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BTW, Utah may be the luckiest of all in realignment business. Texas' PP to get the LHN network and "save" the Big 12 last year allowed them to get a spot at the table.
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UCF and USF aren't going to get taken by an AQ conference.
USF's already in an AQ conference... for now, anyway.
I was talking about in the future, because the Big East collapse is going to cost them their place at the table. They may end up in the Big 12-Big East mash up, but I don't think that will be AQ.
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For those of you saying that UCF doesn't have the acdemics:
In 2011, UCF was rated 33rd among the "Best Values in Public Colleges" in the United States by Kiplinger,[86] and as one of the "50 Best Value Public Universities" by USA Today and The Princeton Review.[87] In its 2012 edition of Best Colleges, U.S. News & World Report ranks UCF 97th among public universities and 177th overall on the list of Tier I National Universities,[88][89] in addition to being the fourth-best "Up-and-Coming" national university.[7] UCF is also ranked as a "Best Southeastern College" by The Princeton Review.[90]Taken from the wikipedia page. And unlike many wikipedia pages, this page actually cited their sources.
I'm gonna leave that one alone. Your source of information speaks volumes.
just read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Central_Florida#Academics
I'm giving you evidence that UCF is a viable candidate for the ACC. You haven't given me any counter evidence.
I can't post links from my iPhone, but as long as you continue to site Wikipedia, I don't really need to. UCF is NOT a player. None of the power conferences care what they're doing. Deal with it.
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/ucf-3954
Now you need to.
Right there is why everyone is saying they don't have the academics. #177. The closest is FSU at 101. The gap between #2 in the ACC and FSU is closer than the gap between FSU and UCF. That isn't an association those schools want to have, to put it bluntly. It is snobbish, but that is what it is. This goes beyond athletics, it is who you want to grouped with in peoples minds.
And as I said before the ACC already has the Orlando Market. FSU has a flagship state institution already gives them the market. Adding UCF is dividing the pie without growing it.
UCF and USF aren't going to get taken by an AQ conference.
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The SEC's actions are about controlling the narrative (namely, we aren't evil raiders who blew everything up for fun and profit). And avoiding a decade in the courtroom with Ken Starr. The Gentleman's Agreement is fine for #13 and #14, but Silve can legitimately say all bets are off for #15 and #16 and what's best for the league trumps parochial concerns.
But there still the Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina voting block. I know 16 is the number everyone is talking about and the Pac-12 may be going to 16, but I don't think the other conference are going that far. It isn't like 16 gets you something like 12 did.
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I still say they go after Missouri, WVU, and Virginia Tech.
My reasoning for Virginia Tech is now with the additions to the ACC, basketball wise, V-Tech loses a lot in the conference. Atleast if they join the SEC, the competition isn't as tough.
The ACC buyout price prevents them from leaving. It's going to be UConn and UCF going to the ACC. UConn goes for obvious reasons. UCF goes because I think the SEC wakes up, and adds WVU, A&M, Louisville, and USF. They'll try to go after USF, but when the SEC offers, the jump. So they turn to the next best option. UCF is the largest university in Florida, and very rich. If they do join, they'll probably expand their stadium to around 60,000 (which I believe is already planned). If they join the ACC, they're competitive enough in the major sports to make the jump.
Didn't the Big XII up its buyout penalties after last offseason?
The ACC's buyout hike is a symbolic deterrent, not a prohibitive factor. If you want out, you'll find the money to get out.
Not to $20M. And with the additions of Pitt and 'Cuse, it seems like the changes they're making will make the current members more inclined to stay put.
Nebraska negotiated theirs down to $10 million. Since we can all assume that TV deals are going to end up being renegotiated for $Texas dollars, what is another ten million if it means membership in the Big Ten or SEC. The current Big Ten tv deals paid out more than $20 million last season. Again, it sounds nice to the people, but it is not an impenetrable barrier by any means.
