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Don't know if this one has been mentioned, but there is no other answer that should be considered. These are the two worst uniforms of all time by a mile and met up once during their 2 seasons of overlap.

On 11/28/2023 at 4:29 PM, DCarp1231 said:

Kyle Shanahan talking about Washington’s QB drafting strategy in 2012-

• Always wanted to draft two quarterbacks

• Originally wanted Ryan Tannehill at #6 and Russell Wilson in the middle rounds

 

• Kyle wanted Kirk Cousins in 2nd Round

 

• Washington traded up instead to get RG3 and waited for Kirk Cousins in the 4th round

 

 

But why? Like why go in and plan on taking a QB in the first two rounds? I can't think of any logical reason to do that.

2 minutes ago, VampyrRabbit said:

Alex Meruelo can't run casinos in AZ if the team moves out of state.

He would be a complete moron to care about that. I won't pretend to know how much he makes from running a casino, but I can confidently say that he is leaving money on the table.

The Coyotes are currently the least valuable team in the NHL, valued at $675M. Let's look at the value of teams in similar markets to those he could move the team to.

Calgary, Edmonton, and Winnipeg all average out to a valuation of $1.2B. 

Dallas has a valuation of $1.1B.

So he is essentially leaving half a billion dollars in valuation plus roughly $1.5B he'll have to spend to build an arena if anyone in Arizona let's him. There is no chance his casino is making a number that even sniffs an amount to be worth losing $2B off the bat and more and more every year.

2 minutes ago, ruttep said:

 

That's fair. Strictly looking at the jersey and pants, I'm still not sold on blue pants though. Just my opinion.

It's tough to match things with that white helmet. That is the tricky thing with it, almost no pants colors look good with a white helmet except for white.

It's crazy that the Coyotes just realized they weren't going to get taxpayer money for an arena. No one cares whether they're there or not. Multiple municipalities have flat out told them they don't want them. They might have the least leverage in history to get taxpayer money to build a stadium and it's crazy it took them this long to realize that.

It's pretty crazy they haven't moved to either Quebec City or Houston. Both have arenas already ready - so that saves them $1B-$2B right there because they're not getting tax money in Arizona. They also would already have a built in fanbase in Quebec City or be in the 3rd largest city in the US in Houston. Teams also make most of their money on franchise valuation and having a popular team in either market would have to increase the value of the franchise a ton.

1 minute ago, ruttep said:

The way I see it, the Chargers are a team that has uniforms that protect themselves from sock shenanigans -- within the primary set, there is no way to match the pants color and sock color. Other examples of this are the Packers, Steelers, 49ers, Raiders, Giants, and Bucs. Adding blue pants would remove that protection. Even if they announce that they're going to wear yellow or white socks with the blue pants, I have no doubt that eventually they'd pair blue socks with it.

I get that but I just put more stock in the jersey/pants combo than the socks. Like the socks matter - but to me, they're completely secondary to the jersey and pants.

2 hours ago, ruttep said:

 

I mean I'm almost certain that they'd pair it with blue socks. By "leggings" I mean that the pants and socks are the same color (I don't mean that the "socks" are actually leggings that they wear underneath their pants). And I'd rather not have the Chargers in blue pants for that reason - they'd end up looking similar to the Dolphins' white over aqua combo. I know that combo has its fans, but I'm not one of them. 

It's possible they would do that but I certainly wouldn't assume it.

Even so, I'd still take the blue pants over yellow, even with blