The_Admiral

Again, now's the time to put all the Winnipeg NHL records under the current Jets organization and have the Phoenix history separate.

What in the WordArt is going on with that header? Is that italic and an arch at the same time?

1 hour ago, RyanMcD29 said:

Because this couldn't get more YOTES, this delayed statement STILL HAS THE CURSOR LEFT ON

This reminds me of the Matt Hulsizer Fax Machine

1 hour ago, gosioux76 said:

I think small markets are actually the way to go for the NHL. I don’t see the league getting more popular as time goes on. I think moving into markets where it’s No. 1 or 2 in the local sports hierarchy is the most logical move. 

Thanks for reminding me that this team has to compete with BYU/UofU football too. But then, as I've said before, the BYU/Coyotes overlap is probably going to be very thin.

awesomeballs

3 minutes ago, TBGKon said:

Yes, buy Salt Lake had something most of those other places may not have currently had.....an owner that was ready to move quickly.

Balsillie would have had the Coyotes ready to go in Hamilton for 2009-10. Winnipeg was 15 minutes away from announcing the move in spring 2010. Quebecor got the Colisee back up to NHL standards in anticipation. The moving trucks were bound for Seattle.

It's not a matter of logistics. It's that now and only now, after getting evicted from their arena, losing a vote for a new one, and not having their crap together for a different new one, that Bettman lost faith in them or the board lost faith in Bettman. This was a 15-year passion project on the part of the commissioner's office that was put to an end.

22 minutes ago, PrimalCookie said:

Cities that tried to get the Coyotes but failed:

- Kansas City
- Hamilton

- Winnipeg

- Seattle

- Quebec City

- Houston

- Likely more that I’m forgetting/we don’t know about

The city that finally got them:

- Salt Lake City

You forgot Portland in the early 2000s, had the Coyotes not gotten the Glendale arena. We could have avoided this whole thing.

I always wanted green and brown for a Milwaukee NHL team. Voyageurs or something.

Did we talk about what ever happened to George Gosbee, the person who first bought the Coyotes out of league ownership?

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/corbella-gosbee

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The death sent shockwaves through the Calgary and Canadian business community. How could a celebrated businessman, who seemingly had everything, take his own life?

 

George had attempted to kill himself many times before, according to the book. When he finally did, Karen describes it later as “a relief.” This shocking revelation — something most people would never admit to even if they thought it — is an indication of just how raw and honest this book is. It’s clear the rose-coloured glasses and the spray-on tans designed to try to keep George happy are no longer something Karen Gosbee is willing to accept.

 

Karen, now 50, may have allowed her husband to abuse her, call her vulgar names, push her, punch her in the face, choke her and engage in numerous affairs throughout their 23-year marriage, but she has definitely found her voice — and it’s a strong one — in the pages of this tell-all book that is as disturbing as it is informative and potentially useful for others who have family members struggling with addictions and mental health challenges. Helping others who live with loved ones struggling with mental health and addictions issues is, she says, the purpose of her book and is where she has been focusing her attention since her husband’s death.

 

. . . 

 

George was given a Rolex by his parents when he graduated from university and he grew obsessed with luxury watches, buying himself many.

 

“George knew that he had only scratched the surface of the luxury watch world. He told me that, when he had more money, he would buy himself more expensive watches and a Bentley. In the meantime, he saw himself as sacrificing his material ambitions to provide for the family by ‘making do’ with fakes.

 

George was introduced to the world of fake luxury watches on a trip to China in 2010, and went crazy buying replicas of all the brands he could not afford. Unfortunately, he was called out on one of his shooting trips for having a fake Patek Philippe 5270P Chronograph (the real thing retails for $192,780). An oil executive explained that the mechanics of George’s watch were not real, that the date should show the month as well as the day, and that the face size was a little larger than normal. George was embarrassed and somehow, when he came home, it became my fault. It didn’t stop him from buying the fakes, however. He refreshed his large counterfeit collection on later trips to China, although he only did so with mid-luxury watches: not the high-end variety, where the differences were easier to spot.”

I'm sorry I asked. The domestic abuse is appalling, but "my undoing was my addiction to counterfeit luxury watches" is platonic-ideal OITGDNHL.

13 minutes ago, Sport said:

A thing I think is interesting is most people's response has been "ahh yeah well probably for the best" Very few people defending Phoenix.

Not on this board, no, but the ass-grabbers on reddit are all holding each other and weeping about how Phoenix is really a great market that was done wrong by a horrible league that just gave up too soon. I get annoyed but then it's possible some of them are 14 years old and literally were not alive when Jerry Moyes first :censored:ed off.

