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I actually don't like the Little Rock logos as much as I like the El Paso logos. Pet Peeve of mine is italic text on a arc or arch...I've never seen it look good.

I thought the rendering on the Chihuahua head was amazing. I might be coming around on the name because they will most likely be called the Hua-Huas (Pronounced: Wa-Was) for short. That is a kinda awesome nickname for a minor league club.

Indy can't support 3 major league teams. They barely support 2 honestly. The Pacers had some attendence problems until the last couple years. Part of that has to do with bad management and some PR disasters, but more if it has to do with the fan base here. They love hoops, but they mainly love HS and College Hoops.

For baseball, the Indians generally draw well, really well this year with the cooler summer weather. I think they've sold out a number of games they normally don't this year. But most times they only sell out 2 dates a year: Opening Day and July 4th. I think the Pirates affiliation hurts a little because there are so few Pirate fans in the area. Mostly Reds, then Cubs/Cardinals tie for the rest, so you're dealing with a division rival's prospects. If it was a Reds, or even AL affiliate you might get more fans to come out. I know if they were a Cardinals affiliate or even played Memphis I'd go out more but its still fun for sure. Kinda a perfect situation, they are supported enough to survive but not so much that people are hungry for more. There has been talk of a minor league team in the North Burbs (Westfield) but it'd be independent or A ball and I doubt it would take much away from the Indians.

Also like I said before, there are so many fans of the Reds/Cardinals and Cubs, 3 very strong fanbases, that I can't see too many people "switching" even if it was an AL team.

For Indy, keep it two Major teams, and then "minor league" teams like Indians and Eleven. No need nor desire for a 3rd major team in this city. The only thing I think they could MAYBE support is a higher hockey team (currently we have a junior hockey team) but even that I don't think would do much better than the current team if it was a true pro hockey even at a minor league level. They are redoing the Pepsi Colusium at the Fairgrounds but the capacity will still be around 8k. Again might draw in some support for a bigger team but I doubt it.

Here you go....

That's nicer than most championship rings. Certainly better than the last two Packer rings.

The "reversed" sides are awesome. Surprised we haven't seen that before, or at lease I haven't...

I think I'd shoot my eye out if it became a diamond bigger than my original eye.

(That's what it looks like to me at least)

When you look at the map, it becomes kind of silly for Indiana and Michigan to be on Eastern Time in the first place (or Alabama and Middle Tennessee on Central).

Oh god I can't imagine the riots if you tried to change Indiana time again. People here still complain about changing to daylight savings time and even worse, are confused by it.

I understand arguing the merits if anyone should have it but how can you be confused about changing you clocks an hour...

I prefer eastern time but I like playing full rounds of golf after work and if we went to central, ill get like 13 in, tops... (Firstworldproblem)

Oh. Quebec or bust!

Notre Dame should just join the Catholic 7 and forget about the ACC. Football will always be independent.

I think ND waiting a year to join the ACC is a bad sign for the stability of the ACC.

ND has to wait or pay a penalty. Catholic 7/Big East is the only thing they can do.

If I'm not mistaken all conferences except the Pac-12, the SEC and the Big Ten have lost members. Could you ever see them losing a existing member in any of this mess? I could see Missouri as a big if, but I can't really imagine any others from the SEC or any in the Big Ten and Pac 12 doesn't really have anywhere else to go.

Thoughts?

You're telling me the Champion era replicas are the same quality as the current NBA replicas?

Labor costs haven't gone up? Minimum wage has gone up from 5.25 in 2001 to 7.25 today. And yes, replica jerseys were printed in the United States by Reebok (not sure about Nike) So assuming all labor makes minimum wage in the US, that alone has gone up.

You can defiantly argue that labor costs have not increased overseas and you may or may not be right, I don't know that for sure. But the costs have certainly gone up from the factory to the supplier.

What about all the other cost increases I listed out? Should companies eat those?

You think that where the NFL jersey's are made that there is a minimum wage? Not a chance.

