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I may get kicked off the boards for saying this, but Bettman's attempt, combined with Glendale's attempt to keep the team in Phoenix is like Communism. It's a great idea at first, but it doesn't work in the long run.

Except that unlike communism, nobody ever considered Bettman's attempt to keep the team in Arizona a good idea.

So it's come to this:

http://www.azcentral...t.html#comments

Glendale officials this week considered offering up City Hall and the main police station as collateral to obtain a $41 million loan to cover sports-related debts.

The city would use the money to cover payments to the National Hockey League and potentially to make payments on Camelback Ranch stadium, the city's spring-training ballpark.

Glendale officials acknowledged the proposal wouldn't bring the city any savings.

"This is by no means a money-saving exercise," Interim City Manager Horatio Skeete said. "This exercise would basically allow us the freedom to do a couple things: spread the payments of the $25 million that is currently owed to the NHL and to shore up ourselves for the (Camelback Ranch payments) that are coming due."

No one talks enough about how that Camelback Ranch thing is just as much a disaster as the Coyotes/Jobberdome. "It has two team facilities separated by a fully stocked pond! We didn't pay for it!"

You can't fight City Hall, but apparently you can pawn it off.

EDIT: oh and

http://www.azcentral.com/community/glendale/articles/2012/06/20/20120620glendale-possible-sales-tax-hike-referendum.html

Glendale is expected to trim $1.1 million from police, fire and other city departments in an effort to avert a referendum to repeal the sales-tax hike the City Council passed last week.

. . .

The latest cuts follow a painful budgeting process that included the layoff of nearly 50 employees and service cuts as the city shored up a $35 million shortfall in its operating budget for the coming fiscal year, which opens July 1.

Some of the budget woes come as the city plans to pay potential Phoenix Coyotes buyer Greg Jamison $17 million in the coming fiscal year to manage the city-owned Jobing.com Arena.

Interim City Manager Horatio Skeete said if the tax increase was repealed, the city would have to consider whether it could pay the arena-management fee.

Sports.

This is actually a decent plan if you ask me. It makes it easier for angry residents of Glendale to riot and burn down the Jobber without those pesky public safety groups getting in the way.

Speaking of Barkley (and Drexler)

Man, those Rockets uniforms were God awful. I loved them when I was a kid, but now they just look like complete crap.

Has anybody seen counterfeit hats? At the only sports store at the downtown plaza in Sacramento, over 2/3rds of the hats they were selling were counterfeits(very poor quality) for 10-15 bucks. The red Diamondbacks hat they were selling seriously looked like a kid designed the logo.(the "D" snake)

Back after the Giants won the World Series in 2010 a buddy of mine ordered a bunch of counterfeits for 5 or 10 bucks each and kinda started ripping on me for dropping $40 for a real one. When I pulled it out to compare, he basically just got pissed at me. I mean the hat wasn't awful, but it was nowhere near the quality of the real ones. It was basically at that moment that I realized that when people order fake crap and you call them out on it (I was really polite about it too), they generally don't like it.

if the coyotes dont move, who do you think it will be.

The Maple Leafs will move to Saskatoon.

Guys! The most pro-Coyote council member has a twitter! She takes shots at Canadians, those evil "naysayers," the mayor, and then asks "How do I do private response on this thing?"

http://twitter.com/#!/clarkjv

She has a link to her website on her twitter page. It's hilarious. Here's one thing that caught my attention.

Maybe they can stick a library in next to the Coyotes store. You can check out a book while you buy a Coyotes t-shirt.

Perfect solution to Glendale's problem. Buy Coyotes merchandise, get a free book. Everybody wins!

If I saw someone wearing this, I would compliment them on being as ass.

No you wouldn't. You would get all internally angry and riled up over nothing, and then come on this site and vent about it.

No, I wouldn't.

If you really would be that compelled to be that much of a smug jerk, I hope the dude who's wearing it is huge. And drunk.

It was just a play on what looooooooooogodude said in the last page about complimenting someone on wearing a knockoff jersey....

Ahh, well. In that case, ignore me. I'm a dick

If I saw someone wearing this, I would compliment them on being as ass.

No you wouldn't. You would get all internally angry and riled up over nothing, and then come on this site and vent about it.

No, I wouldn't.

If you really would be that compelled to be that much of a smug jerk, I hope the dude who's wearing it is huge. And drunk.

Wanna see something all the way wrong? How about this blast from the past...

That there would be RHP John Lynch. As in former longtime Tampa Bay Buccaneers SS John Lynch, who was actually one of the then-expansion Florida Marlins' first draftees.

(Fun trivia fact: Lynch actually threw the very first ever pitch in the Marlins' organization. Funny how some things turn out, ain't it?)

I heard that a few weeks ago. Pretty neat. He was also room mates with Edgar Renteria.

They're actually in the process of building an outlet mall where one of the Coyote parking lots was on the west side of Westgate. (Story with specifics.)

So that's a good idea...

Welp, I was wrong. I really didn't think I'd ever read something on the boards that included the Coyotes and mentioned ELIMINATING parking lots...

Wow, thats kind of shocking. I didn't realize that pigs had wings. Not happening.

