Ferdinand Cesarano

2 hours ago, BBTV said:

This was the annual Phillies alumni weekend, and they were honoring the 40th of the '83 World Series team, and the 30th of the 93 team.  Broadcaster and former pitcher Larry Andersen threw out the first pitch wearing a 83/93 Frankenjersey, as he is the only pitcher to have pitched for both of those teams:

I hope the White Sox do a similar thing for the 1983 and 1993 AL West championship teams. Then they can give a combined jersey to the only player to play for both of those teams, Carlton Fisk.  (Even though Fisk didn't make it to the end of the 1993 season.)

On 8/13/2023 at 11:52 AM, the admiral said:

Shopping for apartments is not an attempt to get something for nothing.

Betting is most certainly not an attempt to get something for nothing, as one must risk money in order to place a wager.

On 8/13/2023 at 11:52 AM, the admiral said:

Applying for jobs is not an addictive behavior.

Neither, in most cases, is betting. While some people definitely do elect to behave in a self-destructive manner with respect to gambling (people who, according to the prevailing orthodoxy, are said to have an addiction), the same is true with respect to, let's say, food.  Adults can for the most part be expected to handle these things responsibly, and the majority of them in fact do.

On 8/13/2023 at 11:52 AM, the admiral said:

And assessing one's options through a course of life decisions is not the same as putting money on the outcome of a TV show.

Sorry, but it is. When a person decides what school to go to, or whether to continue to go to school, or what job offer to accept (or makes any other decision in life), the question at hand is: which of the possible expenditures of time, energy, emotion, and money is most likely to lead to an outcome that is best for me?  No matter how you wish to dress this up, these are, fundamentally and in every meaningful respect, bets.

On 8/13/2023 at 11:52 AM, the admiral said:

sports betting has just brought a certain crassness to everything it touches.

I actually agree with this. I don't even like fantasy baseball. I can remember when fantasy baseball (Rotisserie leagues) began. Many of my friends participated in that, but I didn't, because I didn't  want my financial interests to clash with my rooting interests. Sports betting only amplifies this phenomenon, as people whose main interaction with sports is through betting don't care at all about the players or the teams, and have no rooting interests, in the sense that I understand. That approach holds no attraction for me.

Alas, that approach does hold a significant attraction for plenty of people. From the standpoint of justice, people being allowed to do the things that they enjoy is a value of the utmost importance; this is true even if those people's preferences do not align with mine. 

As a comparison, let's stipulate that current-day pop music is terrible. Despite this, the people who enjoy that crappy music  are entitled to listen to it. Imagine a rule mandating that the only popular music be the masterful rock and roll of the 1970s and the 1960s. Such a rule would create an environment that is very aesthetically pleasing for me; nevertheless, I cannot fail to acknowledge that this restriction would be a tremendous injustice.

The point is that having a free society sometimes requires accepting that you're in the minority on certain matters of culture, and that you're going to be surrounded by people whom you consider to be annoying idiots.

Alrighty, then; I guess I will have to be the one to push back against the dusty old puritanical notion that gambling is not "wholesome".

Taking up this argument feels strange, as I myself don't gamble. When it comes to sports, I prefer that my rooting interest be determined by personal factors that are emotional and/or ideological, rather than by the potential for direct economic gain or loss.  And I don't do any other kind of gambling, simply because I wouldn't enjoy it.

Nevertheless, as with other activities in which I do not participate on account of a lack of enjoyment or a lack of interest (such as, for example, opera, skydiving, and various substances and intimate acts), I very much want a society where all of those things are readily available to people who do enjoy them.

What's more, insurance is a form of gambling. Indeed, just about every choice that a person makes, ranging from the monumental (where to live, where to work, whom to date) to the mundane, constitutes a bet.

An honest observer must acknowledge that the act of betting — the act of choosing one course of action over others, based on a projection of likely outcomes and on a weighting of the desirability of those outcomes — is fundamental to the working of the human mind. In other words, it is entirely normal.

Please understand that I'm the absolute last person to defend capitalism or the thieving private sector. Still, given the indisputable evidence that a great many people like to gamble (and that this has been true for the entire history of civilisation), we should accept the presence of gambling as unobjectionable — and, yes, wholesome.

"Surely"? I've been to a Walmart three times, each time to buy a CD that was released exclusively through that store. So I have not heard of this brand.

The new font is striking. And if this soda comes only in cream flavour, then the removing of the red and the leaves is a good move. Those elements didn't go well with the colour of the can.

