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  1. MOD EDIT: Let's not get into other team names and derail this thread. Keep it focused on the Washington NFL franchise.
  2. I was just looking into this. It looks like tenne is a brown/orange (more orange in England, more brown everywhere else). Orange is a quite rare colour in heraldry, but it does show up in some regions. I think all the basic colours show up, it's just some are much more popular (due to appearance). Even some long established rules, like the law of tincture, are broken from time to time.
  3. ec5

    Personal Logo

    Have some updates, if any one has any thoughts/suggestions. I'm trying out different versions with a "sash." Quick run down on the logo: My last name is spelled with a Č, so I'm trying to turn the caron/accent into a crown logo. My initials are EC, so the sash forms a bit of a lower case "e" Changes: Moved the sash higher on the shoulder to look more natural and narrowed the crown. The difference with these two variations is I've added more to the second crown.
  4. When another poster mentioned the d also forms a Z, I was like that's clever! (I was wondering why you extended that serif). Honestly, the look is growing on me. Have you ever thought of sending them a proposal for it? With them making some waves in international matches and making some money, they might be in the market for an updated look. It'd be kind of cool if I watch one of their games in a couple years and see this logo.
  5. Really cool stuff! I think Inter Zapresic and Istra are all clear improvements. I also think Cibalia, Sibenik, Varteks, and Zadar are interesting concepts/looks. Great job! Overall, some really clean looks. For me personally, I'd keep Dinamo and Hajduk the same (but go back to the 1911 on Hajduk ... ), but I can almost picture Dinamo doing something like that in the future (reminds me of Juventus). Great job!
  6. ec5

    Personal Logo

    Thanks for your thoughts, Zeus. When you stare at the same logo for too long, it's hard to know how a fresh set of eyes will view something. I'll probably play around with sash and no-sash versions for a couple weeks and see what happens. Really appreciate all the comments. It's not 100% where I want it yet, but it's moving in a better direction and that's mainly due to all of your help.
  7. ec5

    Personal Logo

    Thanks for your thoughts. My intent was to break up the letter a bit and since sashes are often worn by royalty/nobility, I was trying to tie it together that way.
  8. ec5

    Personal Logo

    Thanks for the comments, everyone. I appreciate it. In regard to the cross, I'm quite religious, so I'll likely keep it in. Realistically, this will likely stay a personal rather than professional logo, so I think it's better that the logo represents who I am rather than be concerned how others may view it. Since most heraldic crowns have a cross on them (including Canada's), I like how I can include in a natural way rather than just throwing a cross in there randomly. Though, I may play around with the size/shape. @BrandMooreArt I've taken your advice regarding the "C" to heart. It does look too plain and is starting to remind me of a C-clamp. Here are some different designed for the "C." If you have any thoughts, please let me know. I've created a "C" with a slash going through it. Tried to make it look almost like a sash. The 4th version is the busiest, though it forms a lowercase "e" and my first name is spelled with the same letter. I find the elements are similar to the Real Madrid logo, though this wasn't my intention.
  9. ec5

