey design when I was a kid because I loved them so much, so it's a bit hard for me to look at it all objectively, but they're gaudy and ridiculous. That's why they are great. It's like the gradient Jazz or Hawks jerseys of the 90s ... Canucks and Penguins jerseys with gradients... etc. They're bizarre and that's why we like them.

     

  9. 1 hour ago, the admiral said:

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    Hear me out on this one: there's something to be said for a set that's modern not in terms of being over-the-top goofy but just in breaking conventions of hockey design: all vertical elements instead of stripes, black sweaters with non-black helmets and shorts. A middle finger to all things "Original Six Dress-Up" seems fitting for this team and their small but perpetually aggrieved fanbase. The Picassoyote set, when you get down to it, was a contrived version of the Penguins' and Panthers' sets from the same time: angled shoulder yoke, angled sleeve stripes, matching hem stripe. This set doesn't owe much to anything before it, as best I can tell.

     

    Of course, I'd have used the normal howling coyote on the front and not that stupid running one, and I'd think about Industria for names and numbers instead of Friz Quadrata + Impact (real nuts and gum there), but the fundamentals of this alternate were highly underrated.

     

    The color balance actually isn't bad.

     

    People hated the "roadkill" coyote logo, but it's not a terrible uniform in terms of color balance and, yeah, like you mentioned, the striping elements weirdly work. The curved "armpit" striping sort of matches the curvature of the primary head logo.

     

    I don't think another team has worn this color sequence either... red helmet, black jersey, red breezers, black socks. Historically it's certainly different.

     

    All that said, it's probably my least favorite uniform the Coyotes have ever worn.

  10. On 11/27/2018 at 9:10 AM, leopard88 said:

     

    If liking the Boston (and New Orleans and Portland) Breakers uniform is wrong, I don't want to be right.

    Also, I remember the Colts with silver pants.  They were introduced just before they left Baltimore, along with silver middle stripes on the shoulder loops and pants (which were barely visible)

     

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    Wow, never knew these existed. Certainly a "forgotten" uniform. Especially considering how iconic the current colts unis look. I never realized they had gone with silver pants.

     

    UGA's road combo works quite well, although the silver should be slightly darker / metallic. Also, UGA black alternates and Falcons throwbacks are nice examples of red helmet with darker color jersey base.

     

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  11. 10 hours ago, phutmasterflex said:

    The problem with this set is that the black jerseys were far superior. Making the red the new primary just doesn't do it for me. Alternate OK. But primary? Nope. I miss the black jerseys and the black pants. 

     

    Should it have lasted 15 years? No. But the black would have been more tolerable as a primary color. 

     

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    These pics illustrate how this set was designed originally to work best with the black jersey......just in the way the red piping properly works and provides a better balance. The piping for the current red uniform / white pants combo always seemed forced. Especially when they had to flip the colors, so there is black piping on a 2nd set of white pants with the red stripe flare at the bottom. Still, the piping is terrible and really didn't age well. I remember liking these Vick uniforms at the time, but I was also like 10 years old. It is absolutely unbelievable that they didn't change designs when they had the opportunity to do so. It would have made sense with the end of the Vick era and start of the Ryan era. It would have made sense moving in to the new stadium. My only theory is that Arthur Blank somehow thinks these are "iconic" uniforms but they simply aren't. Instead we are still going to be stuck with these garbage uniforms for the foreseeable future. 

  12. 55 minutes ago, Ice_Cap said:

    They succeeded to a detrimental degree. 

    All they need to do is throw a Raiders-esque pants stripe on the pants (black on white, white on black) and make the numbers on the white jerseys teal. That’s all. 

    Niether change would muddy the uniform up or clutter design. 

     

    Instead the uniforms as they exist are just too plain to work. They’re so close to crossing over from “plain” to “simple and traditional” but they stopped a few crucial steps short. 

     

    Now that being said...it’s far and away better than the 2013-2017 Jags look. Which was historically awful. 

     

    Totally agree with every note here. Jags are a teal pants stripe away from being quite good.

