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Wait a minute, is that for ANY ticket at the ACC? As in, $150 even for something in the nosebleeds? God does Toronto have some ridiculous ticket inflation.

I can be fine with minimalism, it's just I thought that it was a complete 180 from the bells-and-whistles stuff they had directly preceding that; the type of bells-and-whistles stuff I truly enjoyed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw75Z6vm1kc (I'm posting a video to allow for the full display of animation and everything.) I enjoyed those. I enjoyed those a lot. But I could say that about a lot of Fox graphics ever since the second FoxBox came into being, sans the Mousepad banner (the rest of the graphics were fine). I think a lot of their sports production is lousy, but I've always enjoyed the graphics.

These were the best Fox graphics ever and was also used for the NFL aswell. Current Fox graphics are good too, but these were just so good. On this subject, does anybody remember the New Years Eve game between the 49ers/Broncos in 2006? The bad snow storms in Denver caused the Fox trucks not to get their, so they used stuff from Fox Sports Rocky Mountain, and thus for probably the only time ever, you saw Fox Sports Net graphics during an NFL game. Watching that game was weird because the picture quality clearly wasn't on the normal level of the typical Fox Broadcast, I didn't have an HDTV at the time but even then you could just tell how off it looked. Also, the grass looked awful. I have the mildest preference towards the black background compared to the silver (chrome?) background, but the gist was the same. While I have no problems with what they've used (in some form) since 2009, I have to agree with your thinking. I loved those things, especially when you compare it to what CBS used around that same time. And that game was the Joe Nedney field goal to end the Broncos season. I remember that game, but I think I just completely overlooked the fact that they used the FSN graphics for that game. I mean, I know they did, I saw it, I just didn't think anything of it. Probably because the FSN graphics and banner (at the time) were so much better. -- If we're going to call it the Mousepad graphics, that's fine. I always thought that scoreboard was an abomination. It felt like an enormous downgrade from what they used from 2003-2005 (NFL) before that. And I had zero problems with their 2009-2010 score bug, either.

Oh, I should have clarified: I only meant the first half of the game I took the shots from ('98 NFC Title game) Sorry for the confusion. Yeah, no problem, this is stellar stuff. A little investigative work into YouTube indicated that you might mean that, because the 1st half of that game is on there, but not the 2nd half. Weird, but whatever. Gary Anderson still hasn't missed a field goal in the '98 season. I've been watching a ton of Primetime clips this past week; there is some great user on that site who has uploaded a ton of old shows in recent times, and I must say I miss those 2003-2005'ish Fox graphics more than I thought I did (they were different, but they were all related to each other). 2006-2008 was just so atrociously bland, it's almost hard to believe those were Fox graphics, and even harder to believe they lasted three entire seasons. I say this with the added memory of what horrifying sporting event occurred on Fox during the course of those graphics' run.

Yeah, that Giants/Dodgers graphics one was certainly the Steve Finley walk-off grand slam in the penultimate game of the 2004 season. What do you mean by 1st half only, by the way? I know Fox is a bit eccentric with changing up their graphics (there's usually an update every two seasons or so, and especially around 2003-2005 they altered their graphics frequently; check out old NFL Primetime clips if you don't remember), but did they change their graphics mid-game? Jeez. I don't remember that. EDIT - or perhaps you just mean there's only access to YouTube clips of the first half of that game? That's what is seems like.

Even the 'Hawks fans at HF are Coyote defenders? That's a sad world.

Plus the fact that max is evidently so demented that he doesn't remember when he was posting under each account. "riki" didn't exist in November.

Generic Google says LA to Anaheim is about 26 miles, while Tampa to Orlando is 83 miles. It's not comparable. My brother lives near Orlando, and if I wanted to go to his neck of the woods, it would be something I plan somewhat out in advance; not just in the spur of the moment.

This actually seems quite backwards. The Rays have always been a bit geographically out of place in the AL East. Baltimore, Toronto, Boston, and New York are all within reasonable distance of each other; Tampa is over 1,000 miles away from Baltimore. If the Rays were to move to Montreal (not gonna happen, but lets play along), that would create a good division rivalry between Toronto and Montreal, and also kinda round out the AL East into a nice, reasonable five-figure shape (I guess they are all pentagons, but you don't get that traditional pentagon-ny shape with lines going from Boston to NY to Baltimore to Toronto to Montreal). The Marlins have the southern based Braves to go along with in the NL East. The Rays are like a bubble in the AL where nobody is anywhere near them. Hell, isn't the closest geographic team to them, like, the Rangers? Actually, it's probably the Astros now, since Houston is south of Dallas. Stupid re-alignment.

