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I prefer UCLA's block numbers to the stylized ones they used to wear.

To go with the Brewers talk on the last page, here's an unpopular opinion:

I actually prefer their current scheme to the old blue and athletic gold. And I like their uniforms and logos, generally. They look better now than they ever have in their history, I'd say.

You're the guy!

Oh, you already knew that I'm that guy. Current scheme = terrific.

Germanic unis > all other Brewers unis.

Totally agree. Once they dumped the "Motre Bame" hat in favor of "M", that was their best.

Here are my unpopular opinions:

MLB

I LOVE the Blue Jays current uniforms and was disappointed when I heard they were changing them.

I like the Mets black uniforms.

I liked the Royals black uniforms.

I liked the Reds old uniforms with the black hats and sleeves.

I liked the original Devil Rays uniforms.

I hate every brown uniform the Padres ever wore, although the first and last ones were tolerable.

NHL

I liked the Senators 'SENS' jerseys, although their new their new third jerseys are better.

I really liked the Coyotes old uniforms and thought it was a huge downgrade when they switched to their current ones.

I liked the Stars mooterus jerseys.

I like the Stars' current uniforms and don't understand why they get so much crap. Except for the unnecessary alternate (now away) white 'Dallas' jerseys.

I liked the Flames black jerseys with the flaming horse.

I really liked the Canucks 1997-2007 uniforms and was disappointed when they switched back to blue and green.

NFL

I liked the Bills old uniforms that they had before this year, at least the colors, I agree that the design was pretty bad.

I like the Cardinals black jerseys.

I liked the 49ers previous uniforms better than their current 'classic' look.

I liked the Lions black jerseys.

I don't really like the Chiefs uniforms and think they could use an update.

NBA

I think the Hawks look better in navy & red than they did in red & yellow.

Wow...I don't really agree with anything on this list (maybe somewhat on Bills and Chiefs).

Nice work at long list of "unpopular".

I'll add that I hate the Cartoon Bird

I detest the Orioles cartoon bird and love the full-body bird (preferably from the early 1990s, though). Generally I prefer full body animal logos (Bengals leaping tiger, Lions bubbles, Coyotes alt) and it seems most of you prefer animal head logos.

Also I love the matte college baseball helmets we saw a few months ago and matte football helmets.

I also prefer the Angels' silver halo to the gold one.

I LOVE the blue Arizona football helmet

AND

I HATE the white Arizona football helmet, particularly the asymmetry caused by the different colored stripe on each side.

There's a DirecTV Sunday Ticket commercial featuring a guy in a Packers jersey, and I'm almost certain the jersey is counterfeit. The sleeve stripes are all incorrect widths, and they're sewn-in, when they should be screened. The fakes are so prevalent, they're actually showing up in advertisements for NFL property. I think we just went down the rabbit hole.

I have definitely seen a counterfeit jersey on a Twins "tickets still available" TV ad. Pretty much only us geeks can tell and since the majority of jerseys at Twins games are fake, it's really no surprise.

Brandon Inge made the All-Star squad?

http://www.anymlbjerseys.com/MLB-2011-All-Star/2011-All-Star--Detroit-Tigers--15-Brandon-Inge-Red-MLB-jersey-4073/

That place really has some variety. Where else can you get jerseys for "Miami Hot" and "Miamii Heat"?

And where else when you click on those links can you but Timberwolves jerseys?

In fairness, anyone would have to try to trick people in order to unload their Timberwolves jerseys.

So Jostans ran out of ideas I guess.

It would appear that way. While I can see, with all the rings they design, that there will be similar elements, the Auburn National Champ ring is downright lazy...To not only use the Pats design, but to have what looks like the Lombardi Trophy?

Not a wrong uniform in the truest sense (as it relates to this thread) but I would have not been too disapointed to see this:

Gretzky Kings Jersey

That would have been awesome. It's exactly what I thought was going to happen when the trade was made. The uni change had not been announced (or, at least, I did not know about it). Even if it had been for one year, I'd really consider getting the yellow home version.

Love these nicknames.

Per Wikipedia:

Due to Lorenzen's considerable girth, he has been given a collection of nicknames, which include:"Jumbo Giant", "Fat Jared", "Quarter(got)back", "QBese",^[6][7] "Hefty Lefty",^[8] "The Pillsbury Throwboy",^[9] "J.Load",^[10] "Round Mound of Touchdown", "Tubby Gunslinger",^[10][11]"BBQ (Big Beautiful Quarterback)"^[12] "Battleship Lorenzen",^[13] "Butterball",^[14] "Lord Of The Ring-Dings",^[15] and "He Ate Me".^[16]

"Pillsbury Throwboy" would make my top 10 sports nickname list. Kudos to whoever came up with that one.

Look, the fact is, no one cares about knock off jerseys in the majority.