Wow. Ok, the current members of the ACC now seem to be fine with staying in the ACC. So why would they try to leave simply just to say they got around the buyout? Just because you think they can, doesn't mean they're going to when all signs are pointing to them NOT leaving. The ACC has now aligned itself up pretty well for the potential superconferences and appear to only be "buyers" not "sellers".
And I'm sure Florida State and Clemson are perfectly fine with sticking in the ACC. Right up until Mike Silve calls Tallahassee and Clemson. Just because the ACC looks to survive doesn't mean you cannot still improve your lot in life.
Mike Slive isn't going to be calling FSU and Clemson. It is pretty clear by now that Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, and Kentucky are forming a voting block to say no to adding new members from existing SEC states.
Further more Slive and the SEC have shown in their game of chicken with the Pac-12 that they are unwilling to get into a fight with another conference. Otherwise they would have just accepted A&M straight away and not used the if all the Big 12 teams agree to let them go language. By adding 2 teams and raising the buyout, even though the buyout is symbolic, it shows the ACC is going to be proactive and fight. That looks to be scaring off the conservative Slive. The West Virginia to the SEC talk basically shows the SEC may not go after a ACC school.
Ultimately I think the SEC waits for the Pac-12 to move and blow up the Big 12, then take Missouri and stay at 14.
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I still say they go after Missouri, WVU, and Virginia Tech.
My reasoning for Virginia Tech is now with the additions to the ACC, basketball wise, V-Tech loses a lot in the conference. Atleast if they join the SEC, the competition isn't as tough.
The ACC buyout price prevents them from leaving. It's going to be UConn and UCF going to the ACC. UConn goes for obvious reasons. UCF goes because I think the SEC wakes up, and adds WVU, A&M, Louisville, and USF. They'll try to go after USF, but when the SEC offers, the jump. So they turn to the next best option. UCF is the largest university in Florida, and very rich. If they do join, they'll probably expand their stadium to around 60,000 (which I believe is already planned). If they join the ACC, they're competitive enough in the major sports to make the jump.
There has been no talk of UCF to the ACC. Rutgers may end up being the 16th. No one is leaving the ACC. The price is too high. UWV, Mizzou and Louisville are the top possibilities for the SEC. If they go 16, could be all 3. If Notre Dame does indeed go to the Big Ten, then they need to find a 14th or more. Then Mizzou really becomes a hot commodity for both conferences. And with the Big East basically dismantling, TCU could come back into play as well.
There was no previous talk of Pittsburg and Syracuse to the ACC either. Nobody wants Rutgers. They bring nothing to the table but mediocre football and women's basketball. I think they join either the B1G because the B1G becomes desperate after they realize all the teams they wanted are gone, or they go to some other conference made up of all of the other BCS teams that were left behind. I think MIzzou goes to the B1G. It makes more geographical sense, and I'm not sure they want to compete in the SEC.
UCF is the same as Rutgers, mediocre in both and not nearly the academic level. Their best bet at improvement woul be a stripped down Big East. And as the fact that you didn't hear about Pitt or 'Cuse, UCF is not big time playmakers like them. No one cares about what UCF might do or cares if they plan to do anything.
Except UCF is better at both sports than Rutgers, they are located in metropolitan Orlando, and they are the biggest university in Florida, with over 56,000 students. They're also stinking rich. They would compete in the ACC much better than Rutgers could.
UCF isn't close enough academically to the other ACC schools. Going by the US News & World Report rankings are 177 academically. The other ACC schools rankings: Duke-5, UVA-25, Wake-25, UNC- 29, BC- 31, Ga Tech- 36, Miami- 38, Maryland- 55, Pitt-58, Syracuse- 62, Clemson- 68, Va Tech- 71, FSU- 101, NC State-101. The other said possibilities from the Big East Rutgers and UConn both fall about in the middle of the conference academically. Ultimately these decisions are being made by the school presidents who are academics, so that part is going to matter because these are the other schools you get associated with. Much like with the Big Ten, academics is a big issue with the ACC Presidents.
Plus with FSU they already have the Orlando market. FSU is is a big state school so it already gives the conference all the markets in the State. Add on top of that Miami and they are settled nicely in Florida.
