Both of these are fantastic, just YES Raysox, diggin' the red line to form the lower half, that works really well and the hint of green above it just pops. It just works. for me, i notice the banner around the logo pretty strong and i can't unsee a giant Z that wraps around it; embrace it or maybe touch it? And the bear stylized is really nice, and the only thing I notice would be that the 3 points on his chin feels a bit too much for me. It feels too regular like an inverted crown. Mcrosby, my jaw dropped when I saw the California. Most creative use and just eye-catching. Really sharp looking. I like the addition of the soccer ball, I'd like to imagine the bear just rolling it around ahahah I don't quite understand the gap between the ground where the bear is on and the banner. I can see it registers with the width of the brown outer border, but the bear and his land feels like it's floating. And I'm eagerly waiting to see what color scheme will show up; I'm not sure if you're going with brown, red, white? and gray? As an avid MLS viewer, anything along the lines of this will be picked up. Also, California Athletic sounds great.