Geoff

True, and it will likely change with Navy moving into a league with a CG when they go to the Big East.

Here's my rough prediction.

Clemson/Florida St to Big 12

Georgia Tech/Virginia to Big 10

Virginia Tech/NC State to SEC

Now, from an ACC standpoint, they're best option is to immediately add Cincinnati and UConn (both discussed before adding Louisville) and maybe South Florida just to finish off the relevancy of the Big East and to get membership up. Next get Navy and Army. Now you've set up a good chance at making Notre Dame happy and getting them to become a full member. And assuming, a big hypothetical, they do, they'd be fine at 14. Put ND and BC in a division (a traditional game for ND) so they play every year. Army-Navy in a division so they're big game becomes and annual ACC conference game (more money for the conference?). Make that the opposite division for ND and it allows them to keep Navy as a permanent cross-division rival (or put all 4 schools in the same division I guess). Then, with 4 non-Conf games available, 3 can be taken up by USC, Michigan and Michigan St.

The ACC's key to success isn't fending off the other conferences. It's making Notre Dame as happy as possible.

One big problem with that is that Army-Navy is always held after the conference championships. If they both joined the ACC, that game would have to come before the ACCCG due to a possible impact on who plays in the game.

Where are the other Great West Conference members going?

The WAC with the exception of NJIT and Houston Baptist. HBU is headed to the Southland.

The WAC should just take NJIT. NJIT needs a home, the WAC needs bodies.

...here's a hug from all of us to you...it's not you sir it's our fault for not conforming to your reality, we will all try harder next time.

So why wouldn't the big XII grab Louisville and Pitt also since the ACC seems to be going down to the depths of cusa that would give them 14 with FSU and clemson. Two more and you could do some quadrant scheduling the old WAC-ky way. Va tech and vir woul be nice also. Could really set up an east/west division based on geography wouldn't that be crazy

The depths of CUSA? Are you ripping on UofL/the ACC because UofL used to be in CUSA? Never mind the fact that they've since outgrown that league. Not bad for an athletic department that was in such disarray the CUSA almost kicked them out 15 years ago.

If you're going to base things off of conference teams used to be in, the majority of the ACC and SEC are lowly SoCon teams.

also is the sun belt going to replace fau and middle tennesse ? if so who do they get? more dominios to fall even at the lower ends....

Names I've heard are Georgia Southern and App State moving up to FBS. I think the Sun Belt might even look into reaching out to NM State and Idaho. Yes, it greatly increases travel but it gives the Sun Belt members already at the FBS level and gives NMSU and Idaho a conference home.

If you know it's not true, you're not under the impression. Logic fail.

Except the Dude has been floating expansion news/rumors for years now. This isn't just some butt-hurt move because WVU isn't in the ACC. WVU wanted SEC anyway.

The main person behind the UVa/GT to B16 is a sports blogger for a TV station in DC with 500 Twitter followers trying to stir up crap and get more readers and followers. So far it has worked a bit as he is up to about 640.

He hasn't mentioned it since except to defend his source. This is just funny:

@Mr_KevinJones

Source: Georiga Tech and UVA will announce decision to leave ACC by Monday. Will join Big 10

@DavidGlennShow

@Mr_KevinJones that's a big story to break spelling one of the schools wrong, homey. Hope for your sake you're right but I doubt it.

@Mr_KevinJones

@DavidGlennShow source too credible not to report it

If it has legs, he may have just broken it too early or he misunderstood his source. Could have been they're talking and he said they're joining.

I have a feeling Miami's self imposed bowl ban is going to save them a lot of trouble (the NCAA seems to get off on schools punishing themselves).

*sometimes. They sometimes go easier. And you seem to be forgetting that the NCAA has found evidence of Golden's staff using Shaprio's right hand man in a shady manner. This whole situation is murky as hell right now but either way FSU would likely prefer Clemson heading to the Big XII with them over Miami. Clemson has passed Miami for FSU's second rivalry and Miami just continues to fall back.

If I were the Big XII and I were going to take an ACC team that had orange in their colors, Miami would third on the list of three.

