OMMF
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Yikes. I'm bummed we're not getting hockey here, but at least we have a functioning police force.
Emphasis on force.
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FORTITUDE!
I was waiting for him to ask about their grapefruits.
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Seattle Mad Oxen?
No singular names. Mad Oxens.
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If there is still doubt, here's a local news story showing KeyArena's ice making capabilities.
Speaking of local news, isn't it surprising how little the Seattle Times cares about the Coyotes? It's a pretty stark contrast to their up-to-the-second reporting on the Kings/Hansen saga.
It is but at least they were running full articles about the NHL each day this week. I take what I can get. Also, wasn't the Times against building the new arena? I can see why they would chose to not cover something that, by association, they don't support.
Here is some boring reading from the Glendale Council:
http://www.glendaleaz.com/Clerk/agendasandminutes/Meetings/Agendas/062513-26.pdf
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If there is still doubt, here's a local news story showing KeyArena's ice making capabilities.
http://www.king5.com/sports/canucks/Seattle-NHL-212867481.html
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Isn't that the case in any series though? San Jose woukd have to do the same in a series where Detroit has home ice advantage.
Right. Point is that travel isn't the same for both teams in any given series. So saying both teams are under the same conditions isn't 100% correct.
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I was thinking about something.....could the NHL be using Seattle as a stop-over before moving the team to Quebec City?
The NHL is pretty dead-set on realigning the league for next season, apparently. There's nothing definite about Seattle building a new arena (while QC is getting their arena built right now), and the NHL has said they'll re-visit the league's soon-to-be-adopted realignment plan after three seasons. By then, Quebec's arena will be completed (and possibly given a trial run by a minor league team), we'll have a good idea on Seattle being a worthy NHL market, and other teams with money issues (namely the Devils) would have three years to see which financial direction they're going in.....all the while the league's salary cap restraints (if I remember correctly) are set for the next couple seasons. (Did the league and NHLPA agree to a fixed cap limit for the next few years, in the $64-million neighborhood?)
The league is hell bent on realignment because Detroit and Columbus complained about going out West all the time. Of course, the ironic aspect this fervent desire for realignment is that if Detroit and Columbus were to stay out West, they would likely only play around 4 more games each in the Mountain or Pacific time zone than they would in the East thanks to the NHL's guarantee that each team plays at least a home and home.
Mainly, it's a playoff thing. The travel for West coast games is taxing, while Eastern teams can literally drive to the visitors arena.
If I am not mistaken, your playoff opponent is under the same travel conditions as you. Sorry, bad rationale.
I don't agree with the other side but your argument isn't entirely correct. Let's say LA/ANA/SJ/VAN had home ice over DET/CBJ. The latter teams would have to make 2 extra flights that the former wouldn't: one to start the series and, if they won, one home or to the host of the next round.
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I think I have stated the Seattle Roast billions of times already. It would be an awesome tribute to the coffee industry, and I love Seattle coffee (specifically Starbucks).
Ever think there's a reason everyone keeps ignoring you?
I am just based on his coffee choice. Starbucks? Bleh.
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Ding! Remember, by coming up short of HRR projections, the league can take the difference out of the players' salaries in escrow. Shane Doan pays for the comfort of Shane Doan.
Silvertips, yes (Everett is a trek), Thunderbirds, doubtful. Good thing they have that new-ish mid-sized arena. oops
They're both a 30-35 minute drive from KeyArena so one isn't more of a "trek" than the other. And with the move to Kent, it divided the city fanbase. Not saying a lot of old Seattle fans became Everett ones but they do go there to watch the Silvertips lose. I live in W Seattle and I feel like we are pretty far North to be STH for the Thunderbirds.
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Not comparing the situations, but could someone tell me what the plan was in Tampa when the Lightning got a team? They played their inaugural season at Expo Hall which was poorly set up for hockey and too small. Then they moved to the Thunderdome for 3 seasons which was way too big. During those 4 years, were there plans for the Tampa Bay Times Forum in place? Why three years in a baseball stadium?
Ottawa's situation wasn't much better. 3+ years in the Civic Centre.
I certainly wouldn't want Seattle to replicate either of those situations.
Is there anything short of a willing investor keeping teams out of Kansas City? It would be a race to be the main tenant but once you got there, you would be set.
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I don't doubt that Seattle hockey fans, for the most part (transplants will half-heartedly dip their toes in; you're not winning Hawks/Wings fans over right now) would take up the new team. I just wonder if there are enough, and if the economics of this won't be a huge drain on the league.