7 minutes ago, gosioux76 said:

I give them credit though for smartly digging into their past to find a way to do a unique and relevant Hispanic heritage jersey. Using that script and adapting it to Tigres is really clever, particularly for a team that's really only ever had the old English 'D' for most of their existence.

And they get further credit for implementing a slight change that results in a huge improvement, namely, the better form of the T.

The Yankees fired announcer Red Barber in 1966 for commenting on a late-season Yankee Stadium crowd that numbered in the hundreds. (But don't feel too bad. Barber, while a legendary talent, was an ornery coot, and one who gave Phil Rizzuto agita. The Scooter spoke ill of only two people in his life: Eddie Stanky and Red Barber. So it's all for the best, as Rizzuto was able to shine in the booth only after the removal of Barber.)

The Yankees fired announcer Red Barber in 1966 for commenting on a late-season Yankee Stadium crowd that numbered in the hundreds.

(But don't feel too bad. Barber, while a legendary talent, was an ornery coot, and one who gave Phil Rizzuto agita. The Scooter spoke ill of only two people in his life: Eddie Stanky and Red Barber. So it's all for the best, as Rizzuto was able to shine in the booth only after the removal of Barber.)

6 minutes ago, Sodboy13 said:

More than a week after the relaunch announcement, a person claiming to represent the Bakersfield AFL squad contacted the Mechanics Bank Arena. The individual identified himself as “Tim Robinson,” but left contact information that was not for anybody with that name. Defector dialed the phone number used to make the call to the Bakersfield arena, however, and asked for “Tim Robinson.” 

 

“Well, that’s me, but there is no ‘Tim Robinson,’” said the man who answered.

Tables!

So the Orlando Predators have already announced their departure from the NAL for this supposed AFL revival.  Are they now going to have to pull a George Costanza and go back to the NAL, pretending that nothing happened?

39 minutes ago, GloriaSmeltzer said:

In the 1980s, David Letterman wore various sports gear on Late Night for remote pieces, like Cardinals or Tigers caps, and a Houston Gamblers jersey once.

Even though he sported a USFL jersey, he still mocked the league. In 1983, he joked about being a long-time Panthers fan since he was "this high," even though he was 36 then. Now, some people say the same thing sincerely in their 50s.

He also did a funny set piece called "The USFL Hall of Fame." One gag featured only Herschel Walker and a checklist on trading cards. Another had a mis-numbered jersey with "5 backwards-3." It cracks me up!

What a remarkably perceptive and insightful comment.

Tell me, where do you get your ideas?

5 hours ago, dont care said:

It’s an arena league team

The AFL had always been referred to as "the Arena league".  But now there is another league separate from the AFL that is going by the name "the Arena League".

I'm no I.P. lawyer, but it seems to me that that new league is intentionally fostering — no pun intended on the name of AFL founder Jim Foster — confusion, and is trying to benefit from the AFL's name recognition (such as it is).

It doesn't bode well when there's a misspelling in the first announcement.

I don't see how this league expects to return when the names that are most closely associated with it (Arizona Rattlers, Iowa Barnstormers, Orlando Predators) are now playing in other leagues.

Unless the AFL intends to revive the Tampa Bay Storm, the Albany Firebirds, and the San Jose SaberCats, it cannot have name recognition of even a fraction of what it formerly had, or near what the other leagues currently have. We can be pretty sure that the latter two teams are not happening, as Albany until a few weeks ago had a team in the NAL (until that team was kicked out on account of Antonio Brown's knuckleheadedness), and San Jose currently has a team in the IFL (led by former SaberCat head coach Darren Arbet). I have heard nothing about plans regarding Tampa Bay.

10 hours ago, JerseyJimmy said:

 

genuine question, what is your problem? competitive eating in general is very silly, but it's not worth this kind of vitriol.

5 hours ago, heavybass said:

If you must know and I suspect it’s a bait question… you win something for so long then said competition becomes boring and predictable 

Maybe I'm taking the bait, but I'll say that, for me, the issue is not that one person dominates the event.

I experience a profound visceral disgust at the nature of what's going on there. Whether it were a competition or just an exhibition (in the words of Letterman: "Please, no wagering"), I would hate it just as much.

2 hours ago, Marcos Flamengo said:

Just imagining Roundball Rock returning to be heard around the world with NBC's NBA broadcasts

I hope they use the full version this time.

I definitely have thoughts, none of which I can share by means of language that is appropriate for this forum.

