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  1. "You can't delete us, we had the bash brothers once! We matter!" No. Nobody cares. Chop chop. I think we outnumber the actual Rays fans here. (as if that's a high bar to clear) Absolutely seething. Go play banjo on the porch for a while. Ask the empty stadium. Also how can your stadium have sewage problems when nobody's there to use your toilets? Are those feral cats potty-trained?
  2. No it doesn't, no they don't. Every single post of yours makes me want to keep regurgitating the "nobody cares" bit. Are people are getting slimed with raw sewage between innings like some Nickelodeon show gone wrong? It's a baseball game. Visiting fans of popular teams don't seem to have a problem coming out. Go ask people from New England about the fan experience at Fenway before current ownership bought the team. They very nearly moved to Tampa (and would be in the same hell the Rays are in right now) until they were saved at the 11th hour. The Giants moving would have been unfortunate historically and probably worth going the extra mile for (which may have happened anyway), but the A's are a lifelong jobber franchise with no significant ties or rivals. They are not the same. Also, the fact that Giants games used to be empty when the A's were doing well, but now the Giants are a yearly sellout while the A's play to tumbleweeds, kinda supports the notion that Northern California isn't a two-team baseball region, huh?
  3. And we are once again back to the sad fact that nobody cares. This team doesn't play their home games in Mongolia. If anybody cared (and they have reason to, since like the Rays, Oakland consistently comes up with good players despite being broke and never goes very long between playoff appearances), they wouldn't be drawing Marlins-tier crowds at the ballpark. What is it with this forum and conflating a team's on-field success with the notion that they must be popular and relevant in their market?
  4. Disrupt the balance of what? The Giants sell out the park for eternity while the A's have been buried and forgotten for over two decades, so clearly Northern California is not a strong two-team region. The Dodgers, Angels, and Padres are apparently all relevant and competitive enough in their environment to buy up all of free agency between them every year. The A's in Vegas won't be siphoning any of those fans off. I see no problem. If only that dumbass 98 expansion never happened. The A's could have just bounced to Arizona by now and be doing their piddling hospitality house operation in the airplane hangar, and the Rays wouldn't exist in the first place.
  5. > their departure would upset the territorial balance in California the hell does that mean
  6. Just when I starting to get over those two Orlando losses.
  7. When Shaq was in his prime and motivated (basically 1999-2002) pretty much the only way you could hope to beat him was to get him in foul trouble and get him off the floor or at least make him think twice about attacking and throwing his body around, so guys like Divac and other stiffs started overselling contact to accomplish that goal. I don't know if that's the actual origin of NBA flopping, but it's when it started becoming noticeable. Eventually Shaq got old and fat, but flopping stayed because teams found that it was also just a great way to either get free throws or gain possession for your team. The 00's Spurs with Parker/Manu/Bowen were pretty bad about it, then every elite perimeter player, who knew that they would get calls just for being who they were, started acting like they got shot on every drive to the basket, and it's just gotten steadily worse over time.
  8. I :censored:ed a girl from Missouri last night. She had a C-section scar on her butt cheek. The area around RayJay is a dump, unless you like titty bars, car dealerships, and Hooters. It's fine for NFL/Sundays, but you don't want an every day team there. Noooooo we can't lose a team that's really good at winning 88 games a year with no money! Merge them with the Pirates or something, then. Put that scouting and front office brainpower somewhere it will be appreciated, instead of whatever pet motel's been running things in Pittsburgh for the last three decades. The Pirates have their single-A team and run spring training out of Bradenton anyway, which is just a bridge drive aw- oh never mind. Decent point, but Pac Bell itself is a scenic tourist attraction that can't exist anywhere around here, unless you have a weather machine to make the weather not miserable during the PM hours in July, August, and September.
  9. So these dead franchises that nobody outside of reddit follows or cares about are Actually Good ((c) admiral) because more wealthy southern kids named Tanner are getting boarded in pee-wee hockey. That's great. Great answer. EDIT: And those southern kids are indisputably influenced by the Coyotes and Panthers, and totally aren't being raised as fans of some out-of-market team, the laughable convenience of which I mentioned above
  10. I don't get why it's so important to have muh footprint in Arizona (or anywhere else where it's simply not working) in an era where the world is smaller than ever, streaming is ubiquitous, everyone has cut cable, and people can very easily follow out-of-market teams by getting Center Ice/League Pass/etc, downloading RSN apps, or just flat-out pirating the games. Not to bring the Rays across threads, but if I lived here 20 years ago I might have been a captive audience, and if I wanted to see major league baseball on a regular basis, I'm either watching a (Devil) Rays game on TV or going to a game. Maybe I become a convert, maybe not (probably not, since their best hitter was :censored:ing Julio Lugo). Now? I could just download the NESN app and larp like I'm still in New England, and just wait for the Sox to come through here if I want to go one of my team's games. The only reason for the Rays, Coyotes, and similar dunce cap franchises to keep on existing is to serve as hospitality houses for people like me. > but the children will become fans The children from all that sloppy 90s expansion are 25-30 years old now. Where are they?
