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If you cannot understand what's wrong with intellectual property theft then there's no hope for you, frankly.

Do the designers get residual payments for every jersey with their logo or design sold?

Or are they payed a one-time fee for their work?

Never buy a knock-off online... Make sure you can see what you're getting before you get it. Flea Markets are the best place to buy knock-offs, and the quality there is usually very, very good.

I believe it's much like Prohibition.. illegal to make and sell, not illegal to purchase and consume...

It's legal to buy a bootleg jersey. It's not legal to produce the jersey.

I'd rather pay for a $40 dollar jersey from Chang's Discount Booth at the Flea Market that has the same or better quality than what the official retailers are putting out there for $200+. Simple as that.

Is it ethically right? Perhaps not, but my wallet makes that decision.

That's all anyone's really asking here. If you understand the law, if you understand the concept of IP rights and you still decide to buy a counterfeit then that's your call.

Right. I couldn't care less if you buy the jersey or not, as long as you don't act like there's not only nothing wrong with it, but you're some kind of crusader against the big bad businesses who are destroying society by selling sports jerseys at a certain price point.

Not trying to act like a crusader... I just want a cheaper priced jersey i can fit into... I can't buy Legit jerseys anyways, cause they don't make them in my super fat & tall guy size. Casual Male is getting better at this, but they're VERY limited on NHL uniforms. So, i have to look elsewhere...

So what you're saying is that sports should only be for those who can afford it? Otherwise, you're excluded?

Welcome to the free-market economy. Glad to have you on board. This is why I go to Blackhawks games once or twice a year instead of having season tickets, and why my seats are in the 300 level instead of on the glass. This is why I drive a Dodge Stratus instead of a Bugatti Veyron. If there are things out there which you can't afford, you're always free to explore avenues which may lead you to acquire more wealth and personal property.

In the meantime, I'll just bask in the glow of the stupefying irony of you, of all people, calling for entitlements.

The point of that, Sodboy, was saying there ARE avenues for me to aquire sports jerseys. They are outside of the official retailers, but they are there to be had at a price cheaper than the competition. Now i wouldn't buy a knockoff that was as awful as some of the examples in this thread, but many knockoffs are quite good, as in the number fonts are correct, the nameplates are correct, even the NFL Equipment shield is correct. I'm not saying people should be entitles to get all the expensive things they want. No one has that right, and i'm not calling for entitlements. All i'm saying is that if there is a cheaper way to get the same product, don't bust my balls about it...

...and Pizzaman, i'm Unaffiliated...

So what you're saying is that sports should only be for those who can afford it? Otherwise, you're excluded?

Never said i was entitled to a jersey, that i HAVE to be provided with one. But if my poor-ass wants a jersey, i'm going with one i can afford, and that is of equal-to-better quality than the "authentics".

There is no reason to pay $160+ for a jersey just because you can buy it at Modells. Not only that, i'm a really tall, fat bastard. The "Authentics" don't come in my size. My Chinese sweat-shoppers care about the fat, over-fed American sports fan in a way Reebok does not...

I'd rather pay for a $40 dollar jersey from Chang's Discount Booth at the Flea Market that has the same or better quality than what the official retailers are putting out there for $200+. Simple as that.

Is it ethically right? Perhaps not, but my wallet makes that decision.

I'd like a Giants jersey. I can spend an ridiculous amount on one that is ill-fitting and looks like ƨhiŧ, or i can spend 4 times less, and get a jersey that fits pretty well and looks better?

You're out your damn mind if you think i'm going to buy the "Official" jersey to help the awful system of charging people high prices for crap merchandise stay afloat. When the big 4 leagues & their uniform manufacturers start putting out a product worth $200+, i'll pay that price for it. Until then? Reebrok it is.

Want to throw me in jail for that? Throw the cuffs on, you self-rightious, ivory tower assh*les...

why cant people just buy from real retailers?

Because we can't afford the "real" thing...