    Personal Logo

    Thanks for the comment, Zeus. I think that's a good point. The "C" does take up a lot of the logo and overpowers it; this is even more obvious now that you've mentioned it. I'd like to play around with the idea rather than scrapping it though. I'm wondering scaling down the "C" balances things out more. I was also thinking of using just the crown as a secondary image.
  10. Any thoughts or suggestions appreciated. This is a personal logo going under the name "Crown Creative" for now. In Croatian, my last name is spelled with a "Č." I've tried to turn the haček/caron into a stylized crown. So it hints towards my actual last name and the name "Crown Creative." There's a cross on the crown, both to help give it an appearance of a crown and because I'm Catholic. I've added some lettering to the right of the logo. The coloring is in a pale gold/silver for effect. I also have brighter versions. I like the gold look because I think it can look good on black, blue, and red backgrounds, and obviously ties in with "crown." Here's a slightly different version that makes the hacek/caron more visible within the crown.
  11. I really like both Penguins logos! Even though they're starting to use it to sell merchandise, the Canucks completely wiped clean and ignored the 90s for the longest time.
  12. @OliverP Thanks for your comment. I mentioned you because we chatted a few years back and I really liked some of your logo redesigns (Still waiting on a Pipi one! ). Always nice to get the thoughts of a Croat who is also in graphic design (and nice to know that Dado is one, too). @Ice_Cap I get what you're saying and agree in many ways. A flag/coat of arms is about who a group of people are and we can't just simply things because that is the style of modern graphic art. I actually think you, @OliverP, and @dado are all on the same page, but with different points of view. To them, the current coat of arms is presented in way that hasn't been seen before 1990, making it artificial. The regional coat of arms on the crown have been displayed before, but typically on the Austro-Hungarian coat of arms (attempts to unite these regions, as opposed to keeping them divided, were a significant part of Croatian nationalism). You're saying we shouldn't simplify history. They're saying that, for Croatians, the simplified checkerboard is history. In a way, everyone is right.
  13. Thanks for the comment! Yeah, the crown makes it a lot more busy, especially with the animals. I originally preferred a šahovnica-only flag, but now I do see benefits of leaving that to represent all Croatians everywhere (ethnic flag) and the Republic of Croatia having a slightly different flag. ^This is pretty good. Maybe too similar to the Herceg-Bosna flag, though, this one is better! I think that's actually the first time I've seen the Ljubičić flag, though I've seen a bunch similar to it. It's probably the nicest of the "racing" flags.
  14. Thank you for the comment, suggestion, and mock-up! I really like your idea. Amazing how it seems so simple now. I think it gives the best option for having it look good on the flag and by itself (I actually like the connected crown on the flag, just not by itself). I'm generally weary of having things just floating around, but I think it can work in this case. I also thought about changing the shape of the checkered shield or slightly increasing the height of the 3 blue points in the crown, to make the shield look less stiff, but I think that might be taking things a step too far and will lose resemblance to the current design. To me, this really reinforces the importance of getting feedback and appreciating that different opinions can really add to an idea. Here is the coat of arms, by-itself, with the decreased gap between it and the shield.
  15. Thank you for the comment and suggestion. Here it is with the crown and the shield touching. I think it solves the problem of the awkward red/white break going between them on the flag. The downside is I think it makes the coat of arms, when shown by itself, a little more stiff looking.
  16. Made a few alterations to the Croatian flag and coat of arms. Let me know what you think. @OliverP it would be nice to get your thoughts as well, though I know you'd probably like something more innovative, while this is more traditional. General description: The Croatian coat of arms is made up of a checkered shield. The crown over the shield is made up of 5 historical/regional shields. All on a Slavic tri-colour. The flag and coat of arms was made official in 1990, just as the country was becoming independent of Yugoslavia. Current Flag / Coat of Arms: Issues I wanted to change: Some of the shields on the crown were changed from their historical versions (either simplified or colour was changed) for design reasons. I wanted to take them back closer to the historical versions. The crown is often criticized in heraldic circles due to the arc, the alternating background colours, and the red outline. My goal is to simplify it, while keeping the creativity of incorporating these 5 shields. I always felt the arced crown along with the shield breaking the bottom blue bar of the flag made it look like the shield was "popping out" of the flag. To me, this makes it too "in your face" or even cartoonish. It's like the coat of arms has just been thrown on top of the tricolour. So I wanted to try to flatten the image and make the flag look like it's a single unit. Some historical Croatian flags keep the checkered shield completely within the white bar, so I wanted to give a nod to that. My Altered Version: Note: These designs partially incorporate or may be altered from the vector work of others. The goat, martin, and basic shape of the stars and moon are credited to MaxxL. The lion/leopard heads are credited to Perhelion. The foundational structure of the main checkered shield is credited to Ma. The original design if the coat of arms and flag is credited to Miroslav Šutej.
  17. I look forward to it. The nice thing about trying to update Croatian logos is that it would be easy for you to approach the companies to see if they're interested in adopting the new look (though, I suspect many would be too cheap to think about it). Have you thought about sending a marketing package to companies, like Autoherc, to see if they'd buy it? I don't know how European companies operate (when it comes to marketing/updating logos), but I do think the logos are good enough that it should give them something to think about. P.S. Mostar seems like a nice city (though, too hot in the summer!). My family comes from close to Tomislavgrad.
  18. Really like your Muller update (though, I also like the original). Your second one I thought was just ok, until I noticed you kept the shape of the heart, then I was more impressed. Good job. You have talent. Would be interesting to see your take on Croatian logos (Pipi update?? )
  19. Always thought Montenegro had a nice flag.
  20. I don't think London would be blocking LV from using "Knights" (if anything, it would be West Point). However, I wonder if the OHL being an international league with a presence in the US changes anything. I still doubt it, but who knows.
  21. Ren, have you considered making a tutorial video as you go through one of these logos? I have no where near your talent, but would be interested in how you use different tools and tackle issues. Really enjoy this thread.
  22. That was a different situation. True North owned an AHL team called the Manitoba Moose and did not own rights to the "Winnipeg Jets" name when the company was formed (I believe it would have stayed with Phoenix Coyotes when they moved from Winnipeg to Phoenix). So, in that situation, having a more bland, corporate name made sense. Especially considering minor league teams move more frequently, it would not have made sense to name the company after the Moose, either. "Black Knights" does seem to be more of a team name than a corporate name (True North, Orca Bay, etc.).
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