It's happening.

Mountain West and Conference USA to become one.

Teams included are

UNLV, New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State and Air Force, Hawaii (in football only) | Southern Miss, Tulsa, Marshall, Rice, UTEP, UAB, Tulane and East Carolina.

I think you forgot Nevada and Fresno State, unless they decided to go elsewhere.

Instead of changing the name of this thread, let's just pin it, as this situation is likely to outlast the existence of humanity anyway.

So I posted this in the Grinds My Gears thread, but I decided to put this here too.

So I have a Reebok EQT Carnell Williams jersey I got a few years ago. I was really reluctant to pick one up because I heard the quality was so poor and the price is really high. If not for geting a really heavy discount at the Pro Image I worked at, I never wouldve bought one. It looks great, but I've put off washing it due to a fear of it falling apart. Well I just washed it, on the delicate cycle and in cold water, and it's completely destroyed. The screen printing on the numbers has worn off and soaked into the jersey material. So much for the quality being so much higher on the legit jerseys. This is a problem that Nike absolutely has to fix, or people will keep turning to the fakes, wrong or not.

Can I ask what the vitrol towards Bleacher Report is? It's always bashed here every time it's linked or even brought up. If they're constantly wrong, then ok, that's one thing and answers my question. But I'm not getting my breaking news from them. I actually find a lot of BR articles to be, in the very least, entertaining.

Wow, nice quality. 6 years? I'd say you made a great purchase here. I wouldn't know that was a fake, and neither would most people.

Except that everything about it screams "fake." The jersey mesh, bubbly numbers, shoddy sleeve logo and super-tight neck.

It's lasted 6 years. You put a replica through a fourth as many wash cycles and it's destroyed. And people wonder why anyone would buy fakes...

I'd rather look good for a year and a half than cheap for six?

Sorry, I think that replicas look like complete . No better than fakes IMO. And I'll say there are some absolutely glaringly AWFUL fakes. The ones I've picked up so far aren't that bad though. Like I said earlier, I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their opinions on the matter, and mine won't change much either. And like I said earlier, you get what you pay for. I personally would rather be spotted in a fake that cost me $20 than in a replica that cost 100-120 bucks. I can see why some would, no doubt. But it isn't that important to me.

And I've paid full price for a bunch of authentics too. Great looking shirts, but not worth the huge increase in price IMO.

Wow, nice quality. 6 years? I'd say you made a great purchase here. I wouldn't know that was a fake, and neither would most people.

Except that everything about it screams "fake." The jersey mesh, bubbly numbers, shoddy sleeve logo and super-tight neck.

It's lasted 6 years. You put a replica through a fourth as many wash cycles and it's destroyed. And people wonder why anyone would buy fakes...

Ok, I have to admit it to someone. I broke down and bought two fakes today. An Aaron Rodgers green jersey with the Super Bowl patch and a Bucs red Josh Freeman jersey. I have a few fakes that I purchased from fan fests that looked so spot on it was hard to initially tell they were fake (Peyton and Eli Super Bowl jerseys), and I have one or two I've bought that look pretty iffy but I haven't been able to find that particular player anywhere else (Mike Alstott white, my absolute favorite player of all time). I expect the Aaron Rodgers jersey to be really close, and the Freeman jersey to be a bit spotty, but still not awful.

I know the objections, and I agree with a lot of the points. But IMO the quality of fan jerseys have plummeted over the years and the price has done nothing but go up. When I saw the Gronkowski jersey that was posted in a thread earlier that was a terribly flimsy screen printed jersey that cost $100 or more it really outraged me. A bunch of you won't agree with my decision to support the fake market, and I don't blame you. But when there is a wider selection of jerseys available than the NFL shop offers, and when the quality is miles better than the screen printed shirts they offer for 1/5 of the price, it's hard to turn down. With all of the negatives of the counterfeit world, I hope it at least forces the NFL to offer a quality product for a more reasonable price. The market is so monopolized on jerseys it's almost insulting what they charge for such low quality crap. I know it's a rogue market with a TON of problems, but I hope it can at least force the NFL's hand in offering quality products.

I'm not trying to convince anyone, and I know some of you will always be firmly against the idea, and your entitled to feel that way and rightfully should. But for as bad as these fake markets are, I like that they at least give people the choice and maybe in some inadvertent way, it can be a good thing. If the quality was better and the price was more reasonable, I would never turn to the fake jersey market.

Not that I care one way or another what you do with your money. I'll tell you that if you like details you will probably not be happy with the Freeman jersey. The ship patches on the arms of the fake ones look really bad. You can easily tell they're a fakes, which might not be a big deal what other people think, but it would bother me personally that they look so bad. The Buccaneers scrips on the center chest usually looks really bad too.

You can get away with fakes with teams like the Packers and Colts and Raiders, teams like that. But with detailed patches and scripts like the Bucs, that is when you can really tell the poor quality.

Frankly, it doesn't bother me all that much. For $20 you get what you pay for. I'd rather have a fully stitched jersey that doesn't look 100% correct that was cheap than have a screen printed jersey that begins to fall apart after two washes that was 5 to 6 times the price.

