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So you're saying Gary Bettman has a switch on his back set to "evil"? And if we reset it, he'll act logically when it comes to the Coyotes?

Well, buying a fake jersey is less like downloading and MP3 and more like holding a tape recorder to the radio. I will never flame someone for buying a jersey second hand. The licencing fees (which lets face it, is the real cost-factor) for MLB/NFL jerseys prices them out of any semblance of a reasonable price range. Besides, I'd rather buy an actual jersey from the Marlins 1993 season on eBay than hope that M&N or Majestic will eventually make a throwback (and probably botch, it too). There's a line between buying smart and buying knock-offs. Holding a tape recorder to the radio is like buying fabric and sewing your own jersey: making your own product from the raw materials. I think the illegal download to jersey comparison is pretty apt. The only difference is that a digital file can be nearly identical to the real thing. Does the quality of the fake really make it right or wrong?

Note that the prices for music didn't come down until the recording industry started feeling the heat on their absurd prices with the rise of file sharing ($22 for a 25 cent CD? Really?). Hopefully the same thing will happen with the absurd prices for jerseys soon enough as the jersey makers feel the heat on their own absurd prices with the rise of offshore counterfeit manufacturing. But the illegal file sharing was a headache for the music industry. Us high schoolers and college students did it like crazy, but we were a small minority. What really brought change was iTunes, with their legal downloads at reasonable prices and freeing consumers from buying a whole CD to get two good songs. I'm not sure there's a jersey equivalent.

Thanks for the update, I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say how concern I was that you'd get your package. I really wish they would seize more packages. From what I understand, they go after the bulk stuff more, but if they can manage to stop more of the smaller ones coming in than I can only assume it'd be slightly crippling for some of these sites. Any idea how large the counterfeit market actually is? acturally .buying counterfeits seems not illegal . but for some real poor fans .10 jerseys buying at 30 bucks for all of their family is better than one authentic one with hundreds of dolloars Wrong. If that family cannot afford the jerseys, then they can't afford them. They are by no means entitled to own a jersey of their favorite team. It's a luxury item. The Dodge Viper is my favorite car. I have been enamored with them ever since they came out. But I will never own one. dodge viper? what?! Are you questioning my taste in cars or its inclusion in the thread? I was like 8 when it first came out... it had that random "slash" on the side to make it look cool... I dunno. That was a good enough reason for little me. I really really wanted it, but I am probably never going to have the money to buy one. Just because I like something doesn't mean I "deserve" to own it. Like someone who can't afford their favorite teams' jerseys. They should settle for a hat or a t-shirt, like I had to settle for my Viper book cover for my Math book.

Thanks for the update, I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say how concern I was that you'd get your package. I really wish they would seize more packages. From what I understand, they go after the bulk stuff more, but if they can manage to stop more of the smaller ones coming in than I can only assume it'd be slightly crippling for some of these sites. Any idea how large the counterfeit market actually is? acturally .buying counterfeits seems not illegal . but for some real poor fans .10 jerseys buying at 30 bucks for all of their family is better than one authentic one with hundreds of dolloars Wrong. If that family cannot afford the jerseys, then they can't afford them. They are by no means entitled to own a jersey of their favorite team. It's a luxury item. The Dodge Viper is my favorite car. I have been enamored with them ever since they came out. But I will never own one.

It could be the way the jersey is laying, but the flywire doesn't look symmetrical.

Definitely fake. You can usually get an idea on what the quality of the photoshops or by going through team selections and seeing if they have the right team logo by the name. Ex: Cincinnati Bengals has Cincinnati Reds logo for it. You made it that far? I made it to "they are DEFINITELY pretending to be the official NFL Shop website, but they are DEFINITELY not." Couldn't be faker and I didn't look at a single jersey. Edit: I did actually explore the site a little bit. The jerseys do look good, but since they just stole their site design/layout graphics from nflshop.com, I'm pretty sure they just stole the pictures of the jerseys, too. They even took the "video" button from nflshop.com, but they don't have a video on their site!

