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I bet Pitt, Cuse and UConn win up in the ACC, with maybe West Virginia or Rutgera too. The one of those two that don't will probably go to the Big Ten. Unless Texas goes ACC then both UWV and Rutgers go Big Ten.

Texas has become one of the highest money-making entities in College Football. Though you can say the same about the players at Miami, Nevin Shapiro just doesn't pull the same weight as Bevo does.

Certainly adds to the "Texas to the ACC" talk. Or the ACC is anticipating an SEC raid.

So when will the Big Ten get involved again?

Supposedly, the ACC has no problem with Texas keeping the Longhorn Network, unlike the Pac-12 and SEC do. And, Texas would still be a big fish in the ACC.

That's because with Florida State and Va Tech as their only real possible threat, they'd dominate the ACC.

Isn't that what people said about Miami joining the ACC in 2005?

The U isn't at the level Texas is.

Certainly adds to the "Texas to the ACC" talk. Or the ACC is anticipating an SEC raid.

So when will the Big Ten get involved again?

Supposedly, the ACC has no problem with Texas keeping the Longhorn Network, unlike the Pac-12 and SEC do. And, Texas would still be a big fish in the ACC.

That's because with Florida State and Va Tech as their only real possible threat, they'd dominate the ACC.

Here's my take on what I think what will happen that I posted in the concepts a while back.

As expected the Big 12 folds. Also, the Big East unexpectedly disappears. The rest of the conferences pan out like so: (links in conference names)

Big Ten - As soon as the Big East becomes no more, the B1G brings in Pitt quickly. They bring in Kansas because of their strong basketball program and Missouri follows. After the new teams join, Notre Dame finally agrees to make the move. The conference championship game is in Detroit, MI

SEC - When the Big 12 starts to crumble, the SEC is quick to grab Texas A&M and Baylor. Clemson and Florida State follow from the ACC. Championship game in Atlanta, GA

PAC-16 - The PAC-12 would soon also feed off of the fallen Big 12 as they expand east and grab Texas Tech and Kansas State. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State soon follow. The new conference is called PAC-16. Championship game in Los Angeles, CA

ACC - Once Florida State and Clemson leave for the SEC, the ACC takes Connecticut and West Virgina. Later on they eat up most of the Big East taking South Florida, Rutgers, Syracuse, Cincinnati. This leaves the Big East left in the dark. Championship game in New York, NY

Mountain West - Boise and TCU are unable to find a willing conference since they have weak basketball programs. The Mountain West wants to merge with the WAC. That gets turned down, but the WAC programs like the idea. They all join except for Louisiana Tech. UTEP joins as well. The WAC folds. Championship game in Denver, CO.

MAC - Not much going on here. They only extend an offer to Marshall and they accept. Championship game in Cleveland, OH

C-USA - With Marshall and UTEP gone, the C-USA is looking for new members. With their conferences gone, Iowa State and Louisville are left in the dust. No one comes knocking, so they join the C-USA. Championship game in New Orleans, LA

Sun Belt - With the WAC gone, the Sun Belt Conference nabs Louisiana Tech. Championship game in Jacksonville, FL

Texas decides to go independent joining Army, Navy and BYU.

Some quick notes:

Kansas and K-State, not seperating. KU needs K-State for a legitimate football draw. Them being paired with KSU is really the only way they'd stay in a power conference, except attaching to Mizzou.

SEC would only take Baylor to get aTM, and I'm sure they'll find a way around that. Baylor would probably end up as a last entry into one of the lesser power conferences, not the best one. More than likely they'd end up in Conference USA.

TCU is already going to the Big East, so how would the Mountain West folding cause them to be without a conference?

My analysis for those who want some assistant in comparing the Rivals guys:

Subtractions

- All guys want Vandy, Duke, Wake, Baylor, and Iowa State bumped.

- 3 out of 5 save all 9 Big East teams. David & Mike both boot Cincy and Uconn. David throws in Rutgers.

- 3 out of 5 knock out Washington State

- David kicks out Indiana

- Olin drops Kansas, while Tom drops K-State

Additions

- All guys agree to add at minimum Boise, BYU, and the Irish.