1 hour ago, Discrim said:

Occasionally, I see somebody wearing an Expos cap. 

In the coverage of the submersible that was built and operated by that "safety is a waste of time" fellow, there were clips of previous crews of the thing. And one of the people in those clips was wearing an Expos cap.

The league should say that its championship game will alternate annually between St. Louis and Washington. Those are the only places that can give it a big-time feel.

8 minutes ago, GDAWG said:

I don't mind the Stallions being back to back champions.  It shows stability for a spring league.  

Right.  I was rooting for New Orleans on account of Bethel-Thompson, whom I like because he's the oldest player in the league, and because he came from the CFL.  But McGough's performance was absolutely masterful.  Having enjoyed seeing the inspirational Luis Perez take over the Renegades and lead them to the XFL title, I have to acknowledge that McGough is operating on another level.  He's likely to be league MVP, and for him to lead his team to another championship would be totally fitting.

More generally, I agree with the idea that having a repeat champion would give the impression of stability for a new league.  Leagues typically shoot for a degree of parity, so as to keep up the interest of fans of as many teams as possible.  But what really does wonders for any league's identity is the emergence of an elite tier. So for that additional reason I hope that Birmingham beats Pittsburgh for the title.

Finally, given the rumours that Pittsburgh will undergo a name change, for that team to be champions would be awkward.  The act of "moving" the league champions would show the very opposite of stability for a new league.  So all the more rationale for hoping that the Stallions win.

22 minutes ago, TrueYankee26 said:

 

In the 1960 World Series, the Yankees outscored the Pirates 55-27, and lost the Series 4 games to 3.

Orlando Cepeda, Ray Sadecki, and Joe Torre completed a rare three-man circle of trades.

During the 1966 season, the Giants traded Cepeda to the Cardinals for Sadecki (a trade that was very unpopular with Giant fans). In the spring of 1969, the Cardinals sent Cepeda to the Braves in return for Torre. Finally, when the Cardinals traded Joe Torre to the Mets after the 1974 season, the player they got in return was Sadecki.

6 hours ago, RoughRiders99 said:

Or just have a pure 17-week round robin style schedule. Face every team in your conference once. No cross-conference games.

1 hour ago, McCall said:

Never gonna happen. Much of the current division alignment is based on rivalries. Even if you did away with actual divisions, the scheduling would have to remain as such. Rivalries like the Chiefs/Broncos/Raiders, Cowboys/Giants/Eagles/Commanders, etc., are to[o] ingrained in the fabric of the league. Playing each other only once wouldn't be enough.

That's true about the divisional rivalries.

So get rid of interconference games, and have a third game against each divisional rival!

That replaces three of the (I think) five interconference games that each team plays. The remaining two interconference games would be replaced by games against the teams that finished in the same standings position in two of the conference's other divisions. 

I know that the Super Bowl is already the most watched event in American sports. But what would make it even better would be if the teams that meet in the Super Bowl cannot have played each other during the season.

6 hours ago, Walk-Off said:

Fisher seems all too willing to become the next Walter O'Malley

No one should ever compare O'Malley to Fisher.

6 hours ago, Walk-Off said:

O'Malley's hunger for government aid, as far as I know, was confined to wanting a municipal government to condemn a large swath of land so that he could buy said land inexpensively and then build his own new home field for the Dodgers with only his own money. 

And that is why such a comparison is wrong.  O'Malley fully intended to build a ballpark at the current site of the Nets' arena.  But he ran into the immovable object of New York politics of the day, the unaccountable Robert Moses.  If Fisher had been behaving like O'Malley, the A's new Oakland ballpark would have been built already.

6 hours ago, Walk-Off said:

Walter O'Malley -- that is, someone who takes a Major League Baseball team away from a gritty, largely working-class, ethnically diverse, religiously diverse community full of people who have loved and cared for the team deeply for many decades,

This is pure fiction.  O'Malley did not leave Brooklyn of his own choosing. The only reason that Dodger Stadium is in Chavez Ravine rather than on Atlantic Avenue is the corruption in New York politics that allowed an unelected person to accumulate so much power.

Robert Moses is sometimes referred to as the New York City parks commissioner; but that doesn't come close to capturing his power, which exceeded that of mayors and governors, and spanned generations. Moses was so entrenched, with multiple overlapping posts within the City and State government, that he had already given O'Malley a firm "no" on the idea of accumulating the land for the footprint of a privately-built Downtown Brooklyn stadium before anyone else in the New York City government even knew what was going on.

