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    The Big Ol' Counterfeit Jersey Thread

    in Sports Logo General Discussion

    Posted

    I had a long thoughtful reply, but it got deleted.

    This will have to do.

    We're trained to associate more materials and sewn together = quality.

    We're also trained never to spend $80 on a T-shirt (which is what a replica is).

    Most casual fans don't know the difference and assume Sewn on = quality.

    Let them find out otherwise. i could give a :censored:, and applaud their intellectual property theft if it means driving the prices down one day and reversing the trend that inflation means we can sell what we want at whatever price we want.

    I wish a company would sue to fight that jerseys are a monopoly. Then the prices would drop, like the early 90's.

    Oh yes...what a great time for jerseys:

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    Everyone forgets how crappy those were and they still cost $40 bucks. Just with inflation that'd be $60 bucks today.

    I know everyone likes to knock Nike, Reebok and Adidas but the quality of replicas has dramatically improved since the 90's. (Below is replica's only)

    Baseball: Back then they were screened on jerseys, sometimes on cotton. Today they are sewn on polyester which is more like the authentics. I believe replica's used to be like $50 and today they are $80, right in line with inflation and add a few bucks for better quality.

    Basketball: At least the magic ones have stripes now. Champion replica's resembled today's JC Penny level jerseys (which are a notch below the replica) which retail for...$45 bucks! Screw You adidas! :rolleyes:

    Hockey: These have decreased in quality I will not argue. I will argue that the fabric and construction is about the same or better.

    Football: Better fits for someone wearing them out, better quality material, closer authentic fonts in most cases (not all...see Bears replica vs. onfield)

    I know everyone thinks the prices have jumped astronomically but when you look at the prices vs. inflation they haven't gone up all that much and the quality has improved a ton.

    I was specifically mentioning Authentic jerseys, but even my Childhood Marino, Young and Sanders have all stood the test of time.

    The Big Ol' Counterfeit Jersey Thread

    in Sports Logo General Discussion

    Posted

    I had a long thoughtful reply, but it got deleted.

    This will have to do.

    We're trained to associate more materials and sewn together = quality.

    We're also trained never to spend $80 on a T-shirt (which is what a replica is).

    Most casual fans don't know the difference and assume Sewn on = quality.

    Let them find out otherwise. i could give a :censored:, and applaud their intellectual property theft if it means driving the prices down one day and reversing the trend that inflation means we can sell what we want at whatever price we want.

    I wish a company would sue to fight that jerseys are a monopoly. Then the prices would drop, like the early 90's.

    The Big Ol' Counterfeit Jersey Thread

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    Posted

    Greed my friends, greed. And as long as they want to get greedy, I support Jimbo and my cousin Vinny saving their money as long as they don't cost us fellow Americans Jobs.

    So doing something illegal is ok as long as it isn't an American that gets screwed?

    When these unlicensed products are illegally bought and sold the NHL, NFL, MLB, NBA ect are all losing on revenue. I'm guessing an American or two gets screwed in that process.

    Not just bought and sold, they are printed here too. Every single NFL replica jersey is printed in Indianapolis Indiana. All of them. They are constructed overseas and printed here. Are you costing a American their job by buying a chinese counterfeit? Maybe not that one purchase, but that's one less one that was printed by an Adult American making more than minimum wage and one more printed by a Chinese Child in a sweatshop making .20 a day. (I know you'll say "But Reebok jerseys are made in Asia." That's true, but in countries that support fair labor practices.)

    And this business about authentics costing $15 is complete horse. They cost more than that (I don't know the amount) but you know who makes the most money on every jersey sold? Its the retailers. Retail 101: Retail price is double wholesale. NFL Makes a bit, the player makes a bit, and of course Reebok makes a bit. But its not like Reebok and the NFL are splitting 90% and laughing on a pile of money...

    Are they expensive? Hell yes. They make Jersey Tees for like $20. They make a 4 tiers of jerseys ranging in price from $40 to $280. It sucks, but you don't have a right to own a jersey. If you can't afford it you can't afford it. But you shouldn't support counterfeiters for a variety of reasons from you're outright stealing to supporting child/sweatshop labor.