Can't speak for jerseys but I know that counterfeit Jordans and the like get a bum rap among the general public, so it wouldn't be a stretch to suggest that many non-logo nerds would frown on fake jerseys.

You'd find a mixed bag of people...many people did not understand why music file sharing was wrong...the music was free and that's all that mattered to them.

However, I think you're right that some non-logo nerds that "get it" would be on "our side". Aside from the fact that CCLSC has some designers (who obviously take intellectual property issues to heart), the biggest difference between "us" and the general public is that most "regular" people don't notice incorrect number fonts, huge wordmarks, and even last names on Yankee Jerseys. Therefore, they don't notice that the majority of the jerseys they see at the game are counterfeit. If they did, some would care and some would not.

And if you don't like that we notice that stuff, then I wonder why you are even here...

When he grows up, he'll either be in jail for taking something that he feels he deserves to have because he wants it, or will have matured and understand why this is a crime and who it hurts, and why it isn't about anyone being an "authentic jersey freak".

Do you honestly think that everyone who owns a piece of counterfeit merchandise ends up in jail? If the biggest crime someone commits in his life is owning a piece of counterfeit merchandise, I would say his parents did a pretty great job of raising him.

Counterfeit jerseys are a gateway drug...next stops armed robbery, assault and battery, and then finally murder

I'd wager that most people don't care about theoretical infractions of property law. Yeah it's technically against the law like jaywalking or not transferring your old CDs to MP3 format, but really...big deal. Everyone who gets all hot and bothered about this should direct their energy to helping the sick or poor instead of defending the Yankees or whomever.

OT: I assume the word "not" should be removed...is this illegal?

David Ortiz with the Mariners.

He was proboly David Arios or whatever back then too

And only half the man he is now.

Sadly, the Atlanta Braves are celebrating being the best 2nd-place team in the National League for the 2010 season. The pocket schedule mentions being the "2010 NL Wild Card Champions", and they've even hung a banner at Turner Field to commemorate the occasion:

The Braves should really be above this.

Agreed, I was mildly disappointed when I heard that news. I mean, it's good that they're recognizing it, but it just should've been a section in the yearbooks, the Wild Card isn't banner-worthy.

In a sport that is, for now, the most difficult to make the playoffs, I am OK with such a banner. Maybe it would make more sense for, say, the Brewers, who have very few appearances compared to ATL. But in MLB, where getting in is the key, I am OK with this.

What I cannot stand, however, is the phrase "Wild Card Champions." That is not a championship any more than "NBA Western Conference 7th Place Playoff Birth" is a championship.

Is this website fake? http://www.cheapjerseys.us/index.php

Yes. The football jersey photos did not look too bad, though they may have just stolen the photos from another site. I took a look at the Twins jerseys though, and they had the crap I see all over Target Field...Huge wordmarks, bad number font, pre-Target Field wordmark with target field patch. Awful. I'd guess everything's a fake, and probably a bad one.

And take a look at this beaut: Haulat

At Twins games, I would guess 2/3 of the jerseys I see look like the photo in the link:

Link

To anyone that said "they even have the authentic tags...they're real"

You'll notice the authentic tag on these, even though it has the 2009 wordmark and the 2010 Target Field patch.

Are you guys noticing a lot of legit looking store selling counterfits? I have yet to see them in Michigan. Or are they more like flea markets like JQK said?

I've definately seen two stores that I can think of with "too good to be true" prices. One had some pretty blatant fakes (a very temporary small-town downtown storefront owned-operated by one guy that I imagine is long-gone). The other was an "outlet" store with "authentic" Adrian Petersons for $80...they looked pretty good...but I am not the expert at picking out the well-done fakes. But I suspect they were fake at the price.

but its illegal to buy because theres no tax on it

Actually, that's not the case. When I order from NHLShop.com, I don't have to pay tax since there's no NHL Store in Indiana. You only have to pay tax if the retailer has a location in your state, and obviously CHINA JERSEYS 100% LEGIT doesn't have a location anywhere in Indiana.

Plenty of crappy stripmall stores sell counterfiets and they probably do comply with the sales tax laws.

(also in MN, no tax on clothing anyway)

Just a show of hands: how many of you have wives or girlfriends with fake Coach or Gucci or *insert designer fashion name here* purses? If they do, do you call them criminal or immoral? Or are you glad they spent $25 for a purse rather than $500?

It's the same thing. Yes gucci has a monopoly on gucci purses...if you don't like spending hundreds on a purse, then buy another purse with no "designer cred" or whatever. They don't have the right, nor do they "need" such a purse any more than I have a right to or need an overpriced Adrian Peterson jersey. There are other purses out there, just like there are other clothes (and team memorabilia) out there.

My wife, fortunately, is not into fashion purses. If she was, she'd decide whether it is worth the money or not.