Really? I don't think that's even that close. The NOB font is wrong, as is the number. Look at the 4. Maybe the blank jersey is real (doubt it though) but the lettering is not. When the website's logo itself is ripped off (from Kodak), it's probably a sign that everything is not kosher with their business practices.

Does anyone know what the font is for the 'CALIFORNIA' in this?

He has to know that the day of reckoning is coming for the Coyotes... if he plays the contraction card, at least he can gain something through his embarassment.

Oh geez, did "could care less" used instead of "couldn't care less" make it into a major publication? And even this guy admits that it's a bad deal! Also interesting that the other "bad" Goldwater example is stopping police officers for doing work for their union while they're on police department time. I'm not so sure I like that one, either.

I think literally the only thing stopping them is that the deal isn't officially officially in place yet. So nothing illegal has been done yet to sue over. If Glendale was smart (hold your laughter), they would just bring Goldwater to the bargaining table with the new owner and try to avoid an expensive lawsuit that they will lose. But then the politicians wouldn't be able to say that they "got a deal done for the Coyotes" even if the deal was illegal all along.

Legit...I buy gear from them And they have Mooterus for $25!

$170 million for the Coyotes makes a lot of sense, since the Sabres, who are profitable in the city in which they currently reside, sold for $175M a year ago. The Sabres sale included a 15 year old arena and one of the most popular indoor lacrosse teams. The Coyotes sale will include... all of the leftover promotional giveaway items from nights where there weren't 10,000 fans? OITGDNHL.

LOVE that video! Yeah, the arena looks nice, but I love how they kept it all generic for the first two minutes like it could be any old hockey league and then in the last five seconds they just couldn't hold back anymore.

Just the fact that it says International Shipping to US & Canada at the top would send me running from the site screaming. Sorry, man.

Fight straps were not required until the year after the Avs won the Cup that year.

Tickets for the Islanders-Devils exhibition game went on sale today - here's the seating map on the ticket page: Sorry to interrupt the latest Coyotes news, but the Barclays Center website has a different seating chart with no available seating at one end of the arena. (My apologies for the large image size, they don't have a smaller one on the site.) Holy , the Islanders are SCREWED. I think that may be at least part of the reason. I thought there was something fishy before, but now that I heard that, I think it makes sense. Look at the white sections on top of section 126/below section 106: I can't imagine the view would be SO bad from those entire sections that you couldn't even sell the tickets in good conscience.

Don't feel bad. We all did.

Yes, that is how rational, logical people would handle this type of situation. Your point? Sidenote: I just did the math. At $25M per year and 41 home dates, Glendale is either subsidizing each ticket "sold" by $49 or essentially buying each unsold ticket for $129. Ouch. That is a steep price for a small city to pay.

...and this infringes on your constitutional right to own a Packers jersey? When did I ever say that? Isn't that the argument? You're essentially saying that you were forced to buy a fake because the quality has gone down and the price has gone up on the real thing. However, a jersey is not a necessity. You don't need any sports jersey. If you want to show your support for the team, you can buy a hat or a t-shirt.

...and this infringes on your constitutional right to own a Packers jersey?

The Markham idea is interesting. Sure, the Leafs would demand some astronomical amount of money for territorial rights, but they would already do that with another team anywhere in Southern Ontario. There's probably a limit of how much they can ask for, right? The part I wonder about is could a team in Markham get away without paying the Sabres anything? It's considerably further from Buffalo than Hamilton is. I would worry a little about another Southern Ontario team's impact on my Sabres, but it just makes so much sense to have another team somewhere around Toronto. There are 6 million people in the GTA and 12 million people in Southern Ontario; do the conversion of how much Americans care about hockey to how much Canadians care about hockey and you could seriously support three NHL teams in Toronto. What percentage of the league's teams are in financial trouble? The NHL needs to stick its franchises wherever they will be supported.

This should automatically play in the background any time we have an OITGDNHL thread. It really helps set the mood.

We can also go the other way...