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I'm hoping those 4 join the Pac. Do you guys think they'd keep North/South divisions, and move Utah and Colorado to the North, and put the new 4 in gthe South?
My guess they go 4 pods. The Cascadia teams in one, the California teams in another, The Arizona and Mountain teams in another, Texas and Oklahoma in the 4th. You play every one in the pod every year and then some sort of rotation among the other. Depending on how the rules for a championship game work you could have some sort of floating divisions based on the pods.
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WVU's academics are not an issue. Florida State's were pretty much just as mediocre as West Virginia's when they joined the ACC in 1992.
But FSU was a football power located in a large populated State with many major media markets. WVU is a good football team located in a small less populated state with no major media markets. WVU doesn't have the extra stuff for the conference to overlook the academics like with FSU.
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If this all goes through, hopefully the ACC would reorganize it's football divisons. Potentially......
ACC North
Boston College
Maryland
Pitt
Syracuse
Virginia
Virginia Tech
UConn/West Virginia/Rutgers (2 of these 3 would be the most logically choices IMO)
ACC South
Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Miami
Wake Forest
This makes since, though I don't thin they are going to 16 yet unless they somehow get Texas in as a full member (not looking good on that front). That means one of the NC-based schools need to switch to the North.
I think it's a very real possibility that they go 16. The Big East/12 are gonna be raided so the others will have to go somewhere.
There's a lot of moving parts to say the least and I'm not sure any of these conferences have a plan.
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If this all goes through, hopefully the ACC would reorganize it's football divisons. Potentially......
ACC North
Boston College
Maryland
Pitt
Syracuse
Virginia
Virginia Tech
UConn/West Virginia/Rutgers (2 of these 3 would be the most logically choices IMO)
ACC South
Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Miami
Wake Forest
This makes since, though I don't thin they are going to 16 yet unless they somehow get Texas in as a full member (not looking good on that front). That means one of the NC-based schools need to switch to the North.
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This is the death of the Big East. With Pitt and Syracuse going to the ACC and Boston College already there, look for UConn and one other school to apply to the ACC to create a 16-school 'superconference.' There's no way the conference survives that.
There's talk that 8-10 schools have applied the the ACC. It's possible that just Cuse and Pitt were the only leaked names.
Big East schools?
Pitt, Cuse, UConn, Rutgers, South Florida, Louisville, Cincy, WVU?
8-10 schools in general. Texas and maybe Texas Tech maybe the other 2. It has basically been confirmed that Texas has talked with the ACC, I would guess their little brother has had a conversation.
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Missouri, Kansas, and Kansas St. look to be heading to the Big East. Those schools had discussions with the Big East last year when it looked like the Pac-16 was going to happen. Missouri would like to go into the Big Ten, but I think the B1G wants to go east with their expansion at this point.
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A 16-conference can work if you treat it like 2 small conferences with an association crossover.
Each 8-team division would play the other teams in division plus one or two rotating (or permanent) opponents from the other one. The other three games would be non-conference. Division winner would meet in the title game and go from there.
I see it more like 4 divisions of 4. I'll use the SEC as an example. Assuming the SEC expands with Texas A&M, Missouri, Florida State, and Clemson...
(By the way...just what the SEC needs is two more 'Tigers' nicknames in the conference....)
