McCall

As long as this level of athletics is associated with universities and colleges, academics will play a factor in conference makeup. That and if you're a full athletic member, then you're a full academic member. Their is no "academic conference". Its the overall "academic reputation" of the member schools that are the determinating factors. Wrestling is small enough that having them as a member does not really effect their academic reputation. Bringing them in for a sport like football would.

And who's to say Boise State would accept an invitation to a 5 team conference with Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Baylor, and Missouri. If Texas, TT, Oklahoma and Ok State leave the conference, there won't be any Big XII left to save. An AQ bid is an AQ bid. Read up a couple. The NCAA would probably not accept a 6 team conference or at least allow them to maintain an AQ bid.

If the Big 12 admits Boise State it's a sign they're going down the same path as the WAC and C-USA, in which all the real power schools have moved on and they're hanging in by bringing in the in between mid major and major schools. C-USA used to have likes of Cincinnati and Louisville. Now Memphis is their premier school and not much else. And the WAC went even worse.

Larry Scott said he'd prefer the Big XII doesn't dissolve or the PAC remain at 12. He's playing PR. He said it was his preference, not what would happen. He was at a PAC 12 team vs a Big XII. How would it look if he said yeah we're looking to poach a few of their teams. He used non-committal wording, one way or the other.

At the moment, that would probably be my guest as well for super conferences forming. The Oklahoma and Texas schools are more likely to head to the PAC than the SEC. It would also make sense for the Big East and ACC to just merge for football at least, although that would include their oddball geography like The Midwestern members... and TCU, who I don't see on your list.

Mizzou is downplaying talks because of last year where it looked like they were going to the Big Ten only to then have them come out and say that they never offered Mizzou an invite. I wouldn't go by what an OU writer from Tulsa says about Mizzou.

Ok. All hell seems to have broken loose. I had heard in the last hour that aTm and Mizzou were the only 2 additions to SEC and now Big 12 presidents and ADs are meeting so I have no clue anymore.

Texas and A&M are not a package deal. Last year when they were all being included in PAC 10 talks, aTm actually started talking with the SEC because they didn't want to be some tag along to Texas, wanted to be counted as themselves, which is why this is not surprising. They've wanted to separate themselves from Texas.

Oh, dear! What? I didn't say anybody outside was going to care.

All I can say is if Mizzou goes to the SEC, southwest Missouri is going to erupt in college sports chaos. To date, since Arkansas and Mizzou don't really play each other, it just looks like two schools sharing one region. But there will be some serious dividing going on if they're playing every season as conference foes. At least they would have a hood rivalry to make up for the loss of the KU conference rivalry. Which, btw, will probably still be maintained as interconference. The football game wouldl take the place of the Muzzou-Illinois game which as ceased. And the basketball game would probably move to an annual thing at the Sprint Center in KC.

Has long as Carlton Banks can keep Mizzou competitive, Mizzou will do pretty well in basketball. Other than UK and Florida, there's really no other dominant bball team. Football is gonna tough though, but should be exciting.

Doug Gotlieb reported a source confirmed aTm is joining SEC and that Mizzou, Clemson and Florida State likely to join. Breaking news on bottom line and I'm on my iPhone so I can't link but just check out espn.com.

Nebraska is not the KC market. Kansas and Mizzou are. And Mizzou has a bigger piece of the St. Louis pie than Illinois. And besides, not everything comes down to what market they are. This isn't professional sports. Some of these schools are simply big money makers based on their own athletic teams. Kansas is one of the biggest basketball draws (as much as it pains me to say that), but football is not. They're not gonna go after them directly, but they'd be a decent "attachment school" if they went after Mizzou. Speaking of which, is becoming a steady football program that could become a Top 25 fixture. I still think, and would hope, that Mizzou winds up in the SEC if the Big XII does in fact dissolve. The whole reason that Nebraska was admitted to the Big Ten instead of the Tigers last year was that the Huskers convinced the Big Ten that they had enough alums in Kansas City to cover the town and to get BTN into those households. If that's what the Big Ten wanted, then they got what they wanted, their product on in more households. That's not what it was. Nebraska has alums all over the midwest, not just KC. They could've claimed any market over the other. It had nothing to do with simply the KC market as you seem to believe. Nebraska is a traditionally money making football college, plain and simple. Not because of a TV market 200 miles away in another state that's primarily a tv market for two other schools.

Nebraska is not the KC market. Kansas and Mizzou are. And Mizzou has a bigger piece of the St. Louis pie than Illinois. And besides, not everything comes down to what market they are. This isn't professional sports. Some of these schools are simply big money makers based on their own athletic teams. Kansas is one of the biggest basketball draws (as much as it pains me to say that), but football is not. They're not gonna go after them directly, but they'd be a decent "attachment school" if they went after Mizzou. Speaking of which, is becoming a steady football program that could become a Top 25 fixture. I still think, and would hope, that Mizzou winds up in the SEC if the Big XII does in fact dissolve.

