thespleenenator

OU: We will stay in the Big XII if presidents/chancellors agree to fire Dan Beebe (and LHN undergoes changes).

Dammit, please stay Beebe. Please stay!

I look for Colorado to block or vote against any Pac-12 expansion involving Texas and/or Oklahoma. They didn't want to be part of a conference that had divisions along east and west.

Colorado doesn't care. Besides, they're the newest member. They carry no clout whatsoever.

They also suck. I'm still not sure why the PAC even wanted them. Where else are they going to go, a non-AQ conference?

Because 1, they have a great fanbase. 2. they expand the PAC-12 map. 3. They are a great university (if not a bit of a party school). 4. They've been historically great at football, and I don't think they'll be down forever. They've been trying to get Colorado into the conference for a long time.

Look like the Texas move to PAC-12 is going to happen.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6992952/regents-oklahoma-sooners-texas-longhorns-ok-presidents-act-pac-12

Also, lol at Baylor.

Evidence of the contrary?

Have you completely ignored all of my posts?

This isn't the first time you've done that. But I'm still laughing at you bringing up Marcus Jordan, Perry would sh1t all over him, and anyone else at UCF

As a whole university, or however else you want to look at it, Baylor>UCF

Evidence?

Spleen why do you always start arguements, then when you're proved wrong you say "I was talking about ____"

Umm, because I was talking about as a whole?

I will admit, I did not know that they had a good recruiting class, but may I point out, good recruiting does not always equal wins.

Like I said before, the fact that they are a small, private, religious school is going to factor into which conference they go into.

UCF and USF aren't going to get taken by an AQ conference.

USF's already in an AQ conference... for now, anyway.

I was talking about in the future, because the Big East collapse is going to cost them their place at the table. They may end up in the Big 12-Big East mash up, but I don't think that will be AQ.

If Mizzou, Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, Baylor, Cincinnati, Louisville and TCU along with USF are in it, then it probably will be. But I'm not so sure a few of those key schools won't be picked up by another conference.

There is no way in hell Baylor is going to be in an AQ conference after the Big XII collapses.

If they stay with the 4 other Big XII schools, along with the 4 Big East schools, then yeah. If Mizzou goes somewhere, as does Louisviile from the Big East, then no.

I think MIzzou goes to the Big Ten and Louisville goes to the SEC. Even so, Baylor brings nothing to the table. For one, they are a small, private school in the middle of Texas. Two, they have very little to bring forward in terms of sports. And three, they are a religious university, which makes them poison to the B1G and Pac-12/16. That means only the SEC and ACC would accept them, which, at this point, if laughable. That, and their fanbase absolutely sucks.

Yeah they don't bring much. But they do have better basketball and football programs than UCF.

Actually, no they don't.

UCF

Since 2005: 8-5, 4-8, 10-4, 4-8, 8-5, 11-3

Baylor

Since 2005: 5-6, 4-8, 3-9, 4-8, 4-8, 7-6

UCF

Since 2005: 14-15, 22-9, 16-15, 17-14, 15-17, 21-12

Baylor

Since 2005: 4-13, 15-16, 21-11, 24-15, 28-8, 18-13,

I will admit, Baylor had a period between 2007-2009 where they were pretty successful. But for the most part, they've been pretty pathetic. UCF also has Marcus Jordan, and is trending upward, and has a nice new arena. Bottom line, Baylor is trending even at best, and UCF is rising rapidly.

Baylor has one of the top recruiting classes and are probably a preseason top 10 pick.

I'm talking about overall as a university.

UCF and USF aren't going to get taken by an AQ conference.

USF's already in an AQ conference... for now, anyway.

I was talking about in the future, because the Big East collapse is going to cost them their place at the table. They may end up in the Big 12-Big East mash up, but I don't think that will be AQ.

If Mizzou, Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, Baylor, Cincinnati, Louisville and TCU along with USF are in it, then it probably will be. But I'm not so sure a few of those key schools won't be picked up by another conference.

There is no way in hell Baylor is going to be in an AQ conference after the Big XII collapses.

