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On 12/17/2022 at 9:50 AM, iamdaviinci said:

 

My stars..... 

On 12/15/2022 at 3:13 PM, coco1997 said:

Lately, I've become fascinated by the existence of MLB dugout and batting practice jackets that feature design elements found nowhere else in their respective team's identity. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to exist a book or website dedicated solely to cataloging dugout and/or BP jackets the way many are dedicated to uniforms.

 

A few examples of what I'm describing:

- The Giants' 1980 batting practice jackets featuring trolleys on the sleeves

- The White Sox wearing green dugout jackets in the 1930s despite having never worn green as a primary team color

- The "zig zag" design on the sleeves of the Pirates' 1979 dugout jackets. 

 

Can anyone think of any other examples like this?

As a Chicago resident who is more than likely moving near Sox Park (even CTA calls it that), I may have to get that green jacket.

Not to take away from your work, but Wild-Hawks would go over like a fart in church at Lambeau. Especially if they did Vikings-Bears cosplay.  There's no way an NHL game could happen in Green Bay without the Detroit Red Wings.

The basic rule of thumb with Wisconsin NHL fandom is "What border are you closest to?" So Western Wisconsin tends to go for the Wild. The I-94 corridor (Metro Milwaukee, on down through Kenosha) is Blackhawks country. Except for the smattering of Admirals loyalists who root for the Predators.

Green Bay/Northeast Wisconsin is full of transplants from Upper Michigan. So much so that Red Wings games were shown on Green Bay television back in the day. My grandparents lived just south of there when I was growing up and I got to see the Russian Five because of it.

In other words. Hawks-Wings at Lambeau probably would work. Wild-Wings probably would too. But Hawks-Wild definitely would not.

On 12/3/2022 at 12:34 PM, Bmac said:

In college football, are conference championship games:

 

good, because they require the best teams to prove they belong and really earn it? It does help narrow the pool a bit.

 

or

 

bad, because one extra game can ruin someone's season? Like, you can have have an undefeated regular season and be in line for a top 4 spot, but lose in the conference championship and drop a few spots. Whereas a one-loss team who didn't make the conference championship because of conference divisions isn't required to play that extra game, and can move into a top spot.

 

Right now, for example, USC is going to drop out of the top 4 and Ohio State, who isn't in the B1G championship game because of the divisional setup, will move up.

They're just a cash grab and trivialize all it has ever meant to have a good season.

I was never a huge college football fan. But I remember what a big deal it was in 1993 when the Badgers finally made it to the Rose Bowl. Now that there's a playoff, it should mean the same thing. But if an inferior team just happens to have your number during championship week, it undoes everything you've accomplished during the season. Not a fan.

4 hours ago, gosioux76 said:

I'm confused. I thought the Bucks' inclusion of blue had to do with some homage to the city's proximity to a large body of water, as ridiculous as that may be. 

The name Milwaukee came from an indigenous word meaning "gathering place by the waters" (sorry to disappoint you fellow Wayne's World fans), so it's not totally random.

But still. What does blue actually add to the Bucks palate? Green, cream, and gold work well together, and at least you can argue that black was part of their identity from the start. Blue just seems so tacked on, unnecessary, and only adds to the chaos of random colors they've used over the years.

2 hours ago, eastfirst107 said:

Like a lot of NBA arenas that lasted well into the 1990s, the Salt Palace was such a charmingly...modest-looking place.

 

I miss those old barns. Seeing the Irish Rainbows reminded me of the old MECCA. This one is from before the floor that would make it famous.

It's funny to me when people claim the Bucks have a fairweather fanbase because all they ever knew until recently was them playing in the Bradley Center. A horrible arena with no atmosphere. Nothing beat the atmosphere at the MECCA. It would get so loud the sound would bounce off the ceiling and make the walls vibrate. We really lost something when they moved to the Bradley Center. Granted it didn't help that the team absolutely stunk until we got Ray Allen. Then George Karl had him traded away for peanuts.

I'm glad we're starting to get the old atmosphere back now with the Forum. But nothing will ever beat the old MECCA to me.

23 hours ago, Wildcomet said:

Thanks, appreciate the compliments!

 

That's a fair point; I avoided that name in part because of the old Milwaukee Iron arena football team. I don't know the status of that trademark so I decided to just avoid it. 

I'm not a laywer. But I'm quite sure the AFL Milwaukee Iron abandoned the trademark when they bought the rights to the Milwaukee Mustangs. I'm also told that Seattle Sounders FC skirted trademark issues with the original Seattle Sounders by adding the FC.