Where the numbers were printed (Indianapolis Indiana) there is.

You're telling me the Champion era replicas are the same quality as the current NBA replicas?

Labor costs haven't gone up? Minimum wage has gone up from 5.25 in 2001 to 7.25 today. And yes, replica jerseys were printed in the United States by Reebok (not sure about Nike) So assuming all labor makes minimum wage in the US, that alone has gone up.

You can defiantly argue that labor costs have not increased overseas and you may or may not be right, I don't know that for sure. But the costs have certainly gone up from the factory to the supplier.

What about all the other cost increases I listed out? Should companies eat those?

So assuming $45 in 2001 (which seems a bit low), 11 years of inflation it's about $60 which isn't that far from the $74.99 they were before last year.

I think thats low cause Champion replica NBA jerseys were $40 in the early 90s cause I remember buying Shaq's rookie jersey for that in 1993.

What items outside of electronics are the same prive they wete 12 years ago? Things can't stay the same price forever, inflection alone drives the price up but so does gas prices which have doubled since 2001, the cost of materials (cotton, poly, etc) which has gone up astronomically in the last couple years, the cost of doing business with the NFL has gone up too. Should companies just eat those increases?

Yeah and replicas were around 45ish, right?

Yep.

What year was that?

Years of inflation. Textile prices have soared over the last 5 years. Oil/gas prices have gone through the roof which increases shipping.

You guys should understand all this.

I've bought all my music from iTunes or CDs.

"IRISH" font and the material of the letters is all kinds of wrong.

The annual football disappointments just pass the time until the lofty annual basketball expectations come crashing down.

If you are attacking ND you don't do it through Maryland. That's not going to ruin the ACC. It'd be FSU, Duke, or UNC.

Penn State and Nebraska made sense.

Maryland is a stretch but I can accept it.

Rutgers??? Nothing against Rutgers it just doesn't make sense in the B1G.

Doing the typical rookie mistake in Illustrator and not holding down Option while making one...

These make me cringe worse than comic sans or any overused font...

As for the IP Theft issue, I can pretty much guanatee that ZERO DESIGNERS are being affected by the sale of knock-off jerseys, as I'll bet every designers that's worked on ANY of the logo's used in any sports league today will have been PAID ALREADY. They'll have recieved a one off fee for the entire project and then signed ownership of the logo OVER TO THE TEAM OR LEAGUE. So yeah IP theft has still occured but it wont have hit the designer in the pocket as he/she doesn't receive a percentage of the profits generated from their work anyway.

Actually not true. If you work for a company that sells those jerseys and offers a bonus based on sales, then you are losing money based on someone buying a counterfeit instead of a legit jersey. Or a counterfeit instead of a t-shirt. Or supporting a bogus business and allowing it to exist.

Yeah nice Hypothetical, but that's not how the NFL works. The NFL owns the rights to ALL the logos and licences them to Nike for the uniforms. The logo's are designed either in house by designers on a fixed wage, or by an outside agency who are paid a one off fee.

Its not a hypothetical it happens at the manufactures. Designers work for the manufactures.

As for the IP Theft issue, I can pretty much guanatee that ZERO DESIGNERS are being affected by the sale of knock-off jerseys, as I'll bet every designers that's worked on ANY of the logo's used in any sports league today will have been PAID ALREADY. They'll have recieved a one off fee for the entire project and then signed ownership of the logo OVER TO THE TEAM OR LEAGUE. So yeah IP theft has still occured but it wont have hit the designer in the pocket as he/she doesn't receive a percentage of the profits generated from their work anyway.

Actually not true. If you work for a company that sells those jerseys and offers a bonus based on sales, then you are losing money based on someone buying a counterfeit instead of a legit jersey. Or a counterfeit instead of a t-shirt. Or supporting a bogus business and allowing it to exist.

