TheOldRoman

Doesn't the NHL retain the rights to all former team trademarks? Except the Whalers, because of a deal when the team moved?

Yes. Unlike MLB, where the Rangers still own the "Washington Senators" name, the NHL takes posession of all former team names and logos.

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dont know if it means anything but on the hfboards they have this:

http://flightaware.c...ve/flight/GTH43

What's in Boston, the league offices?

Hopefully this goes to the judge Goldwater saw last week, it is struck down before the end of day tomorrow, and the NHL has time to back up the moving trucks by Friday afternoon. I will maintain hope in the face of despair and more welfare hockey.

No, it has not been a windfall for the owners. Even with the massive illegal subsidies Glendale has forked over, the NHL still loses money annually on the Coyotes. And after three years of this charade, having lost over $100 million on the team, they are in a position to hypothetically sell it for what they paid to a guy who doesn't actually have any money. Even in the instance Jamison wins the Powerball lotto and decides to actually buy the team, the owners still would have lost over $100 million.

Once again, the entire thrust of the argument for keeping the Coyotes appears to be, "Yes, this is a horrible plan, but SPORTS!"

I clicked on the link and it showed the follow:

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And abt description of the Phoenix hockey experiment.

I'm at a loss for words. The guy is up to $120 million short on a $140 million investment? . Can I buy the team on credit? I am just $20 million short of Jamison. How is he even in the picture having only 14% of the purchase price? Oh, right. NHL.

It doesn't work. Purple and black work together (although you're toeing a fine line because of how close they are). Purple and black with gold tossed in can look decent, and the Ravens would prove it if they got their heads out of their asses and cleaned up their set.

However, whenever I see black, purple and yellow together, I think it looks terrible. That is largely because all I ever see it on is Lakers and Vikings hats made for the "kewl kids" who didn't want to wear team colors because they were too bright or didn't look good with their khakis or whatever. Aside from that, I don't think those colors should ever be paired. They just don't look good together. To me, that looks like a 2002 Bills-esque half-assing by throwing something from every past identity into a blender.

Huge protest going on.

The man in front is still upset they cancelled Hee Haw.

I'm pretty sure that's Neil Young.

Calling Barry Goldwater a real American, Devils avitar I think Icecap is turning into me

Being outraged at the Phoenix Coyotes is the one true cause that unites us all. #teamjustice

We could join hands and do a "We are the World" cover video for this cause.

♫Enough's enough. Move the Coyotes.♫

They weren't sleeveless, they were faux-vests with attached blue sleeves. And they were horrific.

As seen, I've been an advocate of having the team stay for hockey reasons, if it was something even remotely reasonable. It's just never going to be reasonable. Hell even if the team moves, Glendale is still going to be in their own world of .

If the team moves, then Glendale can use the arena for concerts etc without having to pay the exorbitant hockey subsidy. I've seen reports that the city could actually make money on the arena if they didn't have to support the Coyotes.

Somone provided a stat that the only year the arena made money was during the lockout year of 2005.

Far be it from ME of all people to grouse about a thread going off topic, but this one's my baby, and I won't shed no tears if Major-Junior Roll Call were to find itself spun off.

But yeah, I don't think this is the slam dunk that the Arizona people make it out to be. Between the huge arena management fees (paying $300 million for them to pay you $10 million? pear), the handing over of the very same parking lots that Glendale claimed it had to buy from Fax Hulsizer, and the surrendering of various ancillary revenue streams, it shouts illegal subsidy. All that plus no one's sure the guy has enough money.

Yeah, but we have been saying this for three years now. This team shouldn't exist. It's not legal. But here they are - pissing us off. Another playoff run and another owner trotted out. The endgame is moving the team, but who knows when that will come. We have probably a week after the Kings lift the Cup before it becomes official they will stay in Glendale for another disastrous year. As maddening as this is, as much as we know Jamison doesn't have the money and the deal is unconstitutional, we know that they won't move this offseason. Every time I see a new post in this thread, I get excited, opening it hoping to read "moving trucks seen at team facility, press conference called for QC townhall," but to no avail.

For one, the font is terrible. It's horribly unncessary when the tiger logo is better (although still not good). Worst of all, they use a B instead of C. C would represent Cincinnati and the stripes would represent the team name, so it would be passable. A striped B is saying "GET IT?! B FOR BENGALS AND IT'S GOT STRIPES CUZ TIGERS HAVE STRIPES!"

if the coyotes dont move, who do you think it will be.

If the coyotes don't move, there is no justice in the universe. No other team should be sacrificed on the altar of Bettman's ego.

... again.

Well, here we are on May 23rd and the Coyotes season is done. I think they would have enough time to move the team at this point. Someone posted that the Thrashers/Jets sale went down on May 31, so we are a week from that date. They might even be able to go a few weeks into June before moving the team. If the rumors are true that Quebequor has been told beforehand that the team would be coming, they could have worked out the branding and other stuff. They might have even hired a number of people recently with plans of reassigning them to the Nordiques.

Last year's "sale" fell through because Hulsuizer pulled out after realizing Goldwater was going to sue and Glendale had no way of winning. Hopefully Goldwater either publically announces a lawsuit or makes a call to Jamison to let him know that the subsidies wont pass the court. A forth year of the Coyotes existing on government cheese is not a desirable thing for anybody.

You could always recolor the ball in glove to Navy and Gold, maybe tilt it a little too. and alter the M logo to take a little detail from the barley? out and dull the M a little. Same with the actual word mark. You'd tilt the glove a little to add the same effect the wordmark seems to have. Or straighten out the wordmark.