17 hours ago, Digby said:

 

I think it would be less to appeal to Giannis and family, and more to appeal to his Greek fans. I've seen Giannis playing on the road team a couple times now, and each time it's felt like a Greek-American festival (again, for the road team!). No inside info here, but I can imagine they sell even more merch if it touches on Greece aesthetics too (and convenient the shade of blue they've been using sure looks awfully Greek).

I don't doubt that's what they're leaning into now. But again, they introduced blue when Giannis was still just a project. Not something they were banking the franchise on.

Still. Their regular look has a timeless quality to it, and now they won a championship with it. They should be milking that for all it's worth. The Bulls didn't dilute their brand when they had MJ and he was a global sensation. I'd think Greek people would be content to wear green & cream since those are the colors of the Greek Freak.

I know next to nothing about Oregon, but I love projects like this. Looking forward to seeing the rest of this league.

2 hours ago, eRay said:

I remember rumors around the time of the reveal of the Bucks' new branding that blue was really being added because of the Greek flag and they wanted to keep Giannis around. I still don't see them doing much to tie in blue with the Greek flag on merch or anything so maybe there was nothing to this.

I heard this as well. But I could never buy it. Yes, the Antetokumbros are from Greece, but ethnically they're Nigerian and act like it, and I never thought it's a coincidence that Giannis wears the same number as Hakeem the Dream. 

Besides, they chose to make blue a "team color" when Giannis was still a rookie who no one was sold on because Yi Jianlian happened just a few years before and turned out to be a bill of goods. I was relieved when the Bucks finally got rid of purple, and now that's starting to creep back in too. But I could even deal with that over blue, since Ray Allen was my idol.

Stop trying to make blue a thing!

How does this get botched so often? The Cleveland Guardians did it right... they found something uniquely Cleveland and were able to sell the new name on the basis of local pride that was more legit than the old name.

But in college especially, the trend seems to be to replace the old name with something so painfully generic that it defeats the purpose of getting rid of the old name, because the controversy remains.

With my first paycheck, I bought a Marquette Warriors basketball. They became the Golden Eagles a few months later. For as much as I think the "Warriors forever" crowd needs to get over it already, who the hell actually wants to take pride in being a Golden Eagle? Marquette's affiliated high school in Milwaukee is still the Hilltoppers, which was MU's original nickname. MU's old football team was the Golden Avalanche, which is incredibly unique and would take the piss out of any "MUH TRADITION" argument against getting rid of Warriors. But they decided Golden Eagles was the best option going forward?

That's how I feel about this. As much as I can understand the desire to get rid of the old name, they replaced it with something that basically amounts to "We're the Canadian schools that plays against the American schools.... go team!" Ugh...... 

On 11/22/2022 at 8:34 AM, fortunat1 said:

I fully agree that this jersey would benefit from being green (or white). The jersey color seems to serve no purpose other than to scratch the strange "blue for blue's sake" itch that the Bucks have. The Patchwork Mural in Bronzeville, which is the inspiration for the jersey, doesn't really feature that shade anyway, and has a baby blue background.

 

I don't think they need blue or black in their palette. Green and cream pair well and give them a distinct team identity in the NBA. Black is tolerable in limited usage for them, but blue doesn't have a place in their branding, even as an accent.

 

Even with the various changes in colors over the years, their original logo was green, gold, black, and white (cream). There was black Bucks merch long before NWA became a thing and convinced every team to wear black.

If they can't use cream anymore because it's too close to the color of the floor, then ditch blue for neon green. Either way I do not get this obsession with blue. Most NBA cities are on a big body of water. That doesn't make us unique. It makes me think our owners are just bitter that they don't own the Knicks. 

I keep saying.... Milwaukee Iron FC. No need to overthink it. I feel like that or MKE Iron FC or Milw Iron FC would fit better on your design.

I love the colors though and the overall concept. You've definitely got something here!

On 11/2/2022 at 3:17 PM, tBBP said:

 

Okay...Milwaukee might have something here.  And if the NBA in its current state actually cared half a modicum about preserving permanent primary identities, this right here would serve as a great basis for a new Irish rainbow-themed alternate (to pair with the uniforms with the antlers on the sides a la Florida State's basketball unis).

 

But alas, it is what it is, and that's just what it is...

This was my thought exactly. Why couldn't that have made them green? I may have actually liked them.

But no... they have to keep trying to make blue a thing. In fact, there's not a single dark Bucks uniform I've ever liked that wasn't green or black. Unless you count the MECCA unis, which as strange as they are, they pay tribute to something that was such an important facet of the Bucks identity and image once upon a time.