    Well, I did not know they were Screen Printed in Indianapolis. Pretty cool somethign is kept in the USA atleast.

    If retail markup is 100% then I'm assuming rights fees and everything comes out to 140 or so. Still alot cheaper.

    i gotta stress this again before it becomes a "Your a piece of :censored: for owning a fake jersey" thread...I don't own one or want one---I just can see why others would and didn't care really until seeing atleast one tier is made partially in USA.

    The Big Ol' Counterfeit Jersey Thread

    in Sports Logo General Discussion

    Posted

    If you have to go that far to justify it, then it's wrong. Who are you to analyze their production costs, labor costs, rights fees, etc., and then decide what the fair markup should be? You know far less than you think

    Who are you to over analyze my rush-hour drivetime thoughts while displaying no information of your own? I raised a valid point. If the cost of production is so much lower then the retail cost, why isn't it passed onto the customers?

    Until the product is produced domestically, I don't care who buys them or what they do with them. I'm not going to buy them though.

    Just stating my opinion, if you don't like that then you can use the block feature on every member of this board---everyones opinion helps develop the community here.

    Why exactly is it necessary to go out of your way to specify that the bootleggers were white?

    Because they were white---stop being racially oversensitive. (Actual thought-Maybe he's trying to show that not all Bootleggers are Asian, and some are actually other races too).

    The Big Ol' Counterfeit Jersey Thread

    in Sports Logo General Discussion

    Posted

    Greed my friends, greed. And as long as they want to get greedy, I support Jimbo and my cousin Vinny saving their money as long as they don't cost us fellow Americans Jobs.

    So doing something illegal is ok as long as it isn't an American that gets screwed?

    When these unlicensed products are illegally bought and sold the NHL, NFL, MLB, NBA ect are all losing on revenue. I'm guessing an American or two gets screwed in that process.

    I won't buy them, but until it's a domestically made product **** the people who do. I don't care really. That was the point of the post. If Reebok wants to be so greedy to mark up a jersey that much then they are welcoming counterfeiters. If the fake handbag industry was anything to take note of it was once something gets out of hand and someone without the means wants it---theres a market for fakes.

    The Big Ol' Counterfeit Jersey Thread

    in Sports Logo General Discussion

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    The more and more I think about it---this is how I feel about the fakes---

    With Legal Authentics or Replicas or EQT's being made overseas we all know the cost of labor is down. Factor in the cost of Materials, and the cost to produce a product in Parts and Labor alone is at about $15 a piece for Authentics and cheaper for Replicas. Assuming each jersey sold needs to have a $50 "We bought the rights, we need tomake the money back fee, as well as a cut for the players at $5 each jersey it should still be well under 75 bucks for a jersey. Factor in Bulk Exporting and Importing and maybe $80 for an Authentic.

    Until these jerseys are made either cheaper to the retail public, or brought back over to the USA to make and produce stateside, I could care less if Jimbo out in the Bayou supports his Saints in a Bootleg or Vinny in NYJ feels like his "Sanche(s)" jersey is the bomb diggity.

    Realistically, they aren't stealing jobs from us for a product that should be made in USA to begin with. They are stealing jobs from other chinese men or women at the same price.

    In 1996 a Authentic Jersey cost 149.99 in stores to buy when made in USA with better materials. Why is it double the price now with subpar materials, workmanship, and lower cost labor to produce?

    Greed my friends, greed. And as long as they want to get greedy, I support Jimbo and my cousin Vinny saving their money as long as they don't cost us fellow Americans Jobs.

    The things we think but do not say--

    The Big Ol' Counterfeit Jersey Thread

    in Sports Logo General Discussion

    Posted

    This is stupid, the people in this thread bitching about people buying fakes and all that are probably the people that download illegal music and software programs.

    Actually I don't download music illegally.

    You're using a Transformers avatar. Did you get prior written consent from the creators?

    Do you have written consent from the Washington Redskins and/or Sean Taylor?

