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3 hours ago, WestCoastBias said:

... but I would of given it to Penix.

"would have", not "would of"...

13 hours ago, the admiral said:

Neat pictures, and nice job pouncing on merch from before they even nailed down the color scheme.

Thanks. Just a little nostalgia that I  thought some of the board who are logo/uni geeks like me might appreciate.

13 hours ago, the admiral said:

I was thinking the other day and was going to ask you: how would you feel about a Pelicans Mardi Gras alt that used K&B Purple?

It might be tricky. 

Mardi Gras purple, green and gold is pretty standard (see OG New Orleans Jazz unis for reference).  "K&B Purple" leans more to the red side of purple, nearly bordering on magenta:

I think it would be a neat idea if it was presented as a nostalgia thing with all three colors as a Mardi Gras "Ain't Dere No More" special uni-- something like K&B purple and Dixie Beer green/gold:

Went to last night's Pelicans game with my elder daughter:

During the game, she and I were reminiscing about when we first got the then-Hornets franchise in 2002 when she was just a five year old.   We talked about how one of the first items of New Orleans Hornets merchandise that were available to the public were these nylon rain resistant warm-up sets for little kids, so of course I got them for her and her sister.  She was able to find two photos, younger daughter wearing them in both, elder daughter in one:

Very early merch, these came out before the unis were even released, but they did have the new slightly changed "New Orleans Hornets" (w/ Hugo dribbling a basketball) logo embroidered on the upper left chest.  The outfits had none of the  gold/yellow that was added to the logo and color scheme upon the move to New Orleans,  just the teal and purple (and white).  The back stripe had "HORNETS" in a relief cut-out (base teal in the purple stripe)...  not sure why these were out before anything else, but they were-- probably the outfits themselves were in a warehouse somewhere and it was as simple as adding the small embroidered patch on the front as a final item. 
 

I can't get over the 2nd photo, which was taken outside in the front yard--those little holly bushes behind them are now about 8-9 feet tall; I have to put Christmas lights in them this weekend...

31 minutes ago, Cujo said:

XFL will retain 4 teams:

- Arlington Renegades

- DC Defenders

- San Antonio Brahmas

- St Louis Battlehawks

 

USFL will retain 4 teams:

- Birmingham Stallions

- Houston Gamblers

- Memphis Showboats

- Michigan Panthers

 

8-team league merges with another 8-team league only to remain at 8 teams.

 

So, this is a map of their markets:

Kinda Texas-heavy (three out of the eight teams, nearly half). And NO west coast presence at all.  4 NFL markets, 4 non-NFL markets.  Interesting... 

Colleges:

Mississippi Valley State Delta Devils:

Minot State Beavers:

Washington University (St. Louis)

(though they rarely wear much green  anymore)

Radford Highlanders used to be navy, red and forest green, but they apparently dropped the forest green for gray.

On 11/12/2023 at 10:42 AM, the admiral said:

Oh god this is too many words about the prospect of a Major League Baseball team going to a loose constellation of McMansion tracts called "Pine Needle Carriage Estates"

Can't put all the proper emoji responses in,  so I'll just write it out:

Though I disagree with Admiral on a lot of things and take umbrage at quite few (Hey, I represent that statement!),  I still can laugh at his biting satire even when it skewers me and mine. 

'the admiral'-- the H.L. Mencken of the Sports logo board. 

3 hours ago, Sodboy13 said:

Always a good sign when the announcement of the team botches the name of the home venue.

Worse than that, the name "Louisiana Voodoo" for a team in Lake Charles is bad.

VERY bad.

Worse than 'Baton Rouge Zydeco'  bad, but not quite 'Utah Jazz' bad.

Simply put, there is not, nor has there ever been, any "Voodoo" in Lake Charles.  In this state, that stuff is culturally relevant  strictly around New Orleans and the plantation culture up and down the Mississippi River.  Lake Charles  is roughly 3 hours from that area; it is closer in distance to Houston-- and even more similar to that city culturally.

Seriously, it would be like calling a team in Pittsburgh the Pennsylvania 76ers, or a team in  Philly the Pennsylvania Steelers. 

FAIL.

5 hours ago, PurpleRain said:

It's also stupid that they're not wearing them for their games around Halloween because they haven't even officially announced them yet.

I think the intention is less Halloween, more voodoo / spooky / scary.   New Orleans is one of the spookiest/haunted  places  in the country.  I mean, the O.G. Haunted Mansion in DisneyLAND is a New Orleans thing.   Throw in all of Anne Rice's work with vampires and witches and such, and ghosts and zombies, and you'll see why the Haunted History tours in the city are such a big deal.

I personally like playing up THAT aspect of my town, something a little different than music,  food, Mardi Gras and booze. 