You're a little different than I am, then, with regards to those ages. My sports allegiances were established during that extremely narrow window during which the Tampa Bay Lightning played their first game (October 1992) and when the Tampa Bay Devil Rays franchise was formed (which was in either '95 or '96). Take your guesses at my exact age as you wish; that's personal information that I don't reveal. The thing is, for many people who didn't grow up Rays fans, by the time the Rays finally gave them a product worth supporting, fandoms were too deeply rooted to jump over from anymore. One of my brothers was a huge Cubs fans until around 2008, when the Rays became good. I certainly didn't give him any grief for taking his Rays fandom more seriously at this point; he was well within his rights. Me? Forget the fact that the Yankees are this uber-successful thing that always wins 90 games yada yada. My fandom there was just too deeply rooted to make the switch and, unlike with my secondary support of the NY Giants and Rangers, the Rays are a direct division rival, and I could never support division rivals. Way too icky for my tastes. -- To your maps, you are completely correct. Tropicana Field has always been in a miserable spot when it comes to attracting the majority of the Tampa Bay area population. In addition, St. Petersburg has always been more of a snowbird city than Tampa is; the snowbirds bringing their allegiances with them, more often than not. I've never exactly thought Tampa was this wonderful sports city, but even if it were just as simple as dropping Tropicana Field someplace in Tampa, I'd wager there would be a nice rise in attendance from that alone, because Tampa is where more Rays fans are located. Tropicana Field is an awful baseball stadium and the Rays ownership group's renovations, as noble as they are, are nothing more than lipstick-on-pig improvements. But the biggest problem for the Rays has ALWAYS been where the stadium is, not the quality of the stadium. I don't really see how this could be argued.

Hard to believe it's been nearly ten years since all of that happened.

Yeah. It's a pretty obvious fake.

I really wish I had seen this before it got buried by a hundred posts or so. I was wondering how exactly you guys were watching this. I don't think NHL Network would've aired something like this.

Eight years. Because it. It's happening for sure. It's only been 6 months and already Mike Smith (MIKE SMITH!?!?) got a 6 year, 34 million dollar deal from the league owned team that doesn't have any money. It's gonna get even worse in two days when free agency opens. This is just year 1 too. Imagine what salaries will look like in 7 years. Just because you repeated his name in ALL CAPS with the double "!?" punctuation pattern to follow, you know, I still don't really feel the Mike Smith vibe in that post.

This just sounds like Jim Rome undressing an emailer after the usual "make the world a better place" spiel. You are not an original Tampa kid like I am, the CIT (Community Investment Tax) has hurt Hillsborough County more than it helped. And your handle seems to imply to me that you live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area now. Certainly doesn't seem to be Tampa anymore. You at least knew how and when to get the hell out. I'm still trying to figure that whole operation out.

This just sounds like Jim Rome undressing an emailer after the usual "make the world a better place" spiel.

I remember the good admiral mocking Sharks (whateverthehell) guy Brodie Brazil. Add this to his ledger: Sharks and 'Yotes are still in the same division, right? Enjoy going to the desert and getting owned by Mike Smith three-six times a season again.

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Is Kansas City still wanting a team? Not really. They seem kinda content with the Sprint Center being a general events facility. Besides, between the KC Scouts and assorted exhibitions, hockey interest just doesn't seem to be all that much in Kansas City. I'd sooner guess a team found its way to Houston, but I'm not going to place favourable odds on that either.

Heehee. Hope this whole thing finds its way to the Youtubes in due time. I don't think much of St. Petersburg or the whole Tampa Bay area from a political perspective, but the loonies here sound like geniuses compared to Glendale.

These Glendale people seem to be former residents in the Confederate states who somehow escaped its stranglehold.

As someone who can't watch and has a very ty computer ATM, I have to say this thread has been a thrilling source of entertainment at this late hour. It sounds like Glendale is doing the same usual act that has spawned these threads in the first place. I guess that shouldn't be too shocking.

Isn't this the case across North America entirely? I thought I remember hearing or reading one time that the Packers arrangement is a byproduct of their time period, that they are grandfathered to their arrangement, and that no team can either come into a league like that OR switch to that style from being a privately owned entity.

They realize McCarthy is a huge Blue Jacket voice on a kinda/sorta not-too-big/not-too-small sports logos forum?

Basically, an organized and pre-conceived way of doing what the NBA did with the Hornets out of necessity? Is that the gist of what you're saying there? Would be a bit interesting to see Seattle try to get a team the same way they had their NBA team ripped out from under them.