First, we'll pair off the permanent East vs. West opponents:
Auburn - Georgia
Alabama - Tennessee
LSU - Florida
Arkansas - South Carolina
Ole Miss - Vanderbilt
Mississippi State - Kentucky
Missouri - Clemson
Texas A&M - Florida State
Secondly, we'll create the four divisions:
Western Sub-Conference
Division A: Arkansas, LSU, Missouri, Texas A&M
Division B: Alabama, Auburn, Miss State, Ole Miss
Eastern Sub-Conference
Division A: Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Kentucky
Division B: Clemson, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Thirdly, we'll pair off the permanent Sub-Conference (A vs. B ) opponents:
LSU - Alabama
Arkansas - Auburn
Missouri - Ole Miss
Texas A&M - Miss State
Florida - Tennessee
Georgia - South Carolina
Kentucky - Vanderbilt
Florida State - Clemson
Obviously, they'll have to go to nine conference games. After that, they can go in two directions, both of which allows the opportunity for players to play every conference school at least once within a 4-year period:
Option #1:
Play each school in your division once (3 games)
Play two schools (one home game, one away game) in the other three sub-conferences, two of which are your designated permanent opponents, the other four schools rotated annually (6 games)
Using Georgia as an example for scheduling:
Florida, @ Florida State, Kentucky, South Carolina, @ Tennessee, Alabama, @ Auburn, LSU, @ Missouri
Option #2:
Play each school in your division once (3 games)
Play all four schools (two home, two away) in another division (rotate between other three divisions annually) (4 games)
Play one school from other two divisions (one home, one away) (2 games) Plug in your designated permanent opponents when necessary.
Using Georgia as an example for scheduling:
Florida, @ Florida State, Kentucky, South Carolina, @ Tennessee, Vanderbilt, @ Clemson, @Auburn, Arkansas
Then, to decide a champion, it becomes a 4-team playoff. The two sub-conference division champions play each other at the site of the school with the better record (West A vs. West B, East A vs. East B ) and the followiing weekend...the West Sub-Conference Champion plays the East Sub-Conference Champion for the SEC Championship in the Georgia Dome.
How does this effect the rules regarding number of game a team could play? Under this two teams play 14 games, I don't think that is allowed under current rules.
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How can a great conference like the Big XII fall apart so epically.
Built in structural inequalities between various members.
That and a lack of conviction of the big powers to work to save the league. If Texas (and lesser extent Oklahoma) wanted to save the Big 12 they would have agreed to equal payments like the SEC, Big Ten, and Pac-10/12 have and Nebraska and Colorado most likely wouldn't have left in the first place. However instead of doing that Texas flirted with the Pac-10 and then basically bullied the teams that would be left behind (Kansas, Kansas St., Missouri, Baylor, Iowa St.) to agree to keep the uneven distribution in place and allow teams (re: Texas) to be able to start their own regional networks, furthering the imbalance. And that power play is what is dooming the conference a year later.
So Texas gets a lot for football I am sure Kansas got a lot for basketball.
Basketball makes very little overall comparative to football. The main media event in College Basketball is the NCAA tournament and it is controlled by the NCAA not the conferences. Regular season college basketball is essentially filler programming for ESPN during the winter. As such basketball by and large adds little to the conferences tv contracts. Thus this all being driven by football and basketball is of little consideration.
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Well of course they can't invite them NOW. A&M hasn't officially left the Big XII yet. But in about 48 hours...
/There are procedures to this and forms that must be followed.
Pretty much. That and they probably don't have a 14th team locked down yet.
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According to this, the SEC is about to jump to 16 with Texas A&M, Mizzou, Florida State, and Clemson.
The "media reports" were Doug Gottlieb spitballing.
Pretty much. He went on Sportscenter and said that he had a source from the Big 12 saying A&M was gone to the SEC and that his source thinks Missouri, Clemson, and FSU are the logical fits for the other teams. Basically speculation, probably in hopes to invoke fear in Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina to block a vote of A&M in fear it would mean their current markets are moved into.
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Aside from all the potential domino effect all this conference shuffle may or may not cause, I have a question.
Why expand? I can understand getting to 12 teams because that's the minimum the NCAA set for a conference championship game. But beyond that, does expanding to 14 or 16 teams increase the revenue pie to the point where even though the schools are getting a smaller slice proportionally, they still are making more money?
Well in the case of the Big Ten it comes down to subscriber fees for Big Ten Network. Currently the Big Ten gets $.70 per month for every subscriber to the Big Ten Network in a state with a B10 school. In states without they get about $.30 per subscriber. If they expand east for example where there is a bigger population that ext 40 cents per subscriber ends up adding up and they can make more money per school even having a smaller percentage. This also doesn't take into account a higher rights fee they could get from ESPN and Fox.