Which is why I always thought New Orleans Spirits would be a great name for a team here-- not just for the spooky aspect, but in a double reference to 'spirits' as booze.  

1 hour ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

 

Sorry, a language comment.

 

It's"shoo-in", an expression that comes from horse racing.

 

OK, carry on.

32 minutes ago, VancouverFan69 said:

 

 

As a Vancouver WHITECAPS supporter, I am so bored to death of MLS's lethargic globalist branding. North America has multiple major sports leagues. It feels like MLS wants to cater to international Football supporters and to hell with North American Soccer supporters. 

 

North American Soccer was so much fun when the NASL was in its heyday...Vancouver Whitecaps, Seattle Sounders, Portland Timbers, NY Cosmos, LA Aztecs, Toronto Blizzard, Minnesota Kicks, Tampa Bay Rowdies, Edmonton Drillers, Montreal Manic, Fort Lauderdale Strikers, Chicago Sting, etc, etc.

Agree wholeheartedly-- from the full front jersey ads, to the totally repetitive use of FC, SC, UNITED, not to mention rip offs like Real Salt Lake  and Inter Miami, it's like they are going Eurosnob overboard. 

The best names and identities in MLS are the  four west coast franchises based upon NASL teams.

And to think their NWSL counterparts have this absolute BEAUT:

Just now, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

 

Yes, indeed. The names New York Sentinaels and California Redwoods in particular are good ones.  The latter employs the practice of using for a team an existing name of something else, such as was done with the names Baltimore Orioles, Texas Rangers, Chicago Fire, Colorado Rockies, and Florida Panthers. 

...and New Jersey Devils,  Buffalo Bills,  New Orleans Jazz,  St. Louis Blues, Philadelphia Soul...

On 10/16/2023 at 6:42 AM, DCarp1231 said:

Does this count?

 

nash61, as the OP in the first post to lead off this thread, started it as the following:
 

"What are some rare matchups that only existed briefly (one or two seasons) before one of the teams moved/renamed?

Examples are Brooklyn Nets vs. New Orleans Hornets, Charlotte Bobcats vs. New Orleans Pelicans (If it happens)

Minnesota North Stars (moved 1993) vs. San Jose Sharks (expansion 1991)"

Which is what I wish it could have remained. 

Yet by the end of the first page, people started talking less about names/locations like the San Diego Clippers vs. New Orleans Jazz, and more about the uniform-centric things such as the ugly two tone blue, red and nickel Bills vs. the old gold-era Rams.   As this thread started well before Color Rush, city themes and earned NBA jerseys, and  mix and match baseball outfits,  which has given rise to almost innumerable uniform combinations and match-ups, it has delved into a never-ending esoteric exercise in "did this team wear this helmet/jersey/pants/socks combo vs. that team wearing this helmet/jersey/ pants/socks combo"

Old man rant over.  Carry on.

1 hour ago, SFGiants58 said:

Rangers-Phillies would be fun, unless you are Gabe Kapler.

I swear, when I first read your post I thought you were talking about this guy: 

 

HALLOWEEN TIME BONUS! He once had a Halloween costume done of him in the 1970s for "Welcome Back, Kotter"

My college-age daughter had a good one the other day: San Diego Tsunami (FC, SC, AC, whatever Europhilic way they want to go).

Complement to the San Diego Waves NWSL team.  Nice alliteration. 

(full disclosure: that was the last playground team she and her cousin and friends played for ( and I coached) before moving up to high school soccer-- they got to pick the name and the colors-- neon yellow, aqua and black)

4 hours ago, gosioux76 said:

 It was pretty clear: play entirely in hubs in year one, then add more cities in year two, and continue to extend yourself gradually. 

Minor correction  that serves your point; they played in ONE hub (Birmingham) in year one, and expanded into 4 hubs in year two.

On 9/27/2023 at 1:40 PM, TBGKon said:

Clemson may have found a way out, which means FSU may not be far behind.

 

 

Me to Marc Ryan:

48 minutes ago, Cruhawk7975 said:

But it looks like the city plans on converting it to a football/soccer/rugby configuration by 2025 that based on the renderings, looks like it would be the perfect sized venue for a UXFL team: 

 Thanks for the share, but one point-- it's not "the city", it's Jefferson Parish ( county equivalent) in the suburbs outside of New Orleans, in conjunction with the State of Louisiana.   City of New Orleans government is too incompetent to do anything. 

19 minutes ago, McCall said:

I think Yulman should be the goal. If they get it, continue to play there successfully and, when Shrine is completed, decide it fits their attendance figures better, THEN move. Basically like in St. Louis. The original intention was for them to play at The Dome until the soccer stadium (now known as CITYPark) was completed. Then move there like some of the other teams were playing in soccer-specific stadiums since it fit their average attendance projections better. But the actual numbers greatly outperformed expectations to the point where it clearly made more sense to stay at The Dome.