If they stay with the 4 other Big XII schools, along with the 4 Big East schools, then yeah. If Mizzou goes somewhere, as does Louisviile from the Big East, then no.

I think MIzzou goes to the Big Ten and Louisville goes to the SEC. Even so, Baylor brings nothing to the table. For one, they are a small, private school in the middle of Texas. Two, they have very little to bring forward in terms of sports. And three, they are a religious university, which makes them poison to the B1G and Pac-12/16. That means only the SEC and ACC would accept them, which, at this point, if laughable. That, and their fanbase absolutely sucks.

Yeah they don't bring much. But they do have better basketball and football programs than UCF.

Actually, no they don't.

UCF

Since 2005: 8-5, 4-8, 10-4, 4-8, 8-5, 11-3

Baylor

Since 2005: 5-6, 4-8, 3-9, 4-8, 4-8, 7-6

UCF

Since 2005: 14-15, 22-9, 16-15, 17-14, 15-17, 21-12

Baylor

Since 2005: 4-13, 15-16, 21-11, 24-15, 28-8, 18-13,

I will admit, Baylor had a period between 2007-2009 where they were pretty successful. But for the most part, they've been pretty pathetic. UCF also has Marcus Jordan, and is trending upward, and has a nice new arena. Bottom line, Baylor is trending even at best, and UCF is rising rapidly.

UCF and USF aren't going to get taken by an AQ conference.

USF's already in an AQ conference... for now, anyway.

I was talking about in the future, because the Big East collapse is going to cost them their place at the table. They may end up in the Big 12-Big East mash up, but I don't think that will be AQ.

If Mizzou, Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, Baylor, Cincinnati, Louisville and TCU along with USF are in it, then it probably will be. But I'm not so sure a few of those key schools won't be picked up by another conference.

There is no way in hell Baylor is going to be in an AQ conference after the Big XII collapses.

If they stay with the 4 other Big XII schools, along with the 4 Big East schools, then yeah. If Mizzou goes somewhere, as does Louisviile from the Big East, then no.

I think MIzzou goes to the Big Ten and Louisville goes to the SEC. Even so, Baylor brings nothing to the table. For one, they are a small, private school in the middle of Texas. Two, they have very little to bring forward in terms of sports. And three, they are a religious university, which makes them poison to the B1G and Pac-12/16. That means only the SEC and ACC would accept them, which, at this point, if laughable. That, and their fanbase absolutely sucks.

UCF and USF aren't going to get taken by an AQ conference.

USF's already in an AQ conference... for now, anyway.

I was talking about in the future, because the Big East collapse is going to cost them their place at the table. They may end up in the Big 12-Big East mash up, but I don't think that will be AQ.

If Mizzou, Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, Baylor, Cincinnati, Louisville and TCU along with USF are in it, then it probably will be. But I'm not so sure a few of those key schools won't be picked up by another conference.

There is no way in hell Baylor is going to be in an AQ conference after the Big XII collapses.

#4 up and coming schools

That is a very important ranking. This university is growing very fast. I'm not trying to argue that they are the best candidate, but they are a viable player in this.

For those of you saying that UCF doesn't have the acdemics:

In 2011, UCF was rated 33rd among the "Best Values in Public Colleges" in the United States by Kiplinger,[86] and as one of the "50 Best Value Public Universities" by USA Today and The Princeton Review.[87] In its 2012 edition of Best Colleges, U.S. News & World Report ranks UCF 97th among public universities and 177th overall on the list of Tier I National Universities,[88][89] in addition to being the fourth-best "Up-and-Coming" national university.[7] UCF is also ranked as a "Best Southeastern College" by The Princeton Review.[90]

Taken from the wikipedia page. And unlike many wikipedia pages, this page actually cited their sources.

I'm gonna leave that one alone. Your source of information speaks volumes.

just read this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Central_Florida#Academics

I'm giving you evidence that UCF is a viable candidate for the ACC. You haven't given me any counter evidence.

I can't post links from my iPhone, but as long as you continue to site Wikipedia, I don't really need to. UCF is NOT a player. None of the power conferences care what they're doing. Deal with it.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/ucf-3954

Now you need to.

