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Even the 'Hawks fans at HF are Coyote defenders? That's a sad world.

Plus the fact that max is evidently so demented that he doesn't remember when he was posting under each account. "riki" didn't exist in November.

Generic Google says LA to Anaheim is about 26 miles, while Tampa to Orlando is 83 miles.

It's not comparable. My brother lives near Orlando, and if I wanted to go to his neck of the woods, it would be something I plan somewhat out in advance; not just in the spur of the moment.

Here's an idea if they go to Montreal: Move them to the NL East and send Miami to the AL East.

This actually seems quite backwards.

The Rays have always been a bit geographically out of place in the AL East. Baltimore, Toronto, Boston, and New York are all within reasonable distance of each other; Tampa is over 1,000 miles away from Baltimore. If the Rays were to move to Montreal (not gonna happen, but lets play along), that would create a good division rivalry between Toronto and Montreal, and also kinda round out the AL East into a nice, reasonable five-figure shape (I guess they are all pentagons, but you don't get that traditional pentagon-ny shape with lines going from Boston to NY to Baltimore to Toronto to Montreal).

The Marlins have the southern based Braves to go along with in the NL East. The Rays are like a bubble in the AL where nobody is anywhere near them. Hell, isn't the closest geographic team to them, like, the Rangers? Actually, it's probably the Astros now, since Houston is south of Dallas. Stupid re-alignment.

Tampa Bay is a viable baseball market, its just that the population center is closer to the Tampa side of the bay rather that St Pete. Use the following photos as an example:

The red circle is a 5 mile radius and blue circle is 10 miles. As you can see, nearly half of the population within a five mile radius of the Trop (St Pete) breathes through gills while most of population within ten miles does the same. As for the Tampa map, it now includes much more landmass than the Trop location allows for and gets the stadium close to major area traffic arteries such as I-75, I-275, the Crosstown Expressway, as well as US-92.

Also another point of information is the generations of fandoms from other areas who cannot give up their other teams. People like me (I'm 28) are the older end of the diehard majority of Rays fans, as we were early teens when Tampa Bay got the team. As kids grow up, they keep their teams so over time the Rays fans who began as kids become the diehard adult fans with the 25-30 crowd being the beginning of that movement.

You're a little different than I am, then, with regards to those ages. My sports allegiances were established during that extremely narrow window during which the Tampa Bay Lightning played their first game (October 1992) and when the Tampa Bay Devil Rays franchise was formed (which was in either '95 or '96). Take your guesses at my exact age as you wish; that's personal information that I don't reveal.

The thing is, for many people who didn't grow up Rays fans, by the time the Rays finally gave them a product worth supporting, fandoms were too deeply rooted to jump over from anymore. One of my brothers was a huge Cubs fans until around 2008, when the Rays became good. I certainly didn't give him any grief for taking his Rays fandom more seriously at this point; he was well within his rights. Me? Forget the fact that the Yankees are this uber-successful thing that always wins 90 games yada yada. My fandom there was just too deeply rooted to make the switch and, unlike with my secondary support of the NY Giants and Rangers, the Rays are a direct division rival, and I could never support division rivals. Way too icky for my tastes.

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To your maps, you are completely correct. Tropicana Field has always been in a miserable spot when it comes to attracting the majority of the Tampa Bay area population. In addition, St. Petersburg has always been more of a snowbird city than Tampa is; the snowbirds bringing their allegiances with them, more often than not. I've never exactly thought Tampa was this wonderful sports city, but even if it were just as simple as dropping Tropicana Field someplace in Tampa, I'd wager there would be a nice rise in attendance from that alone, because Tampa is where more Rays fans are located.

Tropicana Field is an awful baseball stadium and the Rays ownership group's renovations, as noble as they are, are nothing more than lipstick-on-pig improvements. But the biggest problem for the Rays has ALWAYS been where the stadium is, not the quality of the stadium. I don't really see how this could be argued.

Hard to believe it's been nearly ten years since all of that happened.

Yeah. It's a pretty obvious fake.

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I really wish I had seen this before it got buried by a hundred posts or so. I was wondering how exactly you guys were watching this. I don't think NHL Network would've aired something like this.

Sooooo when's the next lockout?

Eight years. Because it.

It's happening for sure. It's only been 6 months and already Mike Smith (MIKE SMITH!?!?) got a 6 year, 34 million dollar deal from the league owned team that doesn't have any money.

It's gonna get even worse in two days when free agency opens. This is just year 1 too. Imagine what salaries will look like in 7 years.

Just because you repeated his name in ALL CAPS with the double "!?" punctuation pattern to follow, you know, I still don't really feel the Mike Smith vibe in that post.