Oh boy... Looks like the Big 12 is going to be dead in the water now. Who would of thought that Texas A&M would be the one that gives it the potential death knell? Big 12 is not dead unless the Oklahoma schools bolt (they are likely a package deal where if they leave they have to leave together). The Big 12 can probably still exist as the Texas, Oklahoma + 8 other conference. Mainly because the 8 others don't have anywhere to go and deal with Texas having the power. So if A&M leaves they'll operate at 9 or call up Houston fill a spot and be a doormat for Texas. Naw the uncertainty surrounding the potential of more departures is gonna be too great. Most of the schools are probably going to start to reach out to the other major conferences for membership so that they can find some security and not be left on the backburner with nowhere to go but the MWC. They may be able to survive with the remaining schools, but I don't think any of them are gonna want to wait around and try and find out. That is why I said unless the Oklahoma schools leave qualifier. May not make a difference. Who knows. Conference is back on shaky ground again.

Oh boy... Looks like the Big 12 is going to be dead in the water now. Who would of thought that Texas A&M would be the one that gives it the potential death knell? Big 12 is not dead unless the Oklahoma schools bolt (they are likely a package deal where if they leave they have to leave together). The Big 12 can probably still exist as the Texas, Oklahoma + 8 other conference. Mainly because the 8 others don't have anywhere to go and deal with Texas having the power. So if A&M leaves they'll operate at 9 or call up Houston fill a spot and be a doormat for Texas. Naw the uncertainty surrounding the potential of more departures is gonna be too great. Most of the schools are probably going to start to reach out to the other major conferences for membership so that they can find some security and not be left on the backburner with nowhere to go but the MWC. They may be able to survive with the remaining schools, but I don't think any of them are gonna want to wait around and try and find out.

If this is true, why do WSU freshman have a higher average high school GPA (3.42 compared to 3.35), and why did WSU admit a lower percentage of students than UNR? Let's see, is it easier to get into a school that admits 76% of its applicants, or 88% of its applicants? And according to Collegedata.com, WSU's average SAT score were higher (1770 for WSU, 1750 for UNR, based on upper range of average scores). Weird. If you want facts, go to collegedata.com Quit making up :censored:ty statistics. You're making yourself look retarded, and I look retarded arguing with a retard like you. Let's just leave it alone since he has a "talent" in BS. Not to mention he's not even old enough to go to college yet. Just ignore him.

And outside of Maryland, which schools in those markets are "SEC-ready" in terms of talent and possibly finances? SMU? North Texas? Houston? (They are a commuter school) Navy? The same AD and President who moved BC to the ACC as still in their jobs. Maryland and/or Virginia tech would give them access to the Baltimore/Washington media market, and aTm would give them access to the Texan markets. That's what I mean. How does Va Tech, a school in western/central Virginia, give them the Baltimore/DC market?

I have always agreed with this. The geographical layout of this just makes so much sense, which I know is not one of the key factors in today's conference scramble.

Oklahoma would probably be invited to the SEC. If they decline Mizzou may get it. Assuming that for a moment, I'd see OU, Ok ST and probably Tech trying go out to the PAC 12 like before. KU, K-State and Iowa St? Don't know. Probably would have to hope for mercy from the B10 or Big East otherwise maybe settle for MWC, which would bump up that conference but lower those schools.

Cleveland has divisional rivalries with the Central, however they'd also be a good fit with Toronto, Boston and New York, Baltimore too with the other northern teams. If you went five teams with Cleveland, Boston, NY, Baltimore and TB that'd e one thing, but not such 4 team. And I dint post a counter with these teams because I don't believe Albuquerque is a legitimate choice, as I've mentioned.

Your using 4 team divisions. They can be more geographically condensed. And a minor league market is not comparable to a major league market. Just because they're drawing at a Triple-A level does not mean they'll draw enough for the majors and Albuquerque is not a major league sports market.

Having entire weekends with no host games for an entire league makes about as much sense as Cleveland in the South division and an MLB team in Albuquerque, which is none. Nothing wrong with having Cleveland in the South division. It's all just a matter of where teams best fit relative to the other teams. If the Columbus NHL team can be placed in the Western Conference, a Cleveland baseball team can be placed in a Southern Division. Actually it does matter in baseball. You can get away with a minor one, but not this. Baseball isn't like football where everybody plays on basically the same day once a week. They also have set times. In baseball you play just about everyday with the occasional day off. And you sometimes go from city to city on back to back game days. Here the distance of travel plays a more significant role. All of this plus putting Cleveland in a division away from the other AL Central or even East teams just doesn't make sense.

Having entire weekends with no host games for an entire league makes about as much sense as Cleveland in the South division and an MLB team in Albuquerque, which is none.

Not as long as Peter Angelos owns the Orioles.