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In a word...NO. While Boise State competes in the Pac-12 for wrestling, Stanford, Cal and USC do not want to be officially grouped with Boise State in terms of academics as they only offer terminal degrees (PhD) in less than five areas. Boise also has a AD budget of around $31M, which is still $20M lower than the average for a Pac-12 school and $8M short of the lowest school, Washington State.

Those schools are way too small and have way too little fan support to be in a BCS conference. From what I've heard, they're looking at BYU. Thought BYU was happy going indy? From what I've been hearing they're considering a few MWC teams like San Diego State. BYU is happy being an independent for many reasons: 1-They have a contract with ESPN plus they have their own distribution nationally via BYUtv, which is available on 600 cable franchises and DirecTV plus their games will stream live online. 2- All BYU has to do to become BCS eligible is get nine wins and be ranked 14th or better in the final BCS poll. As for SDSU, that is a program which does not have any money.

Those schools are way too small and have way too little fan support to be in a BCS conference. Both of the schools you bolded have larger enrollment than Wake Forest and Vanderbilt. One could say the same about Baylor. How did they get into the Big XII and not Houston or Rice (SMU I could understand)? Baylor's football program was the laughing stock of the Big XII up until a couple of years ago, and they weren't exactly setting the world on fire in (men's) basketball either. Use your Google machine to look at your history. Baylor got invited to the Big XII for a couple of reasons. One was the Texas state government, specifically then Lt. Gov. Bob Bullock, Gov. Ann Richards, and State Senate Finance Chair David Silbey all had ties to Baylor.. Secondly, at the time of the start of the conference, TCU, SMU and Houston were recently off probation, Baylor was not had no recent record of probation.

That's why I said the Texas legislature, not the Big XII. There's difference between the league's wish-list and who is actually going to get into the league. TX Legislature is not going to be there issue; the Missouri Chancellor is the chair of the committee is Brady Deaton

Tulsa has another problems in the general demographics of the state and where they fit in as the #3 school. Oklahoma only has 3.7M residents and just 1.2M households. How many more viewers is Big XII conference going to add with Tulsa? OU's state and local (third tier) media rights are worth $7.5M, for 10th in the nation. Advertisers alreach Oklahomans through the Sooners first, then OKState.

1. It is a Cowboys market first, with the the Rangers/Mavs/high school football neck and neck for second before the Big XII gets a thought. Schools like Denton Ryan, Southlake Carrol, Euless Trinity, and the Plano Schools easily draw as well as both SMU and TCU. Even with their success of late TCU does not sell many games out and the student body gets in free. There are so many Biog XII alumni in the Metroplex, that while SMU could get sellouts, TV wise, adding them does not equate to much. 2. Ford Stadium can be expanded to 45K by filling in the horsehoe (seen here), but adding a second deck would be hard to do on the Airline Rd side. Mockingbird is a major Dallas thoroughfare, so anything there will be hard to do too. Then there is the $$$ issue. While they could get money for football sooner than for much anything else athletically, they are still looking to raise another $20M for Moody Colisuem upgrades and that gym has been subpar for well over a decade.

As of when NYT's Pete Thamel filed his report yesterday, early talks between members did not mention Texas schools. Reportedly, the early list is: 1- Notre Dame (like everybody else) 2- Arkansas (stealing them back from the SEC) 3- BYU 4- Pitt

They just want Dan Beebe to know that they are interested and that last time they were not as ready to lobby for status as Baylor was. Since the conference is headquartered in nearby Irving, SMU could have just sent either a Cookie Bouquet or an Ediable Arrangement to the offices and another one to C-USA (1.5 miles away) saying, "No Hard Feelings, but they are prettier". Just one trip for the delivery driver. I'm sorry, but SMU is #4 at best when it comes to schools I could see joining the Big XII. (Houston, UTEP, and Tulsa would be more appealing) Really? I don't care what they really do, but, Houston could be more viable because they have a larger student body and the Big XII market may have part of Houston. However, what of UTEP and Tulsa makes you think they are better than SMU. The state of Oklahoma only has 3.7 million people (1.5M households) and they are split between OU and OK State with Tulsa as the leftover. Tulsa is a private school with an even lesser base than SMU.

They just want Dan Beebe to know that they are interested and that last time they were not as ready to lobby for status as Baylor was. Since the conference is headquartered in nearby Irving, SMU could have just sent either a Cookie Bouquet or an Ediable Arrangement to the offices and another one to C-USA (1.5 miles away) saying, "No Hard Feelings, but they are prettier". Just one trip for the delivery driver.

will be and current are not the same Nebraska had a surplus and could afford not to accept this year's Big XII football money since their share in the B1G may be greater than their existing. Same with Utah, leaving the MWC won't cost them as much as they will make immediately; Colorado is another story in that their exit fee of about $7M came as the department is not doing as well as Nebraska as the current Pac-10 contract now has to be split 12 ways. The new Pac-12 TV money and cable contract does not start until next year, so seeing cable revenue may be up to 18 months out (minus the start up costs which the Pac-12 incurs since they own it 100%). This season the Pac-12 will average just $5M/school, but they divided this contract on the number of TV appearances a team makes in a season.