If each of you were more interested in your personal local governmental authority and in Robert's Rules, as opposed to the issues of the elected officials of Glendale, North America would be a slightly better place.

This just sounds like Jim Rome undressing an emailer after the usual "make the world a better place" spiel.

You are not an original Tampa kid like I am, the CIT (Community Investment Tax) has hurt Hillsborough County more than it helped.

And your handle seems to imply to me that you live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area now. Certainly doesn't seem to be Tampa anymore.

You at least knew how and when to get the hell out. I'm still trying to figure that whole operation out.

If each of you were more interested in your personal local governmental authority and in Robert's Rules, as opposed to the issues of the elected officials of Glendale, North America would be a slightly better place.

This just sounds like Jim Rome undressing an emailer after the usual "make the world a better place" spiel.

I remember the good admiral mocking Sharks (whateverthehell) guy Brodie Brazil. Add this to his ledger:

brodiebrazilCSN

Can't imagine the fate of your team being determined by a city council vote. Good news: the #coyotes are staying in AZ by a 4-3 count.

Sharks and 'Yotes are still in the same division, right? Enjoy going to the desert and getting owned by Mike Smith three-six times a season again.

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In five the years the NHL will have (idiotically) expanded to Seattle and Quebec City, leaving the Coyotes no place to go when this whole thing (inevitably) caves in on itself. Well done Commissioner, well done.

Is Kansas City still wanting a team?

Not really. They seem kinda content with the Sprint Center being a general events facility. Besides, between the KC Scouts and assorted exhibitions, hockey interest just doesn't seem to be all that much in Kansas City. I'd sooner guess a team found its way to Houston, but I'm not going to place favourable odds on that either.

Heehee.

Hope this whole thing finds its way to the Youtubes in due time. I don't think much of St. Petersburg or the whole Tampa Bay area from a political perspective, but the loonies here sound like geniuses compared to Glendale.

These Glendale people seem to be former residents in the Confederate states who somehow escaped its stranglehold.

As someone who can't watch and has a very ty computer ATM, I have to say this thread has been a thrilling source of entertainment at this late hour.

It sounds like Glendale is doing the same usual act that has spawned these threads in the first place. I guess that shouldn't be too shocking.

The NFL strictly bans any and all other ownership groups from having a Packers-style setup. There's a reason there's only one.

Isn't this the case across North America entirely? I thought I remember hearing or reading one time that the Packers arrangement is a byproduct of their time period, that they are grandfathered to their arrangement, and that no team can either come into a league like that OR switch to that style from being a privately owned entity.

They realize McCarthy is a huge Blue Jacket voice on a kinda/sorta not-too-big/not-too-small sports logos forum?

Basically, an organized and pre-conceived way of doing what the NBA did with the Hornets out of necessity? Is that the gist of what you're saying there?

Would be a bit interesting to see Seattle try to get a team the same way they had their NBA team ripped out from under them.

bah, nevermind.

Misinterpreted the comment.

Yeah, that's one of the biggest reasons I quickly went to those videos. Back when Primetime was Primetime and Boomer wasn't such a tired cliche, it was fun listening to him go back and forth like that between games.

This is probably referenced in some comments on the video page, but imagine if Red Zone Channel were around back then for something like that? Scott Hanson would be tired before the second slate of games even started.

I vaguely recall there being a mix of graphics used as late as 2006, which was the last season that ESPN, in addition to their Sunday, Monday, and Wednesday games also had a mid-week day game (usually Wednesday) and a Thursday night game as well.

I mean, I can't recall a ton of specifics, but I definitely remember a game in June 2006 between the Braves and Yankees that seemed to use the newer graphics when showing player stats, for instance, but used the '99-'03 graphics at the beginning/end of each half-inning with the R/H/E lines. This usually seemed to get used for those Wednesday and Thursday games.

Well, then, I guess that one episode of Frasier that had the Crane's all scared off by a coyote wasn't all that far off the mark then.

Oh wow, that bottom-left graphic is from Week 1 in 1999. I think that was the only home game the Redskins lost that season, and the only road game the Cowboys won that season (remarkably, still reaching the playoffs at an 8-8 record).

The Seahawks/Jets graphics are from Week 17 in 1999, as well as the Week 16 Falcons/Cardinals one. I don't remember that Cowboys/Eagles one, but the convenient BottomLine makes it obvious of 1999, because of the Indians and Red Sox ALDS series that year.

Damn, now I just need to find my 1999 NFL Almanac. In the meantime:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnqNstepGTw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBJI5pKtMrk

G-d do I miss the old days of NFL Prime Time.

Late edit - forgot to mention this was Derrick Thomas's final game. RIP