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22 hours ago, Ice_Cap said:

Anyway my first thought upon hearing this Montreal/Tampa news (well second thought, my first thought was laughter) was “negotiating tactic.” 

Mine was "is this the OITGDNHL thread because this sounds like something they'd do."

Baseball teams that for whatever reason have to have their cap logo as a sleeve patch.  The most egregious ones are the Dodgers and the White Sox road.  The addition of and change to those lessened the look for me.  Also included are the Padres, Giants, Angels, etc.  

I'll also add teams that have their city name on the home uniform (Rangers and Marlins.) I would prefer to see "Rangers" and "Marlins" instead of "Texas" and "Miami" when those teams are home.  Looks minor league to me.

I take it these ugly uniforms are meant to distract from the River Cats' crappy play on the field this season...

14 minutes ago, Still MIGHTY said:

 

It's Southern California. Parking is literally the last thing we would sacrifice. Especially for another goddamned mall. (Which... would need parking.)

There's also a mall less than a mile away.  While we can debate its quality it's still there.

Or it becomes what jobing.com arena should have...a parking lot. 

12 hours ago, the admiral said:

Phoenix gave the Suns a bunch of money to renovate their arena yet again, which means no new arena, which means no Suns/Coyotes collaboration. And because this was a city council meeting in Arizona, it featured a resident arguing against the payment, citing the time he literally shot an alderman in protest of Chase Field.

Not only that, the former county commissioner said resident shot spoke at the meeting and was in the room at the same time her assailant spoke.  She argued pro-payment. 

I too was in the room when this went down.  It was creepy.

3 hours ago, the admiral said:

The Devils and Kings, in the #1 and #2 media markets, no longer have free, over-the-air radio broadcasts at all. Streaming only. That's pretty sad.

Is it any less sad than being on a college radio station?  

3 hours ago, LMU said:

The hotel was torpedoed when Tait and Co. yanked the tax incentives.  For Disney, that almost became a blessing since there's an $18/hour minimum wage proposition on the ballot next month for businesses that receive city subsidies.  So, ax the hotel, don't take the tax break, and thus don't give the ballot measure backers something to campaign on.

Were the tax incentives yanked in response to the ballot measure or did Disney decide to cancel the hotel and 86 the receiving the tax incentives in response?  I thought I read it as the later.  Either way, I think it's just a negotiating ploy on the part of the Angels and I don't see them leaving.

Hey, if it doesn't work out I'm sure Angels Stadium could be imploded for a new Disney parking lot.  It'd be the modern jobing.com arena thread.  

On 5/22/2018 at 6:47 PM, johnnysama said:

The wrongest of all wrong uniforms: Wendel Clark in the "Fisherman" New York Islanders set.

I see your Wendel Clark in the fishsticks jersey and raise you Kirk Muller in same.

35 minutes ago, Waffles said:

 

I'd only been following this from the Brooklyn side so I didn't know about his back history with the fans from even before the move. It's hard to blame them for being leery of him after that.

 

I'm still split on whether a perfect union of the Islanders and Brooklyn was ever possible even if some of the decisions had been handled differently. Certainly they messed things up, but it's hard to envision a realistic scenario where it's 2018 and Islanders fans feel at home and Brooklynites are at least beginning to identify with them.

To a degree I think someone should make a 30 for 30 on the past twenty-five years of Islanders ineptitude...I mean history.  I think it would put a lot of what is going on currently into context.

I tend to agree with you as to your last sentence but I do believe that had things been handled better from Yormark and previous ownership, and a lesser extent the existing fan base, that we would be closer to Isles fans feeling at home and Brooklynites beginning to identify with them.  Not completely integrated so to speak as I think that would take a generation or so, but much farther ahead than we are.

2 hours ago, Waffles said:

 

I agree that a portion of the blame should fall on him, and I wish I'd touched on that in my post, as well has the way he phrased his comments to make it seem like it all just passively happened. I'm not sure how much of it was a fundamentally untenable situation with no good solutions, or how much of it was about the strategy he oversaw and executed, but he does need to own it, if for no other reason than that's what people with power/responsibility should do when things go bad.