For whatever it's worth, I've never thought of Washington State in and of itself being a great hockey territory by dint of its WHL franchises. I always looked at it more like British Columbia and Alberta had run out of mid-sized cities to house their BRAP BRAP BRAP GOOD STRONG WESTERN CANADIAN BOYS BRAP BRAP, and so Spokane and Kennewick were expected to, if not change the way we think about hockey fandom, at least not take a steaming dump on the whole concept. I'm sure there are people in the state who like hockey, but just because it's north doesn't mean there's a hockey culture. Eastern Washington is basically just Idaho.
Spokane is consistently in the top 10 of the CHL for average attendance. Sure, some of that is a byproduct of having a larger arena than most of the CHL but they are also filling those seats up.
Again, not trying to sell people on the Coyotes succeeding amazingly up here. I just think there is more of an appeal than people think there is.
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They love the Mariners
Barely above 20K per game average. Love might be a strong word.
I don't like the way this is playing out, either. But I think the cries that there would be no one to attend the games are a lot of hyperbole. Hell, the Rat City Rollergirls roller derby team are the top draw at KeyArena currently. There's disposable money out there, just have to market the team right.
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there's no history of hockey support in this arena
You know how I know you aren't from here?
Granted, I've never been to Kent to watch Thunderbirds,
My sarcasm aside, I'd be happy to buy you a ticket. I think the experience is night and day. ShoWare is no peach, either but it's miles ahead of KeyArena. Having said that, there were numerous games between '95 and when the TBirds left for Kent that wouldn't have fit in any of the arenas in Western Washington. 11036 I believe was the capacity on opening night. I don't think much has changed since then. For a couple of seasons, hopefully, that doesn't seem too bad.
I think you'll end up with the same problem in Seattle as you would in numerous other cities. It would almost be a combination of Buffalo and Sunrise. When the Canucks are in town, I'm sure all those fans would come down because the tickets are cheaper, not to mention all the Vancouver fans that live here. And because the city hasn't had an NHL presence, other teams have been adopted as favorites and those allegiances die hard.
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BREAKING: Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn acknowledges recent discussions with NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman
BREAKING: McGinn says a Hansen rep introduced him to potential Seattle NHL investors two weeks ago.
BREAKING: NHL investors also met with Seattle City Council members.
BREAKING: McGinn “We believe we can support the NHL in Key Arena”.
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there's no history of hockey support in this arena
You know how I know you aren't from here?
Is my computer slow or is that one not animated?
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there's no history of hockey support in this arena
You know how I know you aren't from here?
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http://prohockeytalk...rchase-coyotes/
The NHL has said thanks but no thanks to a California businessman who recently made an offer to purchase the Phoenix Coyotes and keep them in Glendale.An investment group led by Alberta investment banker George Gosbee may be the favorite to buy the club and keep it in the desert.
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The site looks incredibly messed up for me in Chrome.
Same here.
Nothing wrong for me in Chrome. Are you guys using an ad blocker? (Sorry, Chris)
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it is a slippery slope.
Slippery slopes exist only where people want them to. When it comes to private organizations, they are certainly capable of doing one thing without having to do another and be justifiable in doing so.
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So 6,000 for an AHL game means a city should be on the short list of places to go but a Coyotes-like 9800 in Kansas City for an exhibition game means salting the earth there? Oh, also ignore that the place was sold out for the most recent game there and was sold out ahead of the event.
(Not meant to anyone specifically. There just seems to be a lot of awful logic in this entire thread.)
Taking two different things said by two different people and making them into one argument tends to yield awful logic.
Kind of like the whole thread, no? There's nothing, really nothing, that can predict what a city is going to be like when it gets a franchise. Seattle sold out the Kingdome for soccer in the 70's, then had less than 5,000 people a game at Qwest Field before being the number 1 team in MLS in attendance. One of the largest cities in the world, Los Angeles, does not even have a franchise in it's country's most popular sport. You can cite minor-league attendance, neutral city tv ratings or histories of previous incarnations but none of it is predictive.
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So 6,000 for an AHL game means a city should be on the short list of places to go but a Coyotes-like 9800 in Kansas City for an exhibition game means salting the earth there? Oh, also ignore that the place was sold out for the most recent game there and was sold out ahead of the event.
(Not meant to anyone specifically. There just seems to be a lot of awful logic in this entire thread.)
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