     

     

     

    19 minutes ago, Tracy MidGrady said:

    Jags should have kept the old pants

     

    No thanks. The epitome of a pointless overly-modern pants stripe. I couldn't stand the trapezoid shape. Even the Bucs pants are better because they "connect" to the socks at the bottom of the pants. The old Jags pants just looked so awkward with the too-wide trapezoid right in the middle.

  13. ^ So the shade of yellow/gold hasn't really been fixed? im confused--originally thought from earlier in the thread that they fixed that issue. just hoping that it's not the same too-bright yellow shade as last season.

     

    has anyone seen the white shorts? Searched through a lot of photos online and have not been able to locate a picture of the white shorts yet.

  14. 4 hours ago, Clintau24 said:

    After sitting on it for a few hours, I've come to somewhat like the new uniforms. Some thoughts:

     

    • I absolutely LOVE the helmet. That's sexy as hell. I was somewhat hoping for a matte shell, but damn I'm glad they went with gloss again. It's so pretty, especially in that Florida sunlight
    • While they're rather simple, the jerseys are clean. I do wish they had stripes somewhere other than the collar horns. 
    • The number font looks awfully similar to the 2009-12 set. I know it's different, but I think the 2s are nearly identical.
    • Pant stripes would truly make this a homerun for me. 
    • The curved stripes on the socks and back-of-knee are interesting. Does a decent job breaking up the leotard look with the pants, so that's a plus.
    • I don't like all the teal on the helmet. I like the 3D Bumpers, but hate the teal numbers. The original had gold numbers and it looks so much better.
    • Teal pants are spectacular. I never thought I'd say that. But I hope we see them with each of the jerseys.

    Two concepts on Twitter I think really added some nice details.

     

     

    Really like the gold outlines here. The teal numbers on the white are nice, but I'd be good with either black or teal honestly.

     

     

     

    Chad added a simple pant stripe that I think really ties it all together quite well.

     

    You add both these tweaks and I would truly adore this uniform set.

     

    Yep. this pants stripe is the missing piece here. Especially if they wore the black jersey with teal pants combination, that black pants stripe would work perfectly.

     

    Thinking about it more though, I believe they are the ONLY team in the league now without a pant stripe on their primary pants. Maybe the lack of this element is what sets them apart now? i don't know, I appreciate minimalism, but I typically don't care for football uniforms without a pants stripe, not a fan of that trend in college football either. However I appreciate the possibility that the Jags knew that the lack of any vertical element on the pants at all would set them apart in a weird way.

     

    like a few others have said, I think that people are going to really warm up to this uniform when they see white jersey - teal pants and black jersey - teal pants combos on the field. Both are going to look beautiful. So even though the gripe that the teal uniforms arent the primary is a valid one, the fact that they added teal pants is huge.

     

     

     

  15. 15 minutes ago, ~Bear said:

    Are these simple? Yes. Too simple? Yes. But they are still better than the uniforms from the 2013 rebrand. These are some gold trim on the collars and shoulders as well as teal numbers of the white jersey away from being a great set. Some outlines on the numbers would be nice as well, but I can live with the stripe-less pants. The pants used before were awful and are rightfully thrown in the garbage with the infamous two-toned helmet (the new helmet is beautiful btw). 

     

    The teal pants are great and hopefully are the primary option on the home and on the road (although wearing full black or black jersey/white pants once or twice at home won't hurt). Black/teal/black really should have been the primary though, and unfortunately that's a missed opportunity.

     

    Agree. The last set was firmly one of the bottom-3 looks in the league. Now (by my estimation) they are about 23rd best in the league ha, the Jags now look better than the primary looks for the Bengals, Browns, Rams, Bucs, Titans, Jets, and the teams still using piping (Cardinals, Falcons,Patriots). Still a huge upgrade. Sometimes less is more

     

    They do need a simple vertical one color pants stripe. the plainness of the jerseys themselves doesn't bother me too much, after all, uniforms that people seem to like (Colts, Giants, new Dolphins, Raiders, Texans) all have little to no striping on the jerseys. But, all of those looks are "grounded" by sort of pants stripe to balance out the minimalism of the jersey tops, and add some sort of motif. What is the Jags new motif? just that simple angled stripe that you can barely see on the cuffs and the bottom of the pants? It's not much.