It is similar for the Pac-12 except currently they are in the population centers out West. They would be expanding to add quality and therefor increase demand for the Pac-12 channels. Adding some of the current Big 12 schools they would be able to increase the subscriber fees for both in and out of state as the networks would have more marquee content. In addition they would be able to get more money out of ESPN and FOX for their rights. Similar to why Big 10 added Nebraska last year despite Nebraska having a low population.
The SEC probably sees this and knows eventually those two conferences will eventually get to 16. Their landmark deal with ESPN and CBS has almost been matched already by the Pac-12. If they don't keep up they could fall behind. With the Aggies discontent they may see an opportunity to strike first in the expansion race and get that advantage of having first pick. That is key for them as they don't have a network and thus needs to increase demand to get the rights fees they need. That may be why they take FSU over Florida's objections (or pay Florida off for their ok) because that would give a marquee team to increase demand. That and adding more markets from the other teams they add and they can stay ahead.
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Didn't even think of duke/unc for big ten. I could see that. Fit academically and it's a a new footprint with nationwide appeal. Not good football wise, it would certainly weaken the conference in that regard.
It's the "fun" of 2 years ago all over again!!
I think because of the Big Ten Network the conference can look a little bit broader than just football. That and there really isn't any marquee football programs left at that point to grab that fits what the Big Ten may be looking for. Outside of Duke those ACC schools are too terrible of football programs. They'll be middle teams with up years and down years. And for the most part they are marquee basketball programs to offset not being world beaters in football. There would still be a demand for the Big Ten Network in those markets. It would also make the Big Ten the top basketball conference in addition to current status of being one of the top football conferences. Sort of get the best of both worlds.
Didn't even think of duke/unc for big ten. I could see that. Fit academically and it's a a new footprint with nationwide appeal. Not good football wise, it would certainly weaken the conference in that regard.
It's the "fun" of 2 years ago all over again!!
That would take a complete collapse of the ACC. They won't leave the conference.
It would take the collapse of the ACC to pry those two, but it could happen. Let's say the SEC raids two ACC schools (FSU and Va Tech for example). The Big Ten responds by expanding to 14 by taking Maryland and Virginia (both might want out of the ACC at that point). Suddenly that the DC market from the ACC and the ACC is down 4 schools. The schools could stay, but you would have to think then Georgia Tech and Clemson might look to get out, which means the ACC would need more replacements lowering the quality of schools in the conference. They could look around at that point and see the potential writing on the wall and get out first and make sure they are safe (Even if NC State has to get screwed over in the process).
Like pcgd said it is all the fun of two years ago and shows how college sports can be a dog eat dog world.
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If the SEC only takes FSU, that puts the ACC at 11. That would more than likely mean "ACC raiding the Big East 2.0". Not sure how that would shake out, though, because there's a lot of good picks
-South Florida fits it geographically, fills FSU void
-West Virginia also is a geographical fit, plus has a rivalry with VT from back in the pre-04 raid Big East. Consistently being the strong point of Big East football definitely helps
-Rutgers has New York, even though very little people care about college sports outside of the Big East basketball tournament and (in the suburbs) lacrosse. Then again, NYC market = $$$. Fits the academic profile pretty well too (similar to Maryland in terms of public schools)
-UConn also has claim to the NYC market I guess, definitely the southern New England market, plus hoops is its strong point. The BC-UConn divorce from 04 might be touchy, though
-Syracuse fits the academic profile of some other schools in the conference (private school, good academics, 10-15K students), has a rivalry with BC, plus basketball and FWIW lacrosse and field hockey (yes I know there's no importance of non-revenues in all this) match the strong suits of the ACC. Not to mention was supposed to go to the ACC before the Virginia legislature stepped in
-Pitt also fits the academic profile with its good academics, plus brings the Pittsburgh market with them. The football program's usually in the hunt for conference titles, plus basketball brings a bit to the table
So yeah. If the SEC takes one of the ACC schools, I can see them raiding one of those schools. If the Big Ten comes in and swoops Maryland, VT, whathaveyou, either three of those or the Big East joins in on the raid and takes BC and whoever. If we get into 16-team madness, then I can see the two conferences merging together out of survival.