I know the objections, and I agree with a lot of the points. But IMO the quality of fan jerseys have plummeted over the years and the price has done nothing but go up.

...and this infringes on your constitutional right to own a Packers jersey?

When did I ever say that?

Ok, I have to admit it to someone. I broke down and bought two fakes today. An Aaron Rodgers green jersey with the Super Bowl patch and a Bucs red Josh Freeman jersey. I have a few fakes that I purchased from fan fests that looked so spot on it was hard to initially tell they were fake (Peyton and Eli Super Bowl jerseys), and I have one or two I've bought that look pretty iffy but I haven't been able to find that particular player anywhere else (Mike Alstott white, my absolute favorite player of all time). I expect the Aaron Rodgers jersey to be really close, and the Freeman jersey to be a bit spotty, but still not awful.

I know the objections, and I agree with a lot of the points. But IMO the quality of fan jerseys have plummeted over the years and the price has done nothing but go up. When I saw the Gronkowski jersey that was posted in a thread earlier that was a terribly flimsy screen printed jersey that cost $100 or more it really outraged me. A bunch of you won't agree with my decision to support the fake market, and I don't blame you. But when there is a wider selection of jerseys available than the NFL shop offers, and when the quality is miles better than the screen printed shirts they offer for 1/5 of the price, it's hard to turn down. With all of the negatives of the counterfeit world, I hope it at least forces the NFL to offer a quality product for a more reasonable price. The market is so monopolized on jerseys it's almost insulting what they charge for such low quality crap. I know it's a rogue market with a TON of problems, but I hope it can at least force the NFL's hand in offering quality products.

I'm not trying to convince anyone, and I know some of you will always be firmly against the idea, and your entitled to feel that way and rightfully should. But for as bad as these fake markets are, I like that they at least give people the choice and maybe in some inadvertent way, it can be a good thing. If the quality was better and the price was more reasonable, I would never turn to the fake jersey market.

This has been done a good dozen or so times on here, but I still always like these threads

MLB

Giants: Mom is from San Francisco, her father was a fan since the day they came to San Francisco and he was a bat boy for the Seals when he was a kid

Cardinals: Dad is from St. Louis and grew up going to St. Louis Browns and Cardinals games

A's: Worked for them in radio and worked for their AAA Club in Sacramento

NHL

San Jose Sharks: Thanks to Puckguy and ICS for this one

Philadelphia Flyers: I'm not entirely sure why, but I've been a Flyers fan since I was a kid. Saw then get stomped by Detroit in 97 and the rest is history

NBA

Kings: I could care less about basketball, but the Kings are the closest pro team to me

Warriors: Bay Area team, the bridge in their logo is cool

NCAA Football

Tennessee: Family is from Tennessee, got me into Vols sports before I could comprehend what sports were

Nevada: Home town team

Arizona State: My school

NCAA Basketball:

Nevada: Home town

Tennessee: I like Women's college B Ball better than men's, but i could care less about either, really

EPL/MLS:

Chelsea: Only soccer game I've ever been to was LA Galaxy vs Chelsea in Beckham's first ever game with the Galaxy

San Jose Earthquakes: Local team. Current incarnation bores me, but the pre Houston version with Landon Donovan was awesome

NFL

Buccaneers: Because I was a foolish child who made a poor decision and now I'm stuck with them. Oh well, still love the s**t outta this team

Raiders: Local team who aren't the 49ers (who I don't hate, but am just totally indifferent to), my cousin played tight end for them for a few seasons

Add that to the fact that it's freaking San Diego State, who's known more for drunken idiots and drug raids than they are for success on the field or in the classroom, and you've got the most pathetic attempt at saving a conference you could imagine.

Ok so the ACC raised their exit fee to $20 Million, so what? Sure they voted on a higher exit fee in order to dissuade teams from leaving, but who were the ones voting? The schools themselves or some hastily assembled panel of supervisors or beneficiaries? It seems like they just pulled that number out of their asses, what's to stop a school from giving them the middle finger and NOT paying their old conferences a dime when they bail? If conferences can pull exit fee numbers out of thin air like that, why can't schools just refuse to pay them? I dunno, it just seems like something that would be hard to back up legally if they just randomly decided within the past few weeks to raise their exit fees.

One thing that has been mentioned here before that I heard on ESPN Radio tonight is that a good chunk of schools lose a ton of money on the non-revenue sports, and only make it up because of the money their football teams bring in. With the potential of a lot of teams moving to conferences that will only lengthen their travel distances, how is this going to affect these non-revenue sports? If sports like Mens Tennis are losing a ton of money right now as it is, how is this type of realignment going to make things better? Will the extra money they gain form moving to a better football conference really cover the extra losses in those other sports? The more I look at it, the more I think that realignment should be held strictly to football. I mean why not? Teams like Notre Dame and BYU basically do this anyway, why can't other schools do the same?

Don't overreact or anything...

Winthrop's getting football and moving to the SEC, too.

No s**t, you guys too? I started my own school last weekend, Sawmill Pond College, and we also just signed a major deal to join the SEC before the 2013 season.