- David and Mike throw in Houston and UCF. David also adds in SMU

SMU? No. TCU is fine as the lone Dallas-FtW market rep. If you're going to include one of either KU or K-State, when it comes to football, you keep K-State. KU has fleeting success once every 10 years or so. KSU's been down for a little while and slowly climbing back, but they've had the success in the past. Btw, I'm a Mizzou fan, hate both Kansas schools, but I'm being objective here. Baylor seems to be the redheaded stepchild of the Big XII, and apparently all of College football. And they're usually one of the first ones I'd leave out. But they're sometimes competitive and I'm sure there are some other teams left in that are worse, so I don't know. I've been cooking up some SuperConference ideas that I need to refine and then I may post them.

So it is officially official that there is going to be a College Football Realignment Avalanche in the next 6 months?

Officially? No. Probably? Probably.

Why don't they just admit them as an athletic member and not an academic member, then? This is not, nor was it ever, about academics. It's about grey-market pro football.

As long as this level of athletics is associated with universities and colleges, academics will play a factor in conference makeup.

That and if you're a full athletic member, then you're a full academic member. Their is no "academic conference". Its the overall "academic reputation" of the member schools that are the determinating factors. Wrestling is small enough that having them as a member does not really effect their academic reputation. Bringing them in for a sport like football would.

I think we can all agree that academically, Boise State isn't the greatest school in the world. But with the stadium expansion on the way, a growing fanbase, the fact that Idaho is one of the top 5 fastest-growing states in the US and the fact that the Boise metro area is one of the top 10 fastest-growing metro areas in the country, who's to say the Big 12 won't decide to look past the academics for now and reach out to BSU if the Oklahoma schools, Texas, and Texas Tech leave? If it works, there's a lot of profit potential, and it could save the Big 12. As it is, the Big 12 is worse academically overall than the PAC-12 - only five AAU schools to the PAC's eight. Granted, unless the Big 12 gets really desperate, an AQ conference invite is a pipe dream at best.

And who's to say Boise State would accept an invitation to a 5 team conference with Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Baylor, and Missouri. If Texas, TT, Oklahoma and Ok State leave the conference, there won't be any Big XII left to save.

An AQ bid is an AQ bid.

Read up a couple. The NCAA would probably not accept a 6 team conference or at least allow them to maintain an AQ bid.

If the Big 12 admits Boise State it's a sign they're going down the same path as the WAC and C-USA, in which all the real power schools have moved on and they're hanging in by bringing in the in between mid major and major schools. C-USA used to have likes of Cincinnati and Louisville. Now Memphis is their premier school and not much else. And the WAC went even worse.

Larry Scott said he'd prefer the Big XII doesn't dissolve or the PAC remain at 12. He's playing PR. He said it was his preference, not what would happen. He was at a PAC 12 team vs a Big XII. How would it look if he said yeah we're looking to poach a few of their teams. He used non-committal wording, one way or the other.

To quote myself:

LAND OF THE MEGA CONFERENCES

SEC

East

Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

West

Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M

PAC-16

North

California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Washington State

South

Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech, Utah

ACC

Atlantic

Boston College, Connecticut, Louisville, Maryland, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, West Virginia

Coastal

Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

BIG 16

Legends

Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Michigan, Michigan State, Nebraska, Notre Dame

Leaders

Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Northwestern, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Wisconsin

At the moment, that would probably be my guest as well for super conferences forming. The Oklahoma and Texas schools are more likely to head to the PAC than the SEC. It would also make sense for the Big East and ACC to just merge for football at least, although that would include their oddball geography like The Midwestern members... and TCU, who I don't see on your list.

But then there's this tweet.

Big 12 source tells Tulsa World: "Missouri rumor is false...so far there is no real sign of (Mizzou) leaving." #big12 #sec

The Big XII has said that if only Texas A&M leaves they could go on with 9 but will definitely be looking for expansion. There's also talk of the Texas legislature pulling strings and getting another current Texas non-AQ school into an AQ conference. It won't be TCU, mpst likely SMU or Houston since no other team is currently anywhere near strong enough (I'm looking at you UTSA, TSU, UNT, and UTEP). They'd gain another in-state AQ school, Texas A&M doesn't have to deal with Texas' in conference, everybody wins.

