I'm trying to get into the making concepts thing, and some logos are easy to vectorize using Live Trace (the Tigers D.) but some when you use live trace it simplifies them, which I know is what is supposed to happen, but I don't understand how people vectorize things. I'm sure theres a tutorial somewhere on the forum, but, when I did a search, I couldn't find one. I mean, some of the logos I want vectorized are easy to find (any of the four major sports) but some are not (the AFL). And, even logos I can find, it'd just be nice to know how to vectorize things well. So, could someone point me to a good tutorial?