Preacher is just a douche. Trying to reason with a douche is futile.

I really like those Saints banners....

Block/Penguins number font hybrid, and a very large pseudo-Leafs font nameplate.

Very awful.

I hate the Rangers Liberty Head logo. I think the regular blues and whites are some of the best jerseys in sports, and the Liberty Head is a cheap, late-90's money grab that does not look good and takes away from the team's overall aesthetics.

The RHI needs to make a comeback.

yes. i miss the vancouver voodoo

This.

i love gray facemasks.

ltjets21: Master of Sarcasm

The PAC-10 seems to have open arms, barking "Come one, come all"...

b-b-b-b-but the Lofty Academic Standards

...aren't as important as crushing the Big XII. Who would have guessed? making an assload of money.

Big Ten's not gonna get Texas. Texas is gonna tell the Big Ten that they're bringing all their Texas buddies, and the Big Ten will simply say "Screw You", and grab Notre Dame...

The PAC-10 seems to have open arms, barking "Come one, come all"...

The SEC should stay the same, The Big 10 adds Nebraska,Notre Dame, Rutgers, Pitt and Mizzou. The Pac 10 adds the Big 12 South.

Mountain West adds Boise St, Kansas, and Nevada. Kansas St to Big East. Iowa St and Baylor go to C-USA.

Ideally there are 120 FBS schools, so there should be 10 12 team conferences, but for some reason it never does.

The SEC isn't gonna stand by and be left in the dust, and The Big East is adding no one, as they'll be dead.

You will have the three super-conferences (Maybe 4, depending on how badly the ACC gets ripped to shreds by the SEC) that will have their playoff and be the center of the college football universe, and everyone else will just be around, playing bowl games that no one will care about anymore...

When does this come into effect, Right Away?

All of this will take effect in 2012...

College football is about to be ruined.

How so?

The most logical option would be that the Mountain West adds those 4 plus Boise State to hit 14 teams and becom the de facto replacement in the BCS for the Big XII

I don't think the BCS will be around after all of this goes down...

I wonder where Baylor, ISU, Kansas, and Kansas State would do next if that happens?

Second-tier programs.

I think we're looking at a situation where, if you're not in a Super Conference, you're gonna be fuuuuuuu*ked...

Jim Delany and the PAC-10 opposed playoffs for this very scenario. To make schools that needed money to begin to look elsewhere for a place to get it.

Once the dust settles from this, there is nothing to lose from the playoffs. The playoffs could earn up to $780 million. This whole thing was basically a scheme hatched to consolidate schools, make super-conferences to have huge money-making machines for all the schools involved, and then further the money-making venture by finally implementing playoffs.

It's a genius move...

I think what you'll see out of this is what people have wanted all along: Playoffs.

Chip Brown from orangebloods.com stated on Sportscenter that the Texas brass gathered it's coaches and said that they did everything they could to try and save the Big XII, but were unsuccessful.

Chip also said that from what he is hearing, like the member Blaze stated, Texas will not be leaving the Big XII all alone. Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado will be joining them in the PAC-10.

What does this mean? For one thing, this all but assures that Notre Dame will be joining the Big Ten. They have to, just for survival. Notre Dame has prided itself as be an independent, but even the Irish are not blind to the future. If they are left out of this massive shift in the college football landscape, they will never be a top-tier program again. The only way for Notre Dame to survive as they wish to survive, as a big-name college football program, is to join a super-conference.

This also means that any team not plucked from the dying conferences will be relegated to second-tier status, and never have an opportunity to vie for a national championship (or receive anything close to "big-time" money). The Big Ten will not stop at Nebraska and Notre Dame, especially if the PAC-10 does take 6 new schools. This will also force the SEC's hand as far as expansion, and they will most likely raid the ACC.

What we're looking at in college football is three Super-Conferences that will dominate the landscape, and the leftovers from the world before the cosmic shift, the ghosts of college football past.