Mizzou is downplaying talks because of last year where it looked like they were going to the Big Ten only to then have them come out and say that they never offered Mizzou an invite.

I wouldn't go by what an OU writer from Tulsa says about Mizzou.

Ok. All hell seems to have broken loose. I had heard in the last hour that aTm and Mizzou were the only 2 additions to SEC and now Big 12 presidents and ADs are meeting so I have no clue anymore.

What people are ignoring is the Texas effect. For a long time, I thought Texas and A&M were a package deal. You don't get one without the other. When the Big 10 was talking of expansion, they kept saying Texas, Texas, Texas. Everyone just brushed it off. Its really an interesting dynamic.

Texas and A&M are not a package deal. Last year when they were all being included in PAC 10 talks, aTm actually started talking with the SEC because they didn't want to be some tag along to Texas, wanted to be counted as themselves, which is why this is not surprising. They've wanted to separate themselves from Texas.

All I can say is if Mizzou goes to the SEC, southwest Missouri is going to erupt in college sports chaos.

Oh, dear!

What? I didn't say anybody outside was going to care.

All I can say is if Mizzou goes to the SEC, southwest Missouri is going to erupt in college sports chaos. To date, since Arkansas and Mizzou don't really play each other, it just looks like two schools sharing one region. But there will be some serious dividing going on if they're playing every season as conference foes. At least they would have a hood rivalry to make up for the loss of the KU conference rivalry. Which, btw, will probably still be maintained as interconference. The football game wouldl take the place of the Muzzou-Illinois game which as ceased. And the basketball game would probably move to an annual thing at the Sprint Center in KC.

Has long as Carlton Banks can keep Mizzou competitive, Mizzou will do pretty well in basketball. Other than UK and Florida, there's really no other dominant bball team. Football is gonna tough though, but should be exciting.

Doug Gotlieb reported a source confirmed aTm is joining SEC and that Mizzou, Clemson and Florida State likely to join. Breaking news on bottom line and I'm on my iPhone so I can't link but just check out espn.com.

What part of "the only thing that these conferences are interested in is money" don't you get? The only major media market Kansas has to offer is maybe Kansas City. Mizzou offers KC and StL. There's no point in adding either of those schools. Nebraska convinced the B1G they gave them the Kansas City market, and Illinois already gives them the St. Louis market. The Des Moines "market" is there with Iowa, and K-State has the same problems as Kansas. You don't grasp why they want to expand.

Nebraska is not the KC market. Kansas and Mizzou are. And Mizzou has a bigger piece of the St. Louis pie than Illinois. And besides, not everything comes down to what market they are. This isn't professional sports. Some of these schools are simply big money makers based on their own athletic teams. Kansas is one of the biggest basketball draws (as much as it pains me to say that), but football is not. They're not gonna go after them directly, but they'd be a decent "attachment school" if they went after Mizzou. Speaking of which, is becoming a steady football program that could become a Top 25 fixture. I still think, and would hope, that Mizzou winds up in the SEC if the Big XII does in fact dissolve.

The whole reason that Nebraska was admitted to the Big Ten instead of the Tigers last year was that the Huskers convinced the Big Ten that they had enough alums in Kansas City to cover the town and to get BTN into those households. If that's what the Big Ten wanted, then they got what they wanted, their product on in more households.

That's not what it was. Nebraska has alums all over the midwest, not just KC. They could've claimed any market over the other. It had nothing to do with simply the KC market as you seem to believe. Nebraska is a traditionally money making football college, plain and simple. Not because of a TV market 200 miles away in another state that's primarily a tv market for two other schools.

What part of "the only thing that these conferences are interested in is money" don't you get? The only major media market Kansas has to offer is maybe Kansas City. Mizzou offers KC and StL. There's no point in adding either of those schools. Nebraska convinced the B1G they gave them the Kansas City market, and Illinois already gives them the St. Louis market. The Des Moines "market" is there with Iowa, and K-State has the same problems as Kansas. You don't grasp why they want to expand.