     

    However, I think people who don't like these are quickly forgetting just how bad the Jags old unis were! the trapezoid box stripe on the pants, the overdesigned numbers, and the gradient were all-time bad.

     

    I quite like the angled stripe on the socks. It's unique and subtle and a nice change of pace because so many teams just use one-color socks.

  16. The red rocks Jazz uniforms have grown on me, they are just fun. Remind me a lot of the tequila sunrise Astros or the rainbow skyline Nuggets

     

    But talk about a team without a color identity. I wonder how Jazz fans feel about what exactly their identity is? They had phases where they were green, then purple, then the 90s teal gold and purple craziness, THEN another trend-driven two tone blue during the 00's, THEN back to retro look while still totally changing the colors with the navy-green-yellow combination, THEN another total curveball with the red-orange-yellow uniform.

    (That must be one of the only examples in sports where a team wears basically every color on the ROYGBIV spectrum in their history, right? I guess you cant say whether the current City ones are red or orange, but they cover every single other color. Crazy.)

  17. 26 minutes ago, TorinK92 said:

    Habs came away better here IMO. I'm glad the silver O is a one-off, and a hem stripe would really help the Sens sweater.

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    First time we have seen the two-color striped collar in that "polo" collar section on the Sens there? The Blackhawks would have been better served going with a collar like that on their red uniform (white instead of silver on the inner section obviously) instead of the oversided collar with the pentagon cutout.

     

    Habs do not look great. silver is incredibly unnecessary with their scheme and really muddies it. Don't love the silver trim on the blue numbers. Senators look like a weird Portland Trail Blazers NHL-NBA crossover. Underwhelmed by these.

     

     

     

  18. Celtics and lakers are both looking completely off when it comes to color, totally agree with everyone. Is it just a uniform fabric issue, or did they actually change the color value? this could be a thing where they fix it next season, like FSU fixing their gold numbers after one season. Gotta admit the mistake if it looks this bad. i wonder if more casual fans notice or if its just us. it seems like such a stupid and avoidable mistake.

  19. ^ Agreed but this current uniform matchup...... new Avs homes (clearly the better of the 2 new unis of theirs) + small improvements to numbers on an already-solid Bruins uniform = simply outstanding uniform matchup. They both look great and plenty of contrast.

  20. I defended the new Preds yellow jerseys when they were first unveiled, but they just looked... wrong on the ice. i agree that they need to bring back the navy helmets... and maybe just start over on the striping pattern. the thin white line between the yellow and navy just doesn't work.

     

    The Knights looked fantastic in grey. Always good to see an expansion team get it right the first time.

  21. Has anyone brought up the Flyers collars on the road unis? The black panel doesn't line up with the orange yoke and it really annoys me. Making the whole collar one color would have fixed this. it's really bad.

     

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    Watching the Coyotes Ducks game, the Ducks collars weren't really that bad. if anything they are an improvement over the really complicated collars from last year.

     

    They also look fine on teams with shoulder yokes with the same color as the collar (Bruins, Blues, Oilers).

     

    Really the biggest eyesore is when the "pentagon" that contains the NHL logo really contrasts with the rest of the collar. the blackhawks are just an egregious example of this.

     

  22. 42 minutes ago, Red Wolf said:

    I feel like the Jags' helmets are so appalling that it's tricked us into thinking the rest of the set is fine. Not great or anything, but fine. In my mind, even pretending that the Jags used a regular, beautiful, glossy helmet I feel like they're a bottom 5 or so look in the league. 

     

    Easily a bottom 5 look in the league IMO even if you completely ignore the helmet -- down there with the Bucs, Cardinals, and Browns.

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