For those of you saying that UCF doesn't have the acdemics:

In 2011, UCF was rated 33rd among the "Best Values in Public Colleges" in the United States by Kiplinger,[86] and as one of the "50 Best Value Public Universities" by USA Today and The Princeton Review.[87] In its 2012 edition of Best Colleges, U.S. News & World Report ranks UCF 97th among public universities and 177th overall on the list of Tier I National Universities,[88][89] in addition to being the fourth-best "Up-and-Coming" national university.[7] UCF is also ranked as a "Best Southeastern College" by The Princeton Review.[90]

Taken from the wikipedia page. And unlike many wikipedia pages, this page actually cited their sources.

I'm gonna leave that one alone. Your source of information speaks volumes.

just read this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Central_Florida#Academics

I'm giving you evidence that UCF is a viable candidate for the ACC. You haven't given me any counter evidence.

For those of you saying that UCF doesn't have the acdemics:

In 2011, UCF was rated 33rd among the "Best Values in Public Colleges" in the United States by Kiplinger,[86] and as one of the "50 Best Value Public Universities" by USA Today and The Princeton Review.[87] In its 2012 edition of Best Colleges, U.S. News & World Report ranks UCF 97th among public universities and 177th overall on the list of Tier I National Universities,[88][89] in addition to being the fourth-best "Up-and-Coming" national university.[7] UCF is also ranked as a "Best Southeastern College" by The Princeton Review.[90]

Taken from the wikipedia page. And unlike many wikipedia pages, this page actually cited their sources.

Well, I guess at the very least you haven't brought up FIU yet...

He was saying UCF wasn't a player, and I proved him otherwise.

They also don't have the Big East connections to the current, future and possible ACC members. They may end up having to take them as a package deal with UConn. UCF is simply not a player. They're a last resort when your other last resorts, like South Florida, don't pan out.

Which is what I'm saying would happen. I think you're heavily underestimating just how huge and powerful UCF is. If they want to, they could become a player.

An you have no idea just how laughable that is. And I was saying schools like USF aren't even players so UCF is far down on the list.

O rly?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/college/knights/os-ucf-fiu-sidebar-0918-20110917,0,2585716.story

They also don't have the Big East connections to the current, future and possible ACC members. They may end up having to take them as a package deal with UConn. UCF is simply not a player. They're a last resort when your other last resorts, like South Florida, don't pan out.

Which is what I'm saying would happen. I think you're heavily underestimating just how huge and powerful UCF is. If they want to, they could become a player.

I still say they go after Missouri, WVU, and Virginia Tech.

My reasoning for Virginia Tech is now with the additions to the ACC, basketball wise, V-Tech loses a lot in the conference. Atleast if they join the SEC, the competition isn't as tough.

The ACC buyout price prevents them from leaving. It's going to be UConn and UCF going to the ACC. UConn goes for obvious reasons. UCF goes because I think the SEC wakes up, and adds WVU, A&M, Louisville, and USF. They'll try to go after USF, but when the SEC offers, the jump. So they turn to the next best option. UCF is the largest university in Florida, and very rich. If they do join, they'll probably expand their stadium to around 60,000 (which I believe is already planned). If they join the ACC, they're competitive enough in the major sports to make the jump.

There has been no talk of UCF to the ACC. Rutgers may end up being the 16th. No one is leaving the ACC. The price is too high. UWV, Mizzou and Louisville are the top possibilities for the SEC. If they go 16, could be all 3. If Notre Dame does indeed go to the Big Ten, then they need to find a 14th or more. Then Mizzou really becomes a hot commodity for both conferences. And with the Big East basically dismantling, TCU could come back into play as well.

There was no previous talk of Pittsburg and Syracuse to the ACC either. Nobody wants Rutgers. They bring nothing to the table but mediocre football and women's basketball. I think they join either the B1G because the B1G becomes desperate after they realize all the teams they wanted are gone, or they go to some other conference made up of all of the other BCS teams that were left behind. I think MIzzou goes to the B1G. It makes more geographical sense, and I'm not sure they want to compete in the SEC.