Nebraska is not the KC market. Kansas and Mizzou are. And Mizzou has a bigger piece of the St. Louis pie than Illinois. And besides, not everything comes down to what market they are. This isn't professional sports. Some of these schools are simply big money makers based on their own athletic teams. Kansas is one of the biggest basketball draws (as much as it pains me to say that), but football is not. They're not gonna go after them directly, but they'd be a decent "attachment school" if they went after Mizzou. Speaking of which, is becoming a steady football program that could become a Top 25 fixture. I still think, and would hope, that Mizzou winds up in the SEC if the Big XII does in fact dissolve.

Well it looks like this is happening. TAMU has moved up their board of regents meeting to discuss conference affiliation and ESPN is reporting to expect a press conference shortly afterwards. Also the quotes from the Big 12 people sounds like A&M is leaving.

Oh boy... Looks like the Big 12 is going to be dead in the water now. Who would of thought that Texas A&M would be the one that gives it the potential death knell?

Big 12 is not dead unless the Oklahoma schools bolt (they are likely a package deal where if they leave they have to leave together). The Big 12 can probably still exist as the Texas, Oklahoma + 8 other conference. Mainly because the 8 others don't have anywhere to go and deal with Texas having the power. So if A&M leaves they'll operate at 9 or call up Houston fill a spot and be a doormat for Texas.

Naw the uncertainty surrounding the potential of more departures is gonna be too great. Most of the schools are probably going to start to reach out to the other major conferences for membership so that they can find some security and not be left on the backburner with nowhere to go but the MWC.

They may be able to survive with the remaining schools, but I don't think any of them are gonna want to wait around and try and find out.

That is why I said unless the Oklahoma schools leave qualifier.

May not make a difference. Who knows. Conference is back on shaky ground again.

Well it looks like this is happening. TAMU has moved up their board of regents meeting to discuss conference affiliation and ESPN is reporting to expect a press conference shortly afterwards. Also the quotes from the Big 12 people sounds like A&M is leaving.

Oh boy... Looks like the Big 12 is going to be dead in the water now. Who would of thought that Texas A&M would be the one that gives it the potential death knell?

Big 12 is not dead unless the Oklahoma schools bolt (they are likely a package deal where if they leave they have to leave together). The Big 12 can probably still exist as the Texas, Oklahoma + 8 other conference. Mainly because the 8 others don't have anywhere to go and deal with Texas having the power. So if A&M leaves they'll operate at 9 or call up Houston fill a spot and be a doormat for Texas.

Naw the uncertainty surrounding the potential of more departures is gonna be too great. Most of the schools are probably going to start to reach out to the other major conferences for membership so that they can find some security and not be left on the backburner with nowhere to go but the MWC.

They may be able to survive with the remaining schools, but I don't think any of them are gonna want to wait around and try and find out.

Plus, UNR is actually harder to get into than WSU and the students who apply to UNR. The average SAT and ACT scores are also higher for UNR students.

If this is true, why do WSU freshman have a higher average high school GPA (3.42 compared to 3.35), and why did WSU admit a lower percentage of students than UNR? Let's see, is it easier to get into a school that admits 76% of its applicants, or 88% of its applicants?

And according to Collegedata.com, WSU's average SAT score were higher (1770 for WSU, 1750 for UNR, based on upper range of average scores).

Weird.

If you want facts, go to collegedata.com

Quit making up :censored:ty statistics. You're making yourself look retarded, and I look retarded arguing with a retard like you.

Let's just leave it alone since he has a "talent" in BS.

Not to mention he's not even old enough to go to college yet. Just ignore him.

Couldn't they get more out of the deal by reaching the Baltimore-Washington, Houston, and Dallas markets?

And outside of Maryland, which schools in those markets are "SEC-ready" in terms of talent and possibly finances?

SMU?

North Texas?

Houston? (They are a commuter school)

Navy?

The Big East has already extended a standing invitation. I'd say feelings aren't too hurt.

The same AD and President who moved BC to the ACC as still in their jobs.

Maryland and/or Virginia tech would give them access to the Baltimore/Washington media market, and aTm would give them access to the Texan markets. That's what I mean.

How does Va Tech, a school in western/central Virginia, give them the Baltimore/DC market?