Lights Out

Not a fan of that Chiefs concept. The colors are all out of balance and it just seems like change for the sake of change. Also not crazy about monochrome black for the Raiders.

On the other hand, I like that Jets concept better than what they just unveiled. I also like your idea for Denver.

Of course they didn't fix the only flaw of their previous uniforms (the helmet finish).

On 4/10/2024 at 12:15 AM, The_Admiral said:

So too would have been "I dunno the Sacramento Athletics for a while I guess and then Las Vegas I hope maybe."

Five years ago, we had the Chargers playing at a 27,000-seat soccer stadium in Carson, waiting for Kroenke to build his new stadium so they could mooch off it for $1 rent. Basically, blame Dean Spanos. The A's are just following his example.

6 hours ago, Unocal said:

 

Oh please

 

Never having to play from behind or overcome any adversity = "coaching masterclass"

Uhh... isn't that the goal of any coach? Especially in a high-stress single-elimination tournament like March Madness.

Hurley's constant whining, jawing, and walking onto the court is irritating, but he's objectively one hell of a coach when it comes to pure Xs and Os. It shows from how diligently they move the ball on offemse. The way they calmly break the press every time like it's nothing, making the rest of the sport look like a joke for not being able to handle it nearly as well. He had the perfect defensive strategy for Purdue too.

Then on the other side, you have Purdue's god-awful style of just spamming the ball to Edey so he can flop and get bailout calls from the refs, while getting away with blatant three seconds violations and offensive fouls all game. No adjustments when they have to play from behind, no plan B when a team has someone like Clingan who can guard Edey one-on-one, because Painter thinks it's 1973 and he doesn't need guards as long as he has a really tall guy on his team. At least we didn't have to watch that eyesore of a team win. It's already a bad look for the sport that their style is as successful as it is.

Could be that pitchers are the new running backs, and we'll start to see the position devalued in both draft stock and money because you can't count on them to have any longevity anymore. I think a comparison can already be made between the use of openers and strict pitch counts and the "RB by committee" approach.

It's not fair since a lot of this has to do with the unnatural pressure on prospects to throw 100 MPH at 3000 RPM from a young age to even get glanced at by MLB scouts. But front offices have gotten so in over their heads with analytics that they aren't likely to change anytime soon, so it'll be future pitchers getting screwed because the current ones keep needing Tommy John surgeries every year.

8 hours ago, rfraser85 said:

 

There's one thing that makes me doubt it's all the NFL with the bad ideas. When I look at the Oregon football team, I can't believe the school decided to have a dozen uniforms each season. If anyone has a source, please share it.

 

This seems like finger pointing and repeating the company line. But either way, all ties with these "focus groups" need to be cut ASAP. I can count on one hand the new uniforms or uniform elements I've liked since 2012.

There's an obvious difference with Oregon that you're ignoring. Their football program is a product of Phil Knight's wallet, so of course they're going to advertise for Nike in return. If Phil Knight owned an NFL team, you can bet they'd also be decked out in the latest and greatest of whatever Nike thinks is trendy right now.

At the same time, even in college, Nike can't make Alabama or Texas wear a dozen uniforms every season. Like any other design firm, they are ultimately beholden to the client.

The team records, fouls, bonus and possession arrow are all too small and would be illegible on anything other than a big-screen TV.

On 3/28/2024 at 6:58 PM, Cujo said:

Rare Fanatics W

 

The buttons are the only thing separating this from the cheapest replica t-shirts.

On 3/26/2024 at 12:58 PM, Cujo said:

 

Four whole years... 

 

But you're right. They should totally fire Cal and hire another Billy Gillespie!

I like Cal, but Tubby Smith was run out of Kentucky for better results than Cal has delivered since 2019. He also doesn't help his case by being so stubborn and combative towards fans.

Black and yellow could have worked fine for the Jazz if they had put actual effort into the uniforms. The glorified Summer League gear they farted out in an afternoon would have been poorly received in any color scheme. If they had put out something like their current City Editions, but in black and yellow, I don't think there would have been as many complaints.

On 12/29/2023 at 11:30 AM, Lights Out said:

They absolutely will as long as they can milk money from it. The Steelers/Ravens Wednesday game a few years ago got 10 million viewers. The Cowboys/Giants Wednesday game in 2012 got 22 million. It's only a matter of time.

Turns out I was being generous by calling it "a matter of time." It's happening this year.

Some old-school favorites:

14 hours ago, mattr1198 said:

Not too much of an upgrade, not a downgrade either. Texans brand is pretty boring as is, and sure the horn sleeves and the number color swap are upgrades, but something just feels kinda "meh" about their brand still.

The Oilers were a tough act to follow, and the Texans' brand is too limited conceptually. I still think they made a big mistake not picking Apollos as the name.