 

I don't know if pushing Brooklyn harder would've been a more successful strategy for them, and I don't know what it would have even entailed. Who knows if anything would have truly alienated a significant number of Long Island fans, or if they'd eventually get used to and go along with it because it was better than Quebec/Kansas Cities. It takes a long time to build a new fanbase anyway, even if they weren't going up against the the Rangers' generational equity. And very significant portion of the Barclays is not a good place to watch hockey, and that also has to come into play.

 

I also agree about his snark toward the new arena, which gratuitously unconstructive and and unnecessary.

I think the majority of the blame falls on Yormark, and to a lesser extent Charles Wang.  Yormark made a number of miscalculations whether they were intentional, out of ignorance, out of sheer arrogance, or some combination of the three.  In the season before the move the Isles played a very emotional playoff series against Washington which did a lot to energize the fan base.  Instead of seizing the momentum, Yormark decided initially that he wanted to gut the house and start everything new which wasn't going to fly with an existing fan base who, while small is incredibly vocal unlike what I've seen from the Nets side .

When the vocal fan base resisted Yormark's strategy he decided that instead of diplomacy he would attack the LI based fans in the media and on social media at every chance he got and only acquiesced when ownership intervened.  He decided to go scorched earth on us when at the very least he should have recognized that although unhappy with the move enough of us would migrate over to Barclay's to give him a base to work with.  I do feel that had Yormark made more of an effort to be diplomatic he would have faced less resistance from existing fans and would have had an easier time making some changes to better incorporate Brooklyn.  I went to one of the first home games at Barclay's and it felt like we were a rent a team in someone else's house.  There was no Islander imagery anywhere in the arena, the Team Store had no Islanders branding, the only brand exhibited in the building was Nets.  

Scheduling also proved an issue because the Islanders have had very few Friday or Saturday home games in Brooklyn since they get whatever's left after concerts and the Nets.  Having more Friday and Saturday games would have helped fill the building with the existing fans because it's easier to go to the city on a weekend than during the week which would be supplemented with the Brooklyn crowd.  Had Yormark properly marketed to both Brooklyn and Long Island simultaneously I think there would have been better success in both maintaining and building fans.  Instead he appeared to try and build one while being openly hostile to the other.

Ownership is also to blame here because nothing markets better than winning especially when it comes to a new building.  Coming off of the highly emotional playoff series loss to Washington Wang and Snow did absolutely nothing to improve the roster and the team appears to be on their way to missing the playoffs for the second year in a row.  I do think that a strong perennial cup contender on the ice would have had a positive impact on attendance which in turn would have helped with better scheduling.  However, ineptitude in the front office and an unwillingness to improve the on ice product do not and have not helped any marketing efforts.  You can have the best marketing team and campaign ever but if the team isn't winning on the ice...  

That said from my perspective I'd rather have the Islanders in Brooklyn than Seattle so I accepted the move.  The building has issues beyond the obstructed view seats which make it bad for hockey, namely the ice plant is so bad that they have to make the building unbearably cold to the point of being uncomfortable for spectators.  I'd rather see the Isles play at MSG or Prudential Center over Barclay's. I'm looking forward to the move to Belmont.

And by the way their "MTA" developed goal horn was terrible.  He would have had better luck just honking the horn of the rinkside SUV.  As for Brett, he can go efff himself much in the same way he told us to do a couple years back. 

Found the one episode on youtube.  I can see why the cancelled it.  Nicest thing I can say about it is was nice to see Dave Mustaine (nice Metallica reference by SVP) on tv for one half hour.

6 hours ago, twi said:

Gotta be keeping up with the Jones’s. Had this discussion with my father the the home opener, how are these things practical? It is admittedly nice to see replays in such magnification and definition but necessary it’s not. And the one here in Tampa isn’t even close to the biggest anymore. To be quite honest it’s a little unsettling being beneath it if you’re on the ice surface! 

A jumbotron that big would be perfect for Barclay's Center and their obstructed view seats.  Almost like you were really at the game.

I'd have thought the pinnacle of bad business decision All Star Games would be the Isles hosting at Barclay's.

On 2/24/2017 at 0:38 PM, McCarthy said:

Islanders arena stuff: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/rangers-owner-investing-in-new-islanders-arena-at-belmont-park-192235394.html

 

Belmont Park, Queens location. 

I'm good with them building at Belmont as it would bring the Isles back to Nassau County, though the Flushing location is honestly better.

So the moral of the story then is that the Arizona Legislature is somewhat smarter than the Glendale City Council?

22 hours ago, RyanMcD29 said:

Granted you've got to take anything Mangano says with a grain of salt... as per Newsday Islanders discussed possible Coliseum return, Mangano says

Mangano needs to resign before he takes his "Club Fed" vacation like Jimmy Burke did.  Anything he says at this point is a non-factor.

7 hours ago, the admiral said:

 

This sounds right to me. I think Belmont Park is the better bet in terms of playing where your fans are, but my guess is that with the price the new owners paid for the Islanders, they want to be within city limits, and Queens/Flushing/Willets/whatever is the best compromise between city and suburbs.

If for no other reason Belmont is better because the land is state owned and not subject to having to deal with either Nassau County or the Town of Hempstead.  However, Queens would be better for both highway and public transit access but you have to deal with a potentially hostile NYC bureaucracy.  Kind of a catch 22.  I see what you're saying and I agree that the new owners want to be in the city.  All things being equal the Shea Stadium parking lot is where I'd build.  However because they're not and there might be a time crunch Belmont might be the path of least resistance and just across the Cross Island from the city proper. 

1 hour ago, cmm said:

Plus Gary Bettman is a Half Hollow Hills graduate. He will put up a bigger fight for his hometown team than he did for, say, Atlanta, if it comes down to that.

IIRC he was/is an Islander fan.  Whether that has any bearing on things who knows but I'd have to think with how he defended Phoenix/Glendale he'd do the same for the Isles.

So then does this mean that the turning Gila Bend Arena into a parking lot project is a go? 

I'll see your Wendell Clark and raise you Kirk Muller.

5 hours ago, Cujo said:

Verne Lundquist leaving CBS following 2016. 

Can't happen soon enough for me.  

7 hours ago, AstroBull21 said:

I hope the plan with the Barracuda was only temporary in San Jose as they may be waiting for the new arenas in Sacramento (this fall) or San Fran (2018 I think) to open, or the Warriors Oakland arena to open up to availability.

The arena in Sacramento is not built to hold hockey so games there would be like Islander games at Barclay's.  I highly doubt the Barracuda would be coming up here.

1 hour ago, Sodboy13 said:

Brett Yormark wants you to know that, actually, the layout at Barclays is just fine and doesn't need to change, because you can just watch the game on the scoreboard or your phone after laying out $85 for a ticket.

 

http://www.lighthousehockey.com/2016/2/3/9885146/islanders-brett-yormark-no-changes-barclays-center-seats-all-star-game

Whenever you think Yormark couldn't say anything more dumb he finds a way to stick his foot in his mouth again.  Hey Brett how does it feel to be public enemy number 1 for damn near the entire Islanders fan base?  However, the best part of the Barclay's experience is the free case of hypothermia you'll get while watching the game.  They supposedly have to keep the interior temperature lower than in any of the twenty other NHL buildings I've seen a game in because they have major issues with the ice.

If Brett took a flying leap off the Brooklyn Bridge I don't think anyone would be too upset.

Since the horn was in conjunction with the MTA it would have suffered equipment failure eventually and been taken out of service. Better now then later.

Yormark's interview on ESPN 98.7 mae me want to rip his throat out through the live stream. He continues to show he doesn't understand how to deal with the existing Islanders fan base. Just because he was able to market the Nets the way he did does not mean he could do so with the Islanders.

and the attorney for Kane's accuser withdraws from the case. This whole thing is just getting stranger and stranger.

Something about this stuff being placed in a crappy paper bag seems really weird to me.

I've read evidence from crime scenes is put in paper bags, not plastic/sandwich bags like they do on TV and movies. So it might not be as weird as it seems.

I could be wrong about the evidence though.

Nope, paper bags are the norm.