Notre Dame is a great example how effed up collegiate football is. They have their own MAJOR television network and they seem to pick and choose who and where they play. I hope they suck for a decade and finally have to play by everyone else's rules. For years I had no opinion about ND (minus the ridiculous NBC deal,) yet now I find myself openly rooting against them.

While I was torn for many years, I clearly see the NFL as the better league now. There's a lot to be said for structure over style points, polls and Lee Corso.

Still love the Longhorns, but I care about the Cowboys a lot more.

To be fair, they "pick and choose' a pretty legit schedule most years. USC, Michigan, Michigan State, BYU, Stanford, and Oklahoma aren't terrible. Its not like they play only low to mid-level teams or anything.

Its not a typical SEC schedule (nothing is) but those teams always play the Savannah State's of the world 3 times. Notre Dame doesn't do that outside of the Navy Game, and even that I doubt you'd see LSU schedule them as a non-conference game too often.

And a fantastic article about knockoffs by Jeff at LeafsHQ

http://leafshq.com/2012/06/29/your-fake-jersey-is-awful/

The part where he talks about the horrors of Chinese sweatshops is a good point. Seeing that most Chinese factories would, by North American standards at least, be considered sweatshops, I trust that Jeff at LeafsHQ has thrown out his phone and anything he has that was acquired at a mall or big-box store seeing that those things were most likely made in a Chinese sweatshop too.

Seriously, anyone who thinks that licensed sports merchandise is made by happy unionized Chinese employees working 37.5 hour weeks with regular coffee breaks is downright deluded.

If you're that concerned about sweatshops, there is an awful lot of stuff you'll have to give up besides counterfeit jerseys...

But the difference is "real" jerseys are produced in factories that have regulations and most of the companies make sure that its a "working wage" in that country. They have that countries regulations that they work with as well as their own internal ones which in some cases are stronger than individual country regulations.

The counterfeit jerseys on the other hand don't pay attention to intellectual property laws or other laws so why would they pay a working wage. Frequently they are operations for organized crime for both profit and laundring. I"m not saying all of them but many of them are.

You see the difference right? Its not that "real" jerseys are produced under the same regulations as the US, nothing is produced that way and thats why we don't have manufacturing in this country anymore. But its the fact that at least "real" jerseys obey the laws of the land that they are produced in while the counterfeits don't even do that.

With te amount of money glendale has paid, plus the amount they are going to pay, they must be pretty close to being able to buy the team themselves...

How does that differ from Nike's offshore factories or 90% of the Chinese crap we buy from local srores every day?

I am asking if anyone ever ordered a custom from this source, not to start a morals debate.

Its way different. Nike has labor standards. 90% of the chinese crap has some labor standards. China itself has labor laws. If you are making lawful product then those laws will need to be followed.

You've got to understand that even if its made in china for less money than we provide in the states, or harsher working conditions, it's still legal. This stuff is illegal. If they produce illegal counterfits why would they even begin to have any kind of fair labor practices?

Sorry again, folks. WhatTheFont is absolutely useless!

Any clue as to what font this wordmark uses?

I don't know what the font is but whatthefont is far from useless. I get perfect results about 90% of the time...

Everytime I see someone in a fake, I think "douchbag.". It's like buying CZ for your girlfriend and trekking everyone it's real. it's leasing a car you can't afford. It's buying reverything on credit.

I was at a beer tasting yesterday and saw a large number of hockey jerseys. About 3/4 of them were fake.

FYP

Ok maybe those things aren't universally douchey.

Lots of people lease because they like getting a brand new car every two to three years, buying everything on credit (unless they can afford to do so) is not the best idea ever. However, at least they are legal activities.

Also, leasing and buying on credit does not jack up (and keep up) the prices of the legit items for the people that choose to make their purchases the legal way.

If Congress were to do its job:

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to

Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and discoveries

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We may see a greater crack down on these activities. (and yes, the Federal govt. has shut many of these sites down, but they just keep popping back up)

I was talking about the douchey nature of these activities, not the illegal nature.