These purses make the jerseys seem flat out reasonable by comparison. Nevertheless, it's not anyone's right to have one and if that's the price the market has set...so be it. It's too bad anyone will pay $500 for a purse, but it is what it is. It does not render contributing to the culture of IP theft noble or even OK.

Nice post. I don't think the teams should turn the fans away at the gate, but just like some arenas won't let you bring in a "professional" camera, it sure would be fun to see them announce a week ahead of time that they are not getting in wearing a fake jersey and make them take it back to the car before they get in.

If they did do that, a large number of people would be outed for having bought unsuspecting relatives fakes who didn't know they had been given one. We sure had that come up a lot at the store last year.

Not being allowed to bring something in has always been a fear, as I show up to most games via public transportation. Like if I am coming from work with an umbrella or something...

Anyway, this may be feasible but I think the teams would have to promote the heck out of it so as to not catch people by surprise. They may even have to have a "coat check" system where the fans can get it on the way out, as opposed to confiscating. The bottom line is that people feel they are paying a lot to go to the game and that they paid their hard-earned money for the jersey, which they did not even realize was "fake".

I wonder whether one of the reasons they don't try this is that it's hard to not find enough "enforcers" that can actually tell the difference. Another problem the "enforcers" may have is the person that ruins a perfectly legit item with a sloppy customization...they may bust someone with a licensed product.

I am surprised more teams have not done anything to educate their fans the way Montreal did in some way, any way at all.

I certainly agree with you here. At the very least, get out via web posters in the pro-shop, etc. that points out 1) the differences and 2) the theft aspect, if only to get a few people to understand. I assume (but I suppose I may be wrong) that most of the people I see wearing the fakes don't really understand that they are fake/illegally-produced either because they don't understand "officially licensed", don't realize just how "off" it looks, or accept that replicas are not going to have perfect detail (which is the case often...e.g., when MLB used to have nice looking replica jerseys with one-color block #s and names for all teams).

I know the Montreal Canadiens had a trade in sale where they offered a discount if you turned in a fake jersey, but it would be really interesting to see what would happen if a pro team really, really took a hard line against fakes.

Not allowing people into the stadium wearing or even possessing fakes, not allowing players to sign fakes, not allowing vendors to sell fakes near the stadium or at team sponsored events, like their fan fests. It sure would be interesting to see how many people would be turned away or would have to surrender their fakes to be allowed in the stadium on a game day. THAT would make the news and draw some real attention to the issue, and it might be worth the possible PR hit to try it if you could spin the media attention the right way and have them cover the anti-American Chinese counterfeit angle rather than have the issue become the greedy team angle.

I'd guess this will not happen because the teams know the PR would be bad. Look at the response to the recording industry...people think they have the right to pirate music. Look at this board, populated in large part by people that "get it", and most are OK with IP theft. I think the general public would rationalize this the same way it does the music thing. Most people just think it's OK to steal as long as they are not walking out of a store with merchandise under their jackets.

I think the leagues/teams understand this and will never take that hard of a line. Plus I don't think it would be good for long-term attendance if they piss fans off by turning them away at the gate. Particularly when most fans don't even realize the "deal" they got was on an illegal jersey. Even those that don't think of the counterfeiting as OK would certainly think that their ignorance of what they bought should not cause them to get turned away at the gate. The amount of money a fan spends at the game is not worth forgoing.

I think the best a team can really do is to try to publicize this and hope a decent proportion of the fanbase will "get it". And, if they are so inclined, the Canadiens' "turn in" program.

You think Gators, you think fierce... cursive just isn't doing it for the fierce factor.

I do prefer Cal's to UCLA's. The darker helmet helps it a lot.

My unpopular opinion is that "fierce" ruins a football helmet.

DP

Well go to a vikings game and you will see 10X as many vikings knockoffs. Although you are correct that many more people wear NFL jerseys, Think about the price difference, if you can get an authentic mlb jersey for $125 or pay $25 for a knockoff the common fan will be more likely to spend the extra $100 then spend an extra $225 on an authentic NFL jersey. So although the number of consumers is less then NFL and offers less of an incentive you also have to believe that price point is a large reason for less MLB knockoffs.

I was not trying to say that there are as many for MLB, just pointing out that it is a problem (for those who think it's a problem) there as well.

This is what it all comes down to, is the consumer willing to pay the price for authentics.

MLB authentics can be as cheap as $125 on MLB shop these jerseys are the most reasonable by far and that is why there arent as many MLB knockoffs, NFL jerseys are rediculously priced and thus there are an abundance of fakes.

Every time I go to a Twins game, I see TONS of knock-offs. The wordmarks are huge and the number font is way off...but most fans don't really notice.

I am not willing to pay the costs of an over-priced jersey. So I just walk into stores and steal 'em.