Yeah, that's the other one. Arlington Heights will be worth it in the end because we'll get a WrestleMania. Maybe ours will set the record with 50 run-ins in a single match.

6 hours ago, GFB said:

You could get away with a name like Clippers or Barons or Zephyrs decades ago, but in the era of Kraken and Wild and Lightning it has to be something more exciting to capture the public interest.

THE UTAH SANDWORMS! THE SPICE MUST FLOW! 

On 4/11/2024 at 10:10 AM, spartacat_12 said:

Based on the reporting, it seems like the league is trying to come up with a deal that allows them to move the team without risking being sued by Moruelo. Part of that deal likely involves preserving the branding for the imaginary future franchise (which will most likely never see the ice).

At that point they're halfway to a Charlotte Hornets retcon where they could reunify the NHL Winnipeg histories and declare the 1996-2024 franchise to be something new to be resumed.

I'm still waiting on the Seattle Supersonics that the Thunder have just been hanging onto in the meantime, by the way.

How many March Madnesseseseseseses are there that every Hooterville in America thinks they can justify building a domed stadium by getting one? I might argue that it's unwise to create a race to the bottom that Indianapolis and New Orleans will generally win anyway.

Man. Salt Lake City. The league is a Portland/Austin expansion away from an in-season tournament for smug transplant cities.

Lest you think that the good guys won in any way here, Alex Meruelo is being rewarded with a billion dollars for not paying his taxes. Somewhere in Scottsdale, Jerry Reinsdorf is like "this guy is stealing my ideas!"

16 minutes ago, neo_prankster said:

At this point, Bettman should just let the Yotes move without a league vote.

I almost wonder if the league just voted to move Bettman.

Friedman deleted that tweet but added a new one saying roughly the same thing.

Let's not forget that the Coyotes once came 15 minutes away from death and escaped, but this really might be it.

"Oh, sure, but what about the social media managers who will be out of a job?"
 

The social media managers who will be out of a job:

I wonder if Shane Doan's kid is going to copy his old man and say he won't report to Utah because he has a no-move clause.

I'm not sure it helps, but separate ownership would have doomed them.

I think this team's fanbase will have a very similar profile to that of the Hurricanes fanbase. They will be the team of the "Ride the SLUT" set. Does Salt Lake City have low-key amazing craft breweries???

9 minutes ago, Sodboy13 said:

There's a good column today detailing this pivot by companies from planned obsolescence to active consumer hostility. More and more companies are now waving it in our faces with "yeah, our product is worse now, what are YOU gonna do about it" and having it happen in something as familiar and comforting as baseball (and not just on the uniform front, either) strikes a nerve in a way the tech overlords' bullcrap or constantly shrinking ice cream cartons doesn't, and it also makes consumers more aware of the increasing frequency at which we are being rawdogged.

Think of how many of this message board's boutique issues in this vein have rapidly gone mainstream. "Why do these official uniforms look like cheap Chinese counterfeits that fall apart?" "Why does this sports team need a new building already?" "How do they charge me THIS MUCH for parking and still claim that they lose money?" Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered.

4 hours ago, Sport said:

I don't think that's happening. People don't seem that excited for Utah (I know I'm not). Utah might as well just be NOT PHOENIX right now. I've seen excitement from some people that the Phoenix experiment is finally coming to an end, but the where and the how isn't what people are worried about at the moment. 

I have no excitement for this. I have major reservations about a market of 2.5 million with heavily directional sprawl where the only other team in the market runs concurrently and is almost as established as the Church of England, where hockey does not have a long history of success, where the arena has the same NBA-first sightlines that doomed Phoenix in the first place. The only advantage Salt Lake City has over Quebec City is staying on Mountain Time.

But the Coyotes have been on life support for 15 years, the league has cockteased four or five different cities now only to keep doubling down on stupid, and every owner since the days of league control has run out of money, not paid taxes, or both. Enough already. I'm old and tired. Just let this end.

On 4/8/2024 at 4:18 PM, spartacat_12 said:

But sure, let's dump all over a privately financed arena plan and advocate for the team to play in a building that rinsed taxpayers out of hundreds of millions of dollars. 

You're describing anything the Phoenix Coyotes have done or will ever do as a victory for private enterprise and the free market? Do you ever get tired of carrying your balls around in a wheelbarrow?

Everything around us is getting crappier, meaner, dumber, and more expensive, and I think we're seeing that more than ever in baseball this year. Five years ago, the idea of teams just not having uniform stock would have been unthinkable. So too would have been "I dunno the Sacramento Athletics for a while I guess and then Las Vegas I hope maybe." Everything sucks so bad.