The_Admiral

They most certainly did not. The Cubs use plain athletic block. The Mets use condensed athletic block (like the Raiders and Bears). The Expos used varsity serif.

You really can't fight city hall, huh. Part of me wants to admire the tenacity of this small but proud bunch of Coyotes fans until I stop and deconstruct what it really comes down to, which is "we want you to pay a billionaire to entertain us with no risk on our part because we don't live here," which is of course rather a unsavory demand to make of a city that's practically broke. Interesting that the cabal of Chelmdate councilors who have hijacked the city government appear to be Democrats of the corporatist variety. A tent too big.

Actually, many teams had their best fiscal year when they didn't field a team. One of them was the Phoenix Coyotes.

I think they had to be on public property, so no Westgate. I think they sat outside a library or a pool or something. They also had a Coyotes fan club harassing them and prospective signatories.

For two old guys sitting outside in 100+ heat working on short notice, I'd say 1,500 is pretty good. If it had been a more coordinated campaign, they could've done much better, but the whole thing seemed hastily assembled. This whole thing is really starting to impair my enjoyment of the NHL. I might still have distant relatives up in Quebec. It's personal now.

hahahahaha. Between this and the well-worn "Marge v. the Monorail" analogy, this whole thing is the fourth season of The Simpsons. Where's Gabbo?

Consider it Icecap-service.

Sounds like Glendale rejected it because they forgot to fill in part of a registration form or something. There were enough signatures, they just threw it out on a technicality. This crap's never gonna end. I still don't think Greg Jamison has the money (source: Greg Jamison)

Oh hey everyone the motherboard of my computer has been DEAD! since Monday and I need to repair or replace my laptop. Did I miss anything? NO OF COURSE I DIDN'T IT'S THE PHOENIX COYOTES THREAD Anyway. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Ergo, they just might do it. However, for the sake of record-keeping, it might not be the worst idea if they presented this scenario in public, that the Coyotes franchise has been nuked and this new team has no connection, just so we don't have to relive that whole "you have to honor your franchise history or we'll take your lunch money" thing we went through with Winnipeg and Atlanta, which would be doubly stupid here as we force the Quebec Nordiques to celebrate the WHA Winnipeg Jets. As for the Sacramento Kings entering NHL territory when it comes to bad business, I don't know about that. I don't think they're there yet. So far, they've just unfolded the map. We haven't had the Maloofs offer to sell to the team A Secret Mystery Owner not once but thrice. Incidentally, can you imagine Bettman taking the Glendale act to Newark? Go tell Cory Booker you need to hit his city up for $25 million in "arena management fees" while you put the finishing touches on a deal with a secret mystery owner whose name cannot be mentioned at this time. That'll go over well, I'm sure of it. Finally, I've hypothesized this before, and I need you guys to tell me I'm wrong: with the linkage system in the CBA, it's actually beneficial for there to be really weak teams, as they keep strong teams from having to spend in proportion to their own respective revenues. If spending were tied to how much money the Leafs/Bruins/Canadiens/Canucks make, they'd be spending much more; by having the Coyotes/Panthers/Hurricanes/etc drag down the average, they can spend much less. So is it actually in the best interests of the league's power brokers to maintain failure? In the case of the Coyotes, where they own them, does the money each team has to pony up to cover remaining losses justify the cap not going up to the extent that it would in a non-failed market?

One of the videos on the sidebar to "You Want a Chili Dog, Nerd?" is the 1993 Walter Matthau film adaptation of Dennis the Menace, in its 92-minute entirety. Why, though?

Wherein some piece of crap harasses the old guy gathering signatures. I swear this is the same guy as: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg7fAqQizDA

Yeah, that would be a bad situation, but preferable to what we have now, since I doubt they would've gone into receivership and stayed there for three or maybe four years. Hamilton would've failed anyway. Without even getting into Balsillie losing his fortune, the team would be dead as a doornail the second the Leafs are good again.

So it almost came to this: http://www.azcentral...l#ixzz1yqLZzycX I didn't even think Glendale had an art collection.

Personally, I'm particularly worried about how the Cubs will try to "creatively and dynamically" "partner" with the city to renovate their private property. And they'll say the same things, that it's a good investment because of tourism and surrounding businesses and whatever else, but the city doesn't have the money, and the Tribune seemed to take care of its property just fine with their own money. Fortunately, the Ricketts clan is such a bunch of tone-deaf square-state gomers that they can't present a plan to the city without leaving the flash drive with the PowerPoint on it at home. I'd hate to see Chicago raise its sales taxes even more just to build that stupid goddamn "triangle building" the Cubs have wanted for like ten years.