By the time the actual elected government of New York City got wind of this fiasco, O'Malley had already built a relationship with a Los Angeles government that had embraced him and that was willing to provide him with everything that New York City (in the person of Moses) had refused to provide. All that New York City could offer at that point was a municipal stadium in Queens at the site where Shea Stadium was later built, an offer which is obviously inadequate.

The important point is that O'Malley didn't abandon Brooklyn; rather, he was kicked out of Brooklyn by Moses.

For the full story, read the excellent book The Dodgers Move West, by Neil Sullivan.

6 hours ago, NYCdog said:

Barbara Lee is simply using the A’s relocation to pander for votes for her senate run, Meanwhile Oakland Mayor Sheng Thao is out here cutting photops at the Reverse Boycott to show she cares when in reality she hasn’t don’t anything since she was elected. Atleast former mayor Libby Schaaf went to the negotiation table with the A’s. All Sheng did was claim she was “blindsided” by the Las Vegas move when the A’s have been in negotiations with Las Vegas for the last 2 years. Hello, they’ve been making routine site scouting trips out there! The sad part is judging by the replies on Twitter, there’s a lot of suckers buying into these politicians acts.

This take is so wrong it's almost comical.

The Oakland mayor was legitimately blindsided by the Las Vegas announcement in April because the negotiations on the Howard Terminal stadium were near completion.   By walking away from the negotiations after the A's pulled their double-crossing move, the mayor behaved shrewdly by not allowing the A's to use the nearly-done Howard Terminal plan as a pressuring device in their rushed presentations to the Nevada state legislature. 

Either way this works out, her move was the right one. If A's cannot fool enough of the Nevada legislators, then they have nowhere to go.  While the mayor has confirmed that she would take a call from Fisher or Kaval to resume the negotiations, it's hard to imagine their doing that in such a weakened posure. More likely, if the Nevada legislature does its job, then the sale that all of yesterday's reverse-boycotters are demanding would likely occur, and the negotiations would resume with the new ownership.  Indeed, the mayor has confirmed that a new ownership group could just step right in and bring the thing over the finish line.

But if the A's snow job prevails and the legislature agrees to flush money down the toilet in a state whose education system is rated near the very bottom in the country, then the Oakland mayor retains her dignity.  And Howard Terminal still gets improvments from federal money, even if there's no ballpark.

6 hours ago, NYCdog said:

Also, the SF Giants. Their territorial rights claim on San Jose is literally robbing sports fans throughout the entire Bay Area (Oakland included) from having a second baseball team in the region. That’s why we’re here today, with A’s moving to Vegas.  Otherwise the A’s would’ve been in SJ a decade ago.

Again, utterly wrong.

Even if you want to denounce the Giants for holding the territorial rights to San Jose (that the A's granted them), the A's moving to San Jose is not a good outcome for Oakland.  We should be glad that that never happened.  (If we care about history, which too many people on this board adamantly do not.)

An A's move from Oakland would leave me heartbroken.  The 1972 A's are instrumental in setting for all time my aesthetic standards, a fact to which my excellent mustache attests.  I can remember in 1978 when they were all but gone to Denver after Marvin Davis agreed to buy the team from Finley.  I was about to cry.  The only reason they didn't go is that they couldn't get out of the Collisseum lease.

Still, if that terrible scenario comes to pass this time, the Oakland government — under both the current mayor and the previous one — can hold their heads high with dignity and can be secure in the knowledge that they did the right thing throughout, first by leveraging the team's stadium demands into an agreement to also build affordable housing for city residents, and eventually by refusing to be a pawn in a huckster's dishonest game.

4 hours ago, RoughRiders99 said:

So I saw an article where the NFL was entertaining the possibility of having a 4-team division in Europe to help with the travel costs and all that. 

I don't think that a whole European division is necessary.

A single London team could stay at a U.S. base for the first eight or nine games of the season, and travel from there to road games. It would then go home to London for its home games.

Each of the London team's visiting opponents would play on Thursday on the week before going to London; then each of those teams would have a bye on the week after its London game. 

In order not to disadvantage any team that would have to play in London on week 18 right before the playoffs, the London team would have its bye week during that week. And it would play on Thursday on the week of its last game in the U.S. during the front part of the season, and on Monday for its first home game.

If the London team were to make the playoffs, then either it would have to travel to a U.S. city, or a U.S.-based team would have to travel to London, with no Thursdays, Mondays, or byes available. In that case, just suck it up.