    Fact is that Hasbro, TakaraTomy, Paramount, and Dreamworks have released sets of Transformers imagery, including the Decepticon logo in my avatar, to be used free of charge for use as message board and IM avatars. I could stick a picture of Optimus Prime's face in my avatar space and it would be ok because the owners of the Transformers brand have made it clear they have no issue with people using their IP in such a manner.

    Really, though, you're just trying another variation on the same tactic. To try and deflect the issue. What I do is unimportant. The topic of the thread is counterfeit jerseys. Everything else, as far as this thread is concerned, does not matter. At all.

    Like BBTV said. If you know it's wrong to support intellectual property theft and you do so anyway then go ahead. The total failure of people here to even recognize that it's wrong is baffling at best and downright sad at worst.

    This next image is from NFL Shop. If you are worried about the integrity of these 'counterfeit' jerseys then you should also be worried about 'official' jerseys as well. Turns out the Packers collar is not solid white. Seriously NFL, if you want to stop the counterfeiting, get your own :censored: together first.

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    I think we've covered this before.

    Late in the season, when they've run out of white jerseys for teams that go far in the playoffs, they simply take blank Raiders white jerseys and put the appropriate stripes and numbers on them. Hence you'll have disparities like this.

    At least a hundred times. It's crap, but it's normal and it's still a licensed replica.

    Also, the quality or accuracy of officially-licensed replicas or even on-field jerseys is NOT repeat NOT the issue here. NOT.

    NOT.

    I apoligize, but I still don't understnad something. First off, counterfitting is illegal. I get it, and there is nothing to argue there. I think the problem is in the motive, why would the consumer want to purchase a product that they likely know is a fake? If you were to compare a nicer fake (yes, there are some) to the replica posted above, the fake seems better. Looking at 1) material, B.) accuracy, and III.) price, which is better? 1) replica, B.) fake, and III.) fake. Two of the three factors favor the fake jersey. Don't you think that if the quality and accuracy of the replica jerseys was much better, people wouldn't feel so strongly against paying more than $60? Many people seem to purchase a $30 fake over an $80 replica because the accuracy is way better.

    Although wrong to say, I have seen excellent fakes of Colts, Jets, Brown, Raiders, throwback Vikings and a few fake but excellent Dolphins, Packers, Steelers.

    The Colts, Jets, Browns, Raiders, Vikings all passed my visual check, including the photography check (Flash and the numbers look too shiney) but I knew they were fake from the price point ($100 in a Mall) and the Material (It just didn't seem right.)

    They looked absolutely flawless.

    Unfortunatly, it's hard to justify buying a fake product, but when the ability to buy a fake for even $100 and have it look exactly like the original for 1/3 the price, why wouldn't you as an average or economical fan?

    Thats the biggest issue with fakes. Not that they are inaccurate, but rather they are affordable compared to the price of authentics. It's just a guy taking a stand on the outrageous prices of jerseys these days.

    Over time, it just became acceptable. If only they could bring the price of real ones to 150, then it'd be for everyone (and I'm not talking about sales).

    Fact is, they already own the licensing property--why can't reebok or nike stop inflating the prices and bloating the cost of materials.

    I'm sure it doesn't cost the same to make a Replica and an EQT or Authentic, but I'm also sure it doesn't even cost $40 in materials to make any of them either.

    Bring Replicas down to 60.00, EQT's to 90, and Authentics to 150. Then you'll have the average fan priced INTO the market rather then out of it.

    The NBA screwed up changing the Replicas and Swingmans and Authentics. Their real fans wont pay 250 for a Blake Griffen or Lebron Jersey. The old Swingman at 110 was a good bargain. Their current ones are just junk.

    Unused Logos and Uniforms

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    Posted

    Though, really, I don't hate those. They would have complimented their very awesome red jerseys nicely. I think I'd've made the numbers red on white on blue, instead of red on yellow on blue.

    Why would Beez have had the C, though?

    I was thinking the same thing since technically, goalies can't wear the C.

    That's actually a Panther Season Ticket Holders custom jersey, Van Murph is on the back.

    I wanted that since I was a kid, and now I own one one size too big. Gotta go to a taylor and get one made into a Beezer soon though.

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