UCF is the same as Rutgers, mediocre in both and not nearly the academic level. Their best bet at improvement woul be a stripped down Big East. And as the fact that you didn't hear about Pitt or 'Cuse, UCF is not big time playmakers like them. No one cares about what UCF might do or cares if they plan to do anything.

Except UCF is better at both sports than Rutgers, they are located in metropolitan Orlando, and they are the biggest university in Florida, with over 56,000 students. They're also stinking rich. They would compete in the ACC much better than Rutgers could.

I still say they go after Missouri, WVU, and Virginia Tech.

My reasoning for Virginia Tech is now with the additions to the ACC, basketball wise, V-Tech loses a lot in the conference. Atleast if they join the SEC, the competition isn't as tough.

The ACC buyout price prevents them from leaving. It's going to be UConn and UCF going to the ACC. UConn goes for obvious reasons. UCF goes because I think the SEC wakes up, and adds WVU, A&M, Louisville, and USF. They'll try to go after USF, but when the SEC offers, the jump. So they turn to the next best option. UCF is the largest university in Florida, and very rich. If they do join, they'll probably expand their stadium to around 60,000 (which I believe is already planned). If they join the ACC, they're competitive enough in the major sports to make the jump.

There has been no talk of UCF to the ACC. Rutgers may end up being the 16th. No one is leaving the ACC. The price is too high. UWV, Mizzou and Louisville are the top possibilities for the SEC. If they go 16, could be all 3. If Notre Dame does indeed go to the Big Ten, then they need to find a 14th or more. Then Mizzou really becomes a hot commodity for both conferences. And with the Big East basically dismantling, TCU could come back into play as well.

There was no previous talk of Pittsburg and Syracuse to the ACC either. Nobody wants Rutgers. They bring nothing to the table but mediocre football and women's basketball. I think they join either the B1G because the B1G becomes desperate after they realize all the teams they wanted are gone, or they go to some other conference made up of all of the other BCS teams that were left behind. I think MIzzou goes to the B1G. It makes more geographical sense, and I'm not sure they want to compete in the SEC.

Encase people are wondering

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/47484/report-pac-16-with-texas-is-close

And Oakland, honestly, that was very uncalled for. I apologize for likening you to KevinW. , but you didn't need to do that.

I still say they go after Missouri, WVU, and Virginia Tech.

My reasoning for Virginia Tech is now with the additions to the ACC, basketball wise, V-Tech loses a lot in the conference. Atleast if they join the SEC, the competition isn't as tough.

The ACC buyout price prevents them from leaving. It's going to be UConn and UCF going to the ACC. UConn goes for obvious reasons. UCF goes because I think the SEC wakes up, and adds WVU, A&M, Louisville, and USF. They'll try to go after USF, but when the SEC offers, the jump. So they turn to the next best option. UCF is the largest university in Florida, and very rich. If they do join, they'll probably expand their stadium to around 60,000 (which I believe is already planned). If they join the ACC, they're competitive enough in the major sports to make the jump.

Now the SEC has to get off their rearends and start adding teams.

They have to add at least one more in to go along with aTm. They could just decide to go 16, too.

They have to act fast though. If they don't start going after teams now, UCF might be the only option left (which, as for non AQ teams, is actually probably the best option).

Yeah sorry rams. I regretted that the second i posted it.

Anyway, apparently, UT, TT, OU, Ok St to the Pac-12 is a done deal (again). Oregon vs Texas in Autzen? Yes please.

nvm, let's not start his again.

Pitt has been "showing itself" to the other conferences, trying to get out of the BEast for a while. Strangely enough, their chancellor is head of the Big East Committee. The irony is kind of laughable.

That's actually what the article talks about. He was preaching conference unity for the last few weeks and telling the other Big East teams they had to stick together, and well, now look what happens.

We've been talking for the last few weeks how the Big XII was on the verge of destruction and in the matter of two days, I think we've seen the fatal shot to the Big East in football. The conference is now down to 6 teams and unless they raid one of the mid-majors or take the scraps of the Big XII, I think it's likely by the end of next week, two BCS conferences will cease to exist.

FYP

I'm including TCU.

Not for long.