If any combination of eras is going on, the thing to be kept from the BiG set should be the colors, and this is coming from someone who likes everything about that set better than the current set. You can update logos and wordmarks, but ultimately teams are most identifiable by their colors. The Brewers should be wearing blue and yellow instead of the drabness they are wearing now.

I am in-between on stirrups. I think the '70s and '80s stirrups pulled really high looked silly, but I also think it looked bad when they are worn very low so an inch or two of the sanitary socks show. If players are going to wear stirrups, I think there should be four to five inches of sock showing underneath.

I hate the style of collar that the Lakers (and the other teams that have it) have on their uniforms. Every team should have a normal round collar.

I disagree about rounded collars, but only because some teams look good with V-necks. The Spurs aren't one of them. But I do think that the garbage collar piping which inexplicably turns into a cuff in the back looked terrible when it debuted and looks terrible and dated now. I think all teams should have thick trim around the neck and arm holes. Hopefully we are seeing a return to actual basketball templates with the Thunder, Jazz and Wizards recent sets.

I hate the Nuggets navy blue alternates that they wore on the road in the Lakers series. One of the worst uniforms in the league IMO and a huge downgrade from their regular powder blue roads.

I don't know if that's an unpopular idea. Those unis are terrible. Also, the home and roads are so much worse the past few years since they thickened the navy and added it to the stripes.

The current uniforms would be better if the home jerseys had the Nationals wordmark on them. Also, lose the number font. It was poor with the bevels, but it's downright horrible without them.

Yeah, so how long have your "facts" actually been predicting the truth icecap? Weren't the Coyotes supposed to move like, 3 years ago because of your precious "facts"? Wait, they haven't. Haven't moved and they aren't going to. Sorry bout it.

Oh, and I know I'm not exactly the poster boy for an unbiased look at this situation, it's pretty clear where my allegiances lie. But the only reason I'm on this thread with these types of " you guys" posts is because no one has been speaking for one side of the situation. Y'all are on some type of vendetta against the Coyotes... looking back through this thread with all of the multitudes of "yea they are definitelyyyy moving to QC" comments... I mean, it's not gonna happen.

I'm fully aware that plenty of sarcastic, MOD EDIT comments are coming my way-- don't worry, I understand how the internet works. I get what a flamewar is. And clearly I'm poking the dog. Don't care.

Fact of the matter is.... most of the NHL sees this as an incredible underdog story. Look at any other message board. I've seen so many people say they are behind the coyotes and their story, so many people from random teams saying.. good luck or.. I hope y'all beat the odds. No credit on here. Just hate.

Fans that think this is any kind of cinderella story haven't followed the saga for three years. They don't know how many hoops the league has jumped through to keep the team there and give them favorable scheduling. They don't know the fan indifference. They either don't understand the amount of money a bankrupt city is giving this private company or they're like, "that's okay, I like hockey lolz."

So, this is what it all boils down to. You can hope that Jamison can actually make people care about the team, that's fine. However, a bankrupt city will be giving him over $100 million to try to do so. And Jamison's potential losses are minimized because, if he fails to turn the team around, he will go back to Glendale in five years threatening to move if he doesn't get more money. I don't care whether or not you like the team. You have to answer - do you think it's okay that the city which can't pay police officers is giving tens of millions of dollars to prop up a failing team?

The Goldwater institute is a factor here and I dont think a subsidy is an issue or will be accpted.

Tank, the subsidies are the thing that holds this deal together. Nobody is touching this team without the massive subsidies. If anybody wanted to buy the team on their own dollar and keep it in Glendale, they would have done so three years ago. The only way Glendale keeps the team is by giving them tens of millions annually. If this goes down, Goldwater will have to get involved, but that would lead to a lengthy legal battle which would keep the team in the desert for at least another year. The NHL has pretty much scoffed at Goldwater's threats of lawsuits thusfar, even though they are likely the reason the Hulsuizer deal fell through. That, and he didn't have any money.

Yeah, I agree with the Goldwater insitute as long as the team did not have an owner and the city was losing money that was not going to work. However, they have an owner and he must work something out with the city and if from there it is succesful than good for them, but if not than the owner a private owner is free to do what he wants and if he wants to move them to Qubec City, Regina or Yellow Knife he should be allowed.

Right. The potential owner would work something out with the city... which would amount to subsidies so he doesn't lose money on the team (although he will anyway). The city is going to lose money, whether the team succeeds or not. They are committing to losing an additional $100 million in this sale. This isn't some short term loan to help a down-on-its-luck business, these are subsidies to help the team exist because the doors can't stay open without them. And as soon as the subsidies run out, the new owner is free to move the team again! This deal would not only delay the inevitible, it would lead to the same thing five years down the road, where Glendale's stooge politicians give them several more years of subsidies to stay there.

I honestly believe if they found an owner who agreed to pick up all the debt many around here would still find something to complain about and would continue to hypothesize in the collapse of the entire Glendale area.

Keep the hate and ridicule up. Hopefully the Yotes will continue winning and find an owner so some people will still have something to complain about.

Well, that's a strawman argument. There will be no owner who doesn't take massive subsidies from Glendale. If that were to happen, people might say "wow, it sucks that team continues to rot in front of an empty arena while actual hockey fans in QC have no team", and subsequently laugh at the new owner who was sold magic beans, but that's about it. Almost all of the dislike for the situation I have read on this board has been due to the facts that: 1) the league has refused to let them move; 2) Glendale has bankrupted itself to subsidize a team its constituency doesn't care about; and 3) Glendale will be breaking laws to facilitate the team's sale to a local owner. You can't base an argument around the hypothetical of if any of those conditions didn't exist.