Recruiting standpoint: FSU gets you the SoFla market

TV stand point: FSU gets you the SoFla market

Miami has attendance issues even when they're not in the NCAA's cross hairs. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Well played, gentlemen, well played.

They did it sole to keep UCF-USF, UConn-Rutgers, and Louisville-Cinci together. They'll rework the divisions once Navy and #14 join.

That's why I think they go for a scheduling system that keeps permanent crossover opponents. Then they have the chance to have both.

UNC

Duke

Florida State

Miami

Unless Miami gets absolutely raped by the NCAA the ACC would still split up Miami and Florida State with hope of a Miami-FSU championship game. They'd then develop a schedule that keeps permanent cross over opponents.

What gets me about the WAC is even non-football schools have jumped ship. UT Arlington will only be a member for one year like their Texas brethren UTSA and Texas State.

And let me just say I've never been more excited for WAC basketball after seeing this:

I hated how things went for them when they dropped down. I'd like to see them back in the Sun Belt, but the only way they're getting back in is if the SBC loses some more teams. As of now, 10 football + 2 non-football is a pretty good setup.

How things went? You make it sound like unfortunate things happened to them. They were in the driver's seat the whole time.

They drove Katrina? Dicks.

Read you own post: "when they dropped down." Katrina was 7 years ago. They decided to drop down 2 years ago and actually did it last year. They botched the handling of the process in my opinion and Katrina had nothing to do with it.

I hated how things went for them when they dropped down. I'd like to see them back in the Sun Belt, but the only way they're getting back in is if the SBC loses some more teams. As of now, 10 football + 2 non-football is a pretty good setup.

How things went? You make it sound like unfortunate things happened to them. They were in the driver's seat the whole time.

I don't think it was the basketball arena but they did drop swimming and diving due to damage to the facility.

Helpful tip for everyone out there: Nothing as big as ND joining a conference would be quiet until it was announced. News would leak out and ESPN would be all over it with their usual "Notre Dame has a press conference tomorrow where they are expected to announce they have joined X Conference." Covering their ass with the "expected" tag yet still stealing the attention and glory for themselves.

Also has anyone kept up with U of New Orleans? Here's how it went down:

June 2010: We're not going to stay D1, we're going D3. Nevermind we're going D2 as an independent at first.

June 2011: Since we're D2, we'll be joining the Gulf South beginning the 2012-2013 school year. We'll have football by 2015.

March 7, 2012: JK we're staying D1.

August 21, 2012: K, for realsies we're joining the Southland.

FSU-Clemson is not a package. Would FSU like more eastern-based teams to lessen travel? Yes, but the Noles would just as easily be ok with Notre Dame coming in with them to complete the 12. Notre Dame would only consider moving their Olympic sports right now and most likely not moving football until the NBC contract ends after the 2015 season.

Saying the Big XII is not targeting FSU is smart on your part because you're both right and wrong (unofficially but not officially). Unless, of course, you fully believe they aren't.

If you actually believe that statement means the Big XII won't be expanding, you're an idiot. They haven't contacted FSU yet directly because they can't without it being tampering. I'm certain there has been indirect contact with at least FSU but nothing official like Big XII higher up to FSU higher up. There is an intermediary.

The PAC better not expand past 12! The conference needs to retain SOME sort of stability.

If they stay at 12 when the others go to 16, they're eroding the ground below them by standing still.

Makes sense. Isn't UTSA (Texas, San Antonio) pretty much joining the WAC after a few startup years in FCS? They play home games in the Alamodome.

If by "a few" you mean "one". This year should be pretty brutal for UTSA.

The MAC already has brought in UMass for next year. Replacing Temple's place in the East division. But does it really matter? the MAC is a joke

They brought in UMass because they hated being a 13 team league. I imagine they still hate the idea of a 13 team league.

I hate the argument that playoffs ruin the regular season. It's complete crap. Play well, get in the playoffs. It's that simple. There's a reason games are played and it's because you can't just go by who is better on paper. Boise State could never beat an SEC team. Oops. Oklahoma State won't lose to Iowa State. Oops. Michigan will never lose to a 1-AA/FCS school in the Big House.

Oops.