Here is something else which does not make immediate sense for aTm. 1- aTm was not worried about Longhorn Network, but more worried that the UIL, who oversees Texas public school high school sports, is under the University of Texas System 2-In the last four years, the Aggie athletic department has run had to borrow money from the TAMU system. If they leave the Big XII, they would have to pay a similar "leaving fee" that Nebraska/Colorado did. $9 million. Nebraska had a $7M surplus upon reaching their agreement. Last month, in interviewing the aTm AD, the SportsBizMiss forgot to mention the line of credit which they have to pay off or the fee they would have to pay when leaving.

CBS also has two primetime games per year. Logic says that they may add a couple more primetime games. ESPN does own the broadcasts of all SEC home football games. They can spread these out ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN-U, the SEC Network (which gets placed on a local affiliate), and ABC Saturdayhttp://boards.sportslogos.net/index.php?app=forums&module=post&section=post&do=reply_post&f=8&t=70838&qpid=1614638 nights...and spread these out over various starting times from noon-9pm ET. They also have access to putting games on Thursday night, the Sunday and Monday of Labor Day weekend, and the Thursday and Friday of Thanksgiving weekend. There's no shortage of time slots, that's for sure. The CBS 3:30 slot is the NCAA equivalent to the NBC's Sunday Night Football in terms of national importance. Adding aTM, and other schools will not add to those schools getting that slot, especially if they are mediocre. Since the SEC has won the last five BCS titles, that game is THE Saturday game to watch. When I hear this... http://www.videosurf.com/video/cbs-college-football-theme-music-30549351?vlt=ffext&vlt_position=inline I am more in that out for the first quarter even though I graduated from two Big Ten schools and now live in the Pacific time zone. That is the slot which everybody wants to have. The Raycom/Creative Sports/SECNetwork syndicated slot is to ESPN as the noon Big East slot they syndicate.

That makes perfect sense except that Texas will go independent. If that happens, Notre Dame is staying. That means that the B1G would have to go for a non BCS school (Navy perhaps?). The absolute best option for the Pac-16 would be AIr Force. It would give them a national following, along with a very athletically competitive school. Child, please!

Hold on player! From the story:

The Big East is using Tagliabue to lobby to all media partners that they have the most major media markets and thus should garner maximum $$$. I don't get and will never get the "Clemson love/value". They have a small enrollment (15,000 students) and thus a low alumni base, they are two hours from Atlanta (a presence they already have), and their only title was in 1982 and they have not been to a BCS bowl game while Wake Forest has.

At SEC Media Days, Slive did say, "I can get to 16 (teams) in 15 minutes." Here is also an issue, only four teams can play in that prime CBS 3:30 slot and secondary ESPN/ESPN2 Saturday night slot. How many times a year will aTm, Clemson or any new team will actually play in those two slots?

Texas A&M is getting sick of "By God Texas". They see Texas getting a larger share of the Big XII pie, as well as having the Longhorn Network (buoyed by ESPN), and they want to emerge from the large shadow that Texas casts over them, and now it's hitting the boiling point. Besides...it's not like Texas A&M was winning that many conference/national championships while they were members of the Big XII, anyway. It can't be any worse for them in the SEC. Aggie has buyers remorse from the deal they reached last year to remain in the Big XII. They, Texas and OU are set to still have a larger share of the revenues than the other seven schools. They are scheduled to get $20M+ while the others will get $14-17M. Each was allowed to start a network then and now Texas actually did.

Just got that text on my phone and was gonna jump on here and post it, looks like the first bomb is about to be dropped... One cannot confirm a rumor and news when only one of the four schools has a meeting scheduled this weekend. Clemson in the SEC? They have milked their title longer than any school ever and still has disappointing seasons. Get ready for more of the same.

Spleen, you were the one to proclaim that hoops income was as legit to a AD budget compared to a football income via the conference.

Yes, Kansas basketball makes money. Basketball and football are the two revenue sports of college athletics, but as we saw from last year, football is king. Football is driving all the decisions of conference expansion. When the Pac10 was trying to add 6 Big 12 teams last year, they went for Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Colorado. The only discussed variation was Butler instead of Colorado. If basketball was a factor, Kansas would have factored in or some other big conference would have at least been waiting to swoop them up. Instead, Kansas was faced with the sad truth that, basketball and all, conference realignment was about to leave them in the dust with the other 5 unwanted members of the Big 12. Football and the money it makes drove every decision and discussion for realignment last year. I seriously doubt that has changed. Wait... what? Butler? I'm pretty sure they're aren't going to leave the Pioneer league any time soon. Butler is in the Horizon League first, then please wait until later with a better formed realignment position. football money is what builds athletic departments is what makes for non-DVR tv for most ratings.

You honestly don't think Kansas Basketball makes money? Kansas is the Texas of Basketball, maybe Kentucky is a close second. Little boy, basketball income does not matter, look at Louisville in relation to basketball income.