The ACC in that case would go after Syracuse. That is who they originally wanted in 2004, but the Virginia legislator got in the way and forced Va Tech in.
No way would the ACC take West Virginia or USF unless they were completely raided by the SEC and Big Ten. Those schools aren't good enough academically to be a fit.
That said I don't see the SEC just taking just FSU. Only way FSU gets in is if the SEC goes to 16, and even then it may be if Florida is paid off with a portion of FSU's shares. In that case the SEC would take at least one or two more ACC schools (for arguments sake Va Tech). In that case it would be open invitation for the Big Ten to raid and try to grab some combo of UNC, Duke, UVA, and Maryland. In that case the ACC collapses all together and probably merges with the Big East football schools for another super conference.
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Navy to the Big Ten. Ok whatever. The SEC and Big Ten will have their pick of teams. The Pac-12 will pick up the leftovers from the Big 12 collapse and whatever is left of the ACC and Big East football teams will merge together. I don't see Texas going fully independent. They'll take what is left of the Big 12 and some of the other Texas schools and for a sort of renewed SWC that they can dominate. They'll schedule aggressively non-conference to make up for being a smaller conference.
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I'll post this here because this seems to be a better place for it. Mapping out a possible NCAA Super Conferences Scenario.
It all starts with the SEC. The expand to 16 by adding Texas A&M, Missouri, FSU and Va Tech.
Southeastern Conference:
SEC West - SEC East
Texas A&M - Florida
LSU - Florida St.
Arkansas - Georgia
Missouri -S. Carolina
Ole Miss - Tennessee
Miss. St. - Vanderbilt
Alabama - Kentucky
Auburn - Va Tech
As a response the Big Ten and Pac-12 also set forth on expansion into a super conference. The Big Ten goes first by also raiding the ACC by grabbing Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina and Duke. This expands the Big Ten Network in three states and positions themselves as a dominant all-sports conference.
B16 Ten Conference:
B16 Ten West - B16 Ten East
Michigan - Ohio St.
Michigan St. - UNC
Illinios - Purdue
Northwestern - Duke
Nebraska - Penn St.
Iowa - Indiana
Minnesota - Maryland
Wisconsin - Virginia
Pac-12 tried to grab Texas, but can't because Texas won't give up the Longhorn Network. Instead they grab Oklahoma, Okla. St., Kansas and Kansas St. to set up a western 16 team conference. They rename to the Pac-16.
Pac-16 Conference:
Pac 16 Pacific - Pac 16 Plains
USC - Arizona
UCLA - Arizona St.
Stanford - Colorado
Cal - Utah
Oregon - Kansas
Oregon St. - Kansas St.
Washington - Oklahoma
Wash. St - Oklahoma St.
The remaining ACC teams and the Beg East Football teams merge to form a 14-team Atlantic East Conference.
Atlantic East Conference:
AE North - AE South
BC - Miami
UCONN - USF
Syracuse - Ga. Tech
Rutgers - Clemson
Pittsburgh - Wake
West Virginia - NC State
Cincinnati - Louisville
Texas keeps its channel and with the remains of the Big 12 forms its own conference The Big Longhorn Conference (ok the name I gave it is meant to be a humorous on my part). It invites Houston, TCU, SMU, Tulsa, and Memphis to join a 9 team conference of theirs. Texas as a result will still schedule A&M, Oklahoma, and a Marquee Super Conference team to keep up its schedule strength for the polls while hoping to dominate this smaller conference.
Big Longhorn Conference:
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
Houston
TCU
Iowa St.
Memphis
Tulsa
SMU
Notre Dame stays independent in football and stays with the Big East Basketball only schools for non-football.