That would work well, and if Yulman is put out to be a temporary XUSFL measure, it might placate the adjacent rich NIMBYs. 

Oh, and for those who may not want to take the time to click on Cruhawk's links, here are the renderings of the converted Shrine on Airline/Zephyr field:

Note that in some of these renderings SOCCER field markings and nets are shown.  This could also wind up being the home of the new USL team that  the area is scheduled to get in the coming years.   As I described in this post,  it is  IMHO a much better location than an "in-town" location. 

2 hours ago, McCall said:

Towards the end of this article https://usflnewsroom.com/news/details-emerging-regarding-a-potential-usfl-xfl-merger/: 

 

Additionally, reports have surfaced that FOX/USFL were in close talks to a couple of facilities in the New Orleans area (i.e. The Shrine, Tulane). Where those conversations currently sit amongst the merger discussions is unknown.

Yulman would be fine, if Tulane will have them and the rich next door NIMBYs on Audubon Place aren't able to stop it. Though I don't think it's in writing, one of the deals was that Yulman wouldn't be used too much, but already it has been hosting high school games including state championship games.

The Shrine on Airline ( Zephyr Field) is another story.  Holds 10,000 for baseball,  and has a not-good set-up for  football (and rugby). It HAS held quite a few high school football games, and there are preliminary plans being floated by Jefferson Parish to convert  it to a more rectangular seating set-up for football, rugby, and soccer.

On 9/12/2023 at 11:56 PM, dont care said:

K those are examples of where it has worked, yet failed to provide evidence of how it will work on Temple’s or Pitts campuses

In response:

GDAWG's original question was, "With South Florida leaving Raymond James Stadium for an on-campus stadium, this leads to an interesting question: should college football teams who currently occupy NFL stadiums get their own stadium on campus?  

I entered the conversation after BBTV pointed out that Temple TRIED to get an on-campus stadium (even including a rendering), which was not shot down  by lack of sites on-campus or how it would PHYSICALLY work, but was shot down by NIMBY neighbors around the campus.   A cursory Google search shows MULTIPLE plans for how a stadium could be sited and WAS planned on-campus at Temple, including not just BBTV's rendering example, but the following:

Again, it was doable on their site, but was shot down by others outside of Temple's campus. 

I also came in after Sykotyk explained that Pittsburgh had a conscious decision the other way, to REMOVE their on-campus stadium in favor of a new arena and move in to an NFL stadium.  That's a different situation.

My point is that it is MUCH better for a college team to play on, or at least NEAR their campus in their own stadium for the reasons I listed, certainly opposed to an NFL stadium.   And as we have been seeing in the last twenty years, that has been the trend:

Tulane- Superdome to  Yulman
Minnesota - Metrodome to Huntington Bank Stadium

Houston - Astrodome to TDECU Stadium
SMU - Cotton Bowl and Texas Stadium to  Gerald J. Ford Stadium

UCF - moving from Raymond James to their own stadium
 

And, down in Miami, you have wealthy U alumnus John Ruiz working to get a new Hurricane football stadium in Tropical Park:

It's not exactly on campus; it's three miles away, as opposed to the 20ish miles away it is to Hard Rock Stadium (or the six miles it was to the old Orange Bowl).   And similar to  the situation in Temple, there is a lot of citizen/public opposition.  I think that if that doesn't pan out, there could be enough room to tightly fit one on-campus at UM ( if the administration was behind it), in one of these two areas outlined in yellow:

Then there is still one of the worst off-campus situations in college football: UCLA playing at the Rose Bowl  -- 30 miles away from the campus. 

Way back in the day,  UCLA used to share the LA Memorial Coliseum with the USC Trojans (whose campus is essentially next door to that stadium) AND the Los Angles Rams.  That was still 15 miles away from the campus.

Back in the early 1960s, an on-campus facility was discussed, but faced significant political opposition, including from the governor at the time, Edmund "Pat" Brown .   A 44,000 seat stadium on-campus appeared in the 1963 Long Range Plan, at the site where track and field Drake Stadium eventually was built.  However, that proposal was blocked by influential area residents, as well as other politicians.  NIMBYs, yet again. 

23 hours ago, dont care said:

Where on campus do you want these stadiums to be built? Also with areas to tailgate since seemingly that’s so important to you. 

Every campus is, of course, different and would have to deal with it in different ways.   In some places  the land is there, either as open space/fields or parking, in other more tight urban settings other buildings may have to be demolished.   

Despite the way we tend to think of them as timeless and unchanging ivy-covered edifices, college campuses are certainly NOT static places; things change over time-- and not just with athletic facilities. 