Iowas State and K-State are a bit iffy I'll given you that, but Mizzou and Kansas? Who wouldn't want those schools. In terms of football, yes, you're correct. But Kansas plays basketball too. They also have great track. Also, Iowa State is, along with Oklahoma State, are the top wrestling programs in the nation. Son, football runs television revenues and both schools may have given us recent success, but they are far from powerhouse teams. Glen Mason left for Minnesota after a bout of success then Mangino was fired so where is KU at now? Mizzou may not be able to sustain their good recruiting classes from both the STL and KC sides of the state since history illustrates that they do not. Plus, Norm Stewart was a very good hoops coach, but when did they ever get to the Final Four? They never did.

Oh boy... Looks like the Big 12 is going to be dead in the water now. Who would of thought that Texas A&M would be the one that gives it the potential death knell? Big 12 is not dead unless the Oklahoma schools bolt (they are likely a package deal where if they leave they have to leave together). The Big 12 can probably still exist as the Texas, Oklahoma + 8 other conference. Mainly because the 8 others don't have anywhere to go and deal with Texas having the power. So if A&M leaves they'll operate at 9 or call up Houston fill a spot and be a doormat for Texas. Naw the uncertainty surrounding the potential of more departures is gonna be too great. Most of the schools are probably going to start to reach out to the other major conferences for membership so that they can find some security and not be left on the backburner with nowhere to go but the MWC. They may be able to survive with the remaining schools, but I don't think any of them are gonna want to wait around and try and find out. That is why I said unless the Oklahoma schools leave qualifier. May not make a difference. Who knows. Conference is back on shaky ground again. Seriously. When your beleaguered Conference responds to its latest defection with "It's ok, we're grabbing that jumped up community college, Houston." You have to be looking for your own exit strategy. Exactly, the Big XII would be better to go after BYU and let them keep their TV deal than go after Houston, a school which they already have covered with alumni and active viewers.

You might want to try your math again when you add up the three scores, but at least you finally see what the data shows. And where are you getting UNR is one of the fastest growing universities? Enrollment hasn't really spiked up since 2007. UNR's 4-year graduation rate is 15%. It's 6-year rate is 48%. Less than half the undergraduates finish school in six years. It's tough to grow when people are leaving. I meant physically growing. Apparently, according people in the area, there are cranes running every day, and they're apparently going to renovate their stadium. Look, I'm probably the biggest Nevada Wolfpack supporter on this board, went to the university (Didn't graduate form there due to many reasons, class offerings was one though), and live about 50 miles from Reno, but the idea that UNR could be accepted into the Pac 12/4/6 is really crazy. Sure, the city is growing, but that's mainly due to lower real estate prices than just across the boarder in California and the fact that work is insanely hard to find in this part of the state. Nevada's economy for the most part depends on two things, the fortunes of their meal ticket to the west, and gambling. California is in debt up to their eyeballs right now, and Nevada is paying because of it. EVERYTHING in the state is underfunded, including the school systems. Nevada has by far one of the worst educational systems in the entire country in terms of funding. Both UNR and UNLV have had major financial cutbacks in the past few years that have all but crippled their educational offerings. And when it comes to gambling, just look at the city of Vegas. You'd be hard pressed to find any other area of the country that was hit worse by the poor economy than Vegas. It's gotten so bad in Vegas that people are leaving at a faster rate than coming into town now. I for one would be giddy as a schoolgirl to see the Wolfpack find a way to join the PAC #, but there is simply no way that either of the Nevada Universities have the resources to do so any time soon. Well, not going to argue with a native. Who's the next best bet then, Air Force? They have a big national following and great academics, but would a service academy join a BCS if given the chance? Just stop, please. Before you give us another hot sports opinion, have data. One place where you can easily look at is the Office of Postsecondary Education of the U.S. Department of Education's data on athletic department budgets. There you can follow their directions and try to look at school athletic budgets and see how they compare to major programs.

Oh boy... Looks like the Big 12 is going to be dead in the water now. Who would of thought that Texas A&M would be the one that gives it the potential death knell? Big 12 is not dead unless the Oklahoma schools bolt (they are likely a package deal where if they leave they have to leave together). The Big 12 can probably still exist as the Texas, Oklahoma + 8 other conference. Mainly because the 8 others don't have anywhere to go and deal with Texas having the power. So if A&M leaves they'll operate at 9 or call up Houston fill a spot and be a doormat for Texas. Naw the uncertainty surrounding the potential of more departures is gonna be too great. Most of the schools are probably going to start to reach out to the other major conferences for membership so that they can find some security and not be left on the backburner with nowhere to go but the MWC. They may be able to survive with the remaining schools, but I don't think any of them are gonna want to wait around and try and find out. in terms of $$, there is not place which a school can try to join, if they are not wanted. The Big East is the best option for the flyover schools as the Big East looks towards media market size in terms of their importance to get more money than the ACC did. C-USA still has their own issues from their FOX/FX contract signed in January.