But having seen the current city edition in action now, I officially hate it. And did they have to wear it on the road against a team that normally wears blue and plays on a blue floor? It was so damn frustrating trying to follow the game.

If they want to keep the city edition around, do it within the confines of established team colors or don't do it at all.

On 10/4/2022 at 6:04 PM, Dilbert said:

Things havent been the same since they killed off Slice.

 

This was the direction to go in if they were gonna do any rebranding. Even the kids these days love 80s nostalgia.

That said, I already like the Starry branding better than anything they've ever trotted out for Sierra Mist.

On 10/4/2022 at 2:30 PM, coco1997 said:

 @NicDB, any suggestions for Milwaukee?

Considering the uniforms they wore until a couple years ago could literally be part of this series, I'd recommend something based on County Stadium, where there's so much more to work with. The (in)famous scoreboard, the chalet, Bernie's stein, the red infield fence, etc.

On 9/21/2022 at 1:57 PM, officeglenn said:

 

WIZ or we riot!

 

Think of sponsorship and promo potential: "Tonight the Wiz was brought to you by Budweiser. We encourage you to continue enjoying the Wiz after a cold, refreshing Budweiser!" 

Once you get over your idea of what the Brewers "should" look like (pretty damn close to what they do now), these are actually quite ingenious. They definitely fit in with a lot of the other late 90s rebrands (Anaheim and Tampa Bay come to mind). 

Plus, they look less like the Packers by limiting gold to an accent color.

Despite being a matchup between two teams with classic uniforms, Super Bowl XLV was proof that too much yellow is a thing.

On 8/16/2022 at 9:51 AM, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

 

In a world in which poker, darts, and video games get coverage as though they were sports, it's difficult to single out golf. 

 

So let's not single out golf!  The truth is that none of the aforementioned games are sports.

Those games didn't get sports coverage until cable TV was a thing and ESPN was reaching as far as barstool racing for content.  Major golf tournaments have always gotten network coverage as long as I've been alive. That's why it gets singled out.

How the hell is golf actually a spectator sport, anyway? Even with bowling and how I'd rather do it than watch it, I can understand why people would watch that. My idea of hell is where there's nothing to do but watch golf.

On 8/15/2022 at 7:05 PM, ManillaToad said:

 

The Guardians and the Elks both kept their same basic uniforms and even chose names vaguely connected to the ones they had to get rid of. Everyone moved on with their lives once the changes were made. Washington could have done the absolute bare minimum of swapping the logo and changing 4 letters in their old name and we would not be here 2 years later still discussing the controversy

Redtails was absolutely the direction to go it. Especially if they chose a military themed name anyway. Benajmin Davis Jr of the Tuskeegee Airmen was from DC. They could have kept the feathers since actual red tails are hawks. And suddenly the team's famous fight song rhymes. ("Hail to the Redtails.")

This was so easy for Dan Snyder not to :censored: up. But in true Snyder fashion......

20 hours ago, Burmy said:

Everyone loves March Madness...except for college football status-quo defenders, it seems.

I like March Madness... for basketball. Where there are a lot more teams and the difference in competition level between conferences isn't so dramatic.  But even then, I think their process is backwards. The regular season champions should play in the NCAA. The conference tournament champions should have to snag an At Large bid or play in the NIT.

But I feel championships should reward an entire season. Not just who got hot at the right time.

I can see expanding to a 5 team format and doing how the NFL used to do the playoffs when each conference had 3 division winners and two wild cards. 

But if you can't finish ranked in the Top 5, I'm not sure you deserve to play for a championship.

1 minute ago, WSU151 said:

 

SMU's D-Dallas logo is still just an alternate look, much like a DFW hat for the Rangers could be with City Connect or something. 

 

There's no rule in baseball that everything HAS to be about the city. We've seen it with Colorado, Florida, and Texas that non-city names work just fine. 

I never said there was a rule per se. Just that such things are more in line with baseball traditions... a sport that leans on tradition probably more than any other sport.

FWIW, I would prefer we had the California Angels back. It was just a serendipitous coincidence that the city had the same initial as the nickname.

21 hours ago, WSU151 said:

 

Baseball is usually city-centric, but this is like saying the Wisconsin Badgers should wear a M on their helmets because they’re only the University of Wisconsin-Madison and don’t represent the other colleges in the state. 

 

I don’t see a problem with the Texas Rangers wearing a T. 

College sports is a different aesthetic with different expectations.

Still, SMU introduced a D logo and Dallas jerseys which seem to have gone over well with their fanbase.