The two Florida examples discussed earlier are post-WWII campuses built on (what was) the outskirts of town, essentially suburban and auto-oriented in their layout and style, with plenty of room to re-purpose and/or expand, as was the case with UCF:

And as will be the case with USF:

In other more older, urban, or built-up areas, you may be able to find parking lots or other such un- or underdeveloped areas on the perimeter of the campus site, as was the case in Minnesota:

And then you've got some real tight squeezes in totally built-up urban areas, which require demolition/relocation of some facilities or buildings, as well as modern stadium design with multiple levels as opposed to the old fashioned one-level "bowl".   A great example of how this worked is Yulman Stadium at Tulane:

In regards to where you can tailgate, you can look at any of these aerial photos (just as you can look at most college campuses) and find areas with interior parking with grassy quads, often covered or lined with trees.  Since the VERY first game at Yulman in 2014, those have become tailgate areas for Tulane fans, who previously couldn't tailgate in the downtown Superdome parking GARAGE. 

Since moving into their own on-campus stadium, UCF has also started a decent tradition of on-campus tailgating:

On 9/9/2023 at 4:43 PM, GDAWG said:

With South Florida leaving Raymond James Stadium for an on campus stadium, this leads to an interesting question: should college football teams who currently occupy NFL stadiums get their own stadium on campus?  You have the Miami Hurricanes playing at Hard Rock Stadium, where the Dolphins call home, Temple at the Linc and Pitt at Acrisure.  

On 9/9/2023 at 4:47 PM, BBTV said:

 

You say "should they get" as if someone's just going to give it to them if they want it.

Temple tried and the neighborhood shot it down.  

They should try to get their own stadium.  It's a shame what happened with Temple.  But thankfully, despite the efforts of the rich bluebloods surrounding Tulane, they were able to build on-campus Yulman and it has been a tremendous success.  Those days of the Green Wave playing 3 miles away downtown in the Superdome were (much like when the Golden Gophers played in the Metrodome, or the Houston Cougars played in the Astrodome, or when the SMU Mustangs played in Texas Stadium, or when UCF played  in the Citrus Bowl)... not good. 

It is such a  better experience  to be ON campus, for ease of access for students as well as for tailgating opportunities (college tailgating, on campus and under trees in greenspace, is SO much better than pro football parking lot tailgating):

This:

vs. this:

On 8/22/2023 at 8:03 PM, infrared41 said:

It didn't hurt that every other movie in the 80s and early 90s was set in Chicago and the Cubs were in all of them. 

On 8/22/2023 at 6:30 PM, pmoehrin said:

Before Reinsdorf took over the team, there wasn't much of a difference in terms of popularity between the Cubs and White Sox. The dynamic of the Cubs being the clear-cut #1 team in Chicago and the White Sox being the #2 doesn't start until the late 90s.

It may be my age, but I disagree with pmoehrin's thesis, at least in terms of  NATIONAL popularity, which ties in to infrared's point. It happened nationwide much earlier than that, I'd say in the  early/mid 80s.

The main issue was the explosion of cable TV in the late 70s and early 1980s, and WGN (and Cubs games) being on cable nationwide. Cubs fandom  then popped up nationwide,  such as a group in New Orleans who hung out and caught WGN Cubs games at the Milan Lounge uptown, and even including casual fans like my teenage kid sister,  who didn't even know that Chicago had another baseball team (and certainly couldn't have named them) but as a Madonna-era fashion thing bought a Cubs jersey not only based on watching WGN and Harry Caray singing "Take me Out to the Ballgame", but also because she saw Richard Pryor wearing one in "Brewster's Millions" in 1985:

After 2 weeks, looks like the Baton Rouge Zydeco have already dropped the bridge from their logo due to local/potential fan complaints.

Original:

New:

https://www.wafb.com/2023/07/31/br-zydeco-release-new-logo-keeping-merchandise-manufacturing-local/

The name and logo of Baton Rouge's new hockey team was released yesterday. And  both are terrible: 

First, the name. Baton Rouge has NOTHING to do with zydeco music; that's really from Cajun country to the west and southwest (Lafayette, New Iberia, Opelousas, Houma, Thibodeaux, etc.)

Second, the logo.   Horrendous.  I get the "red stick"/Baton Rouge connection; there's a fleur-de-lis thrown in just to be lazy since this is Louisiana,  but good night, that Bridge? (the I-10 bridge across the Mississippi River?).  HORRIBLY rendered and drawn.   And why is there NOTHING at all in this logo relating to Zydeco music? A music note or two, an accordion or a chank-a-chank, something.   Shoot, a hockey player playing an accordion would be much better. 

Compare to their previous team, the Baton Rouge Kingfish:

Team name was great, with a double meaning (actual kingfish AND nickname of famous Governor Huey P. Long). Had the  "red stick" (Baton Rouge) hockey stick.   And just a whiff of the bridge and the downtown skyline, including the iconic state capital building.