  11. That there's no valid excuse for the Rays being poorly supported besides simple lack of interest, that building a new dome in Tampa will therefore accomplish nothing, and the team is therefore unviable here and should get chop-chopped along with the A's. I don't know, peninsula whose main connections to surrounding areas are bridges over water? That same setup is what makes St. Pete about as accessible as Turkmenistan, according to this entire thread. And If I ever traveled out that way I'd probably end up driving to Santa Rosa or something. You didn't know where you going, the people who live here do. I mean this is anecdotal and I can't disprove it, but I don't see it. It's a continuous highway from Tampa, across the water, into Pinellas, and down through St. Pete. 375 and 175 (both going downtown) are left exits and that'll throw people who aren't ready for them, but again, people who actually live in the area and know the lay of the land don't have that excuse. (Not that that stops a bunch of dumbasses from camping the left lane all the way down and then panicking and cutting everybody off at the last minute every single day but now we're back to the whole "breaking news, cities have traffic" thing and I'm rambling anyway.) "That far away from the city center", downtown St. Pete isn't a giant strip mall. I swear people think Tropicana Field is out on the beaches or something, which actually are a :censored: to get to.
  12. So for trips from UC Berkeley to Oracle (uh-oh, another bridge) and Hillsdale Shopping Center in San Mateo to Oracle ((about the same distance in mileage as that Tampa to St. Pete drive that apparently no sane person would make), Google Maps says about a 25-40 minute drive for each trip, while BART's trip planner puts them at an hour. All times set to arrive at 7pm. So unless I'm missing something here, I'm not satisfied with public transportation being the difference between a perpetually sold out stadium and an empty one. 1v1 me Can I get you a resistance band? You know, to help you stretch a little more? It's a baseball game, not a hockey game or a high-end brothel. Tickets are cheap.
  13. Oracle Park is stuck on an allegedly hard-to-access peninsula. The immediate population of San Francisco and Pinellas County is about the same. Why is one selling out the park for eternity while I can have an entire section to myself at the other?
  14. You're not mad at me, you're mad that you live in Missouri. And I forgive you. What?
  15. A: As a wise man once said, "one problem: nobody cares" (about the Rays, that is) B: Oracle Park is playing the world's largest violin.
  16. Yes I do live here, and no it does not take 30 minutes to get across the damn bridge, unless all the tires flew off somebody's car for no reason and shut down a lane. Once you get into Pinellas? Yeah, it gums up. Guess what, large metropolitan areas have traffic, and it tends to collect on freeways. Life's a :censored:. People can and do get to weeknight Boston sports games, with regularity, in droves, coming from bum:censored: New Hampshire and pillshacks in Worcester, in worse driving conditions. So I don't want to hear it. Rays fans and Coyotes fans are the only ones crying like pregnant teenagers at the prospect of a 40 minute drive and how unfair it is and how you're not allowed to judge them for not wanting to do it. At some point, you just can't be bothered to go to the games and are an apathetic fan base. Sorry. Also someone please tell me why putting the stadium in Tampa, and flip-flopping the traffic pattern and putting everyone in Pinellas County on the wrong side of that treacherous 40 minute drive across that really scary, crowded bridge that's apparently made of lava and used dildos, is the solution to the Rays' attendance problems. Oh wait, you can't.
  17. Because nobody - in pro sports or otherwise - has ever weaseled their way out of a lease before. 555comeonnow
  18. So they would have already relocated to a place where they weren't the 6th most popular major league baseball team in their own market, but building a stadium somewhere is like really hard and stuff. Awesome. They have to continue to exist, though!
  19. They've had 20+ years to scoot off to Orlando, Portland, Nashville, San Antonio, and every other winter sport roll call city. Why haven't they? Could it be because nobody cares and nobody wants them? (don't even try the "muh lease" argument)
  20. I'm rooting for A's/Rays contraction, because that would make many more heads explode and I still haven't heard a single valid reason as to why either of these glorified farm teams playing to empty stadiums should or will continue to exist in a league declining in popularity. Just BS like "muh player association" or "they can just move them to [NBA roll call city]!" even though both teams have had two decades to make such a move and haven't because nobody's interested. Or talking about that 10 minute freeway drive on 275 across Tampa Bay as if there's landmines in the pavement and they would totally fill the house if they were in Tampa so people wouldn't have to make that treacherous journey. Also lol lmao at Sacramento "missing out" on MLS. That's like me missing out on a Jayson Tatum themed bag of Ruffles. Who cares.
  21. Just piggyback the dunk contest and skills events on some other key date on the NBA calendar. Opening night, Christmas Day, draft day...
  22. The team moves into a Buffalo Wild Wings in Chandler, the Coyotes defense force lectures us on how this is just a temporary situation and a much better alternative to drawing 10,000 a night in Halifax or Moncton, Gary Bettman continues making BS PR statements while trembling like a pool chair during an earthquake, rinse/repeat until they run out of Phoenix-area warehouses. Unrelated, what the hell is this ad:
  23. Remind me again why the all-star game is even necessary at all? If this game did not already exist, and someone pitched the idea, it would be dismissed out of hand. Redditors and other terminally online poindexters screamed like pigs for the NL to adopt the DH because hurr durr muh dumb traditionerinos are le bad, yet this useless event continues to exist for no reason other than it's just something that the major leagues have been doing for a long time.
  24. NBC would obviously be an upgrade, since they've shown with both the NBA and the NHL that they actually know how to run those telecasts and make the games feel significant. Losing TNT (while keeping ESPN) would be a shame though. The dream scenario would be poaching Mike Breen as the lead guy for NBA on NBC and pairing him with someone more worthwhile than those two goofs he's been saddled with on ESPN for way too long, or :censored:ing Doris Burke.
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