Yeah, just collect insurance after the arson. I'll help burn it down. Of course, I will require a considerable Riot Management Fee for my services, but when you consider that I'm assuming the risk, you're actually coming out ahead!

Well, no, because they budgeted for sales tax revenue from adjacent properties to pay for it and those revenues never materialized. At least one culturally bankrupt gimp has gone to the Jimmy Buffett restaurant.

Funny you mention him. It hit me the other day how similar Glendale is to Zion when I was reading Joyce Clark's twitter. All that talk about praying to God to prove the naysayers wrong is the same old movie, and I already know how it ends. Oh, and Camelback Ranch failed because it was supposed to be surrounded by exciting new retail developments that never got built because the Phoenix/national/global economy went bye-bye. Kind of like Westgate if it had been aborted.

So it's come to this: http://www.azcentral...t.html#comments No one talks enough about how that Camelback Ranch thing is just as much a disaster as the Coyotes/Jobberdome. "It has two team facilities separated by a fully stocked pond! We didn't pay for it!" You can't fight City Hall, but apparently you can pawn it off. EDIT: oh and http://www.azcentral.com/community/glendale/articles/2012/06/20/20120620glendale-possible-sales-tax-hike-referendum.html Sports.

But why buy the cow when you not only get the milk for free, but get paid to drink it, too? (No, can't you see, you evil relocationist naysayer? It's a Milk Management Fee! It's standard procedure! Greg Jamison assumes all risks of spilling milk on himself! That's what people don't realize!) Public ownership with a private master lease is the best of all possible worlds; you get all the revenue while paying nominal rent rather than property taxes. And this deal not only does that but includes a generous subsidy as well. There is no world in which voluntary cessation of this handout makes any sense for the "arena manager." If you actually believe he would use his option to buy the arena, you are without a shadow of a doubt one of the dumbest human beings ever to draw breath. hey buddy

Caught this on Joyce Clark's twatter feed: Between "it's illegal, ahhh, so whaaat" editorials and aldermen trying to forge signatures, it's like Daley took the whole machine down there. here's a video from informglendale.com: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqlP0ZUhNjU cool story, bro

This whole thing is a labyrinth of contingencies, false dilemmas, and straight-up lies, but my new favorite is the one that goes like this: but when it's mentioned that all this could be done without subsidizing the hockey team, So which is it? How is it that the key to saving the Coyotes is supplementing the anchor tenant if you're simultaneously arguing that the arena cannot be supplemented? If monster truck rallies and concerts and conventions and such won't come to your podunk arena without a team there, why would they be more likely to come there with fewer open dates to do so? It makes no sense.

STFU Your team's gameplan is largely predicated on unpenalized obstruction and a goaltender who dives like Greg Louganis; you have no right whatsoever to bitch about the refs. "A doormat in the league" doesn't finish 4th, 6th, and 3rd under league ownership. And the idea that "no one stands up for you" is silly considering that if the league didn't "stand up for them" in the first place, they'd have moved to Quebec this summer, Winnipeg last summer, or Hamilton THREE FREAKING YEARS AGO. Just retire already, Whitney, you worthless compiler.

Before we say this is a slam dunk for Quebec, let's remember that the NHL was running the Coyotes, Stars, and Blues at the same time this season. They could own both on paper if they really had to, I guess. What a league!

I wonder why Jamison, who said himself he's short on money, wouldn't cash out of the Sharks, of which he owns something like maybe 10% at most. Gotta figure that's at least $20 million right there, and if he's to be the managing partner of Taxpayer Shakedown LLC or whatever, he can't have that other ownership stake, anyway. Surely it couldn't be that he has no confidence in this plan and is hedging against its failure, because he said he Believes In The Market. Money, mouth? I also wonder why if Greg Jamison is some sort of arena management wizard, who apparently can make a venue calendar fuller than a Thanksgiving stomach simply by saying "come here, for I am Greg Jamison!", he hasn't been doggedly pursued by a number of other teams who could use his sparkling business acumen after the Sharks' other owners pushed him out for fiddling around with MMA crap at the expense of hockey operations. And if all it takes to flesh out the Jobberdome's calendar from nothing but Coyotes games and high school graduations (yeah seriously) is Greg Jamison's Proven Success, what does he need $20 million a year for? I also wonder why "fiddling around with MMA crap at the expense of hockey operations" makes someone the savior of a hockey team.