As a result of all this we ultimately get a playoff. A 6-team playoff with the SEC, B16 Ten, Pac-16, and Atlantic East champions given automatic entry. There would be two at-large places based on the "national playoff standings" (current BCS standings). That would allow a team like Texas or Notre Dame a path in as well as a non-champion from a Super Conference. Teams would be seeded by the "national playoff standings" with #1 and #2 receiving byes. The tournament would be played from Christmas through a week after New Years and be played on a rotating basis at the sites of the current Rose, Orange, Sugar, Fiesta, and Cotton bowls.
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Texas isn't giving up the Longhorn Network and the Big 10 isn't taking Texas with the Longhorn network. The Big 10, SEC, and Pac-12 make all of their members schools turnover broadcast rights for all of their sports over to the conference to sell. That basically makes the TLN a no go for them. The Pac-12 might Texas as they in theory could fold the TLN into one of their regional channels they are launching. That still may require Texas to give up revenue from it. In that regard I see Texas trying to hold onto whatever is left of the Big 12. They would be more than happy if it transforms in the The Big Longhorn Conference.
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Well it looks like this is happening. TAMU has moved up their board of regents meeting to discuss conference affiliation and ESPN is reporting to expect a press conference shortly afterwards. Also the quotes from the Big 12 people sounds like A&M is leaving.
Oh boy... Looks like the Big 12 is going to be dead in the water now. Who would of thought that Texas A&M would be the one that gives it the potential death knell?
Big 12 is not dead unless the Oklahoma schools bolt (they are likely a package deal where if they leave they have to leave together). The Big 12 can probably still exist as the Texas, Oklahoma + 8 other conference. Mainly because the 8 others don't have anywhere to go and deal with Texas having the power. So if A&M leaves they'll operate at 9 or call up Houston fill a spot and be a doormat for Texas.
Naw the uncertainty surrounding the potential of more departures is gonna be too great. Most of the schools are probably going to start to reach out to the other major conferences for membership so that they can find some security and not be left on the backburner with nowhere to go but the MWC.
They may be able to survive with the remaining schools, but I don't think any of them are gonna want to wait around and try and find out.
in terms of $$$, there is not place which a school can try to join, if they are not wanted.
The Big East is the best option for the flyover schools as the Big East looks towards media market size in terms of their importance to get more money than the ACC did.
The Big East will probably get more money on the whole than the ACC given the current media climate with now 3 potential bidder in the picture (ESPN, FOX, and NBC). When the ACC signed their deal NBC/Comcast was in a bit of a holding pattern as far as rights were a concern because the merger hadn't been approved yet. While they got a nice increase in rights in retrospect the ACC signed a horrible deal.
That being said though remember the Big East has to split the basketball portion 17 ways. It is almost a situation where if this thing breaks wide open the some remaining Big East football schools and some of ACC schools make a clean break from each of their conferences and join together for a brand new conference where they can take the full rights to market.
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Well it looks like this is happening. TAMU has moved up their board of regents meeting to discuss conference affiliation and ESPN is reporting to expect a press conference shortly afterwards. Also the quotes from the Big 12 people sounds like A&M is leaving.
Oh boy... Looks like the Big 12 is going to be dead in the water now. Who would of thought that Texas A&M would be the one that gives it the potential death knell?
Big 12 is not dead unless the Oklahoma schools bolt (they are likely a package deal where if they leave they have to leave together). The Big 12 can probably still exist as the Texas, Oklahoma + 8 other conference. Mainly because the 8 others don't have anywhere to go and deal with Texas having the power. So if A&M leaves they'll operate at 9 or call up Houston fill a spot and be a doormat for Texas.
Naw the uncertainty surrounding the potential of more departures is gonna be too great. Most of the schools are probably going to start to reach out to the other major conferences for membership so that they can find some security and not be left on the backburner with nowhere to go but the MWC.
They may be able to survive with the remaining schools, but I don't think any of them are gonna want to wait around and try and find out.
That is why I said unless the Oklahoma schools leave qualifier.
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Pretty reasonable. Basically a replay of 2003 where CUSA gets raided to fill out. The question here is since you have Rutgers in this what happens to UConn?