I like the new look. It's an evolution that finally feels like their own uniform rather than a recolor of USC's.

8 hours ago, who do you think said:

The Grizzlies moved because they were atrociously run by one of Stern's league office stooges and Vancouver - besides being just a worse market to begin with - was far more sensitive to the Canadian dollar problem (the same one that pushed out the Jets and Nordiques) than Toronto.

The real reason the Grizzlies moved is because they were screwed out of the Tim Duncan lottery by the ass-backwards rule at the time that blocked recent expansion teams from getting the #1 pick for a certain number of years. There was just no recovering from that. Granted, they still might have lost that lottery without that rule, but not even giving them a chance after suffering through the worst team in the league is the last thing any league in their right mind would want to do when they're trying to establish themselves in a new market.

11 hours ago, pepis21 said:

He is also responsible for basically all Canadians who are in a league right now

I'd have a hard time giving Vince more credit for that than actual Canadians like Steve Nash, or the literal inventor of the sport, James Naismith.

Regardless, you shouldn't get to treat a franchise the way Vince did on his way out and still be honored by them. Especially when they won one playoff series with him and nothing else. The NBA has a huge problem with teams and their fanbases being treated like doormats for the players' egos, and this would just reinforce the problem.

I'm not a Vince hater, but... throwing a tantrum because the Raptors wouldn't hire Dr. J as GM, telling the Raptors' opponents which plays they were about to run during games, making a big show of refusing to dunk anymore for the home crowd - he went out of his way to make his departure from Toronto as messy as possible and it's just not the kind of behavior that should be rewarded. Maybe if he had returned to Toronto later in his career, it would make more sense.

17 hours ago, truepg said:

 

And that, ladies and gentlemen, should've been the basis for the main team's logo. As if someone was writing down all the notes after the official unveil for this....

Disagree. That '70s style logo fits much better in the G-League at this point alongside other retro-kitsch brands like the GoGo and the Hustle. The big league club's new logo is more suitable for the modern NBA.

11 hours ago, Morgan33 said:

I've explained ad-nauseam on this thread why they went with black equipment and why it was necessary.  To eliminate any instances of burgundy and blue touching on the uniform.  Look at how awful these colours look side by side.  No contrast or definition what so ever. 

Those colors absolutely do contrast. Maybe they're not the absolute best colors to have touching each other, but it's not the end of the world like you're making it out to be either.

Just a quick idea I had trying to combine the San Diego colors and the unused '90s colors with the new logo:

I liked the one on the left better first, but now I'm starting to prefer the sublety of how the seafoam green and light blue almost blend into each other in the one on the right.

5 hours ago, floydnimrod said:

I know there's a lot wrong with the new jerseys and we're all enjoying the pile on, but is it possible that last names were way too damn big to begin with?

Was anyone complaining that they were too big before? I certainly don't remember it.

The smaller names make the uniforms look like how they'd be rendered in an old video game.

2 hours ago, bowld said:

 

I REALLY want to know who thought this was a good idea. Right up there with OKC as the worst logo of all time 

I've always been more forgiving of this logo than most just because of the circumstances. It was a last-minute rush job to get rid of a logo that was associated with the worst owner in sports history. Looking at the Washington Football Team/Commanders clownshow, it could have been a whole lot worse.

OKC has no excuse. The Nets are worse than both - their move to Brooklyn was announced seven years in advance but the branding looks like it was thrown together in an afternoon.

9 minutes ago, gosioux76 said:

Not only do I think of the Twins when I see this, which is fine, but I also think of the Washington Wizards, which was easily avoidable. 

I disagree. The Wizards are primarily red, the Clippers are primarily navy, and the uniform designs are so radically different that I doubt anyone will confuse them. The current Wizards uniforms overlapped with the Hawks' navy and red era and nobody confused those either.

7 minutes ago, NickSixers said:

Per Uni-Watch:

Not a surprise to see either of those names having contributed to this.

Well, that explains why it looks like the Twins' rebrand - it's the same designer.

Wolff seems to have a particular style. I also noticed that several of the soccer team logos he's designed have Art Deco-style typography that's very much in the same vein as the Clippers' new text font.

29 minutes ago, bbush24 said:

The logo is a big miss for me. I'm just so tired of roundels. The NBA already has a problem with an ever increasing corporatized templated feel. All these new logos having the same style doesn't help.

I could do with fewer roundels in the NBA, but I think this is one instance where it makes sense with the design.

The Clippers have also had a roundel in some form for almost their entire franchise history except for a few years in Buffalo, so there's some continuity there.

Looking at the league as a whole, I think the worst offenders are the Rockets, Pacers, and Bucks for awkwardly shoehorning their existing logos into a circle, and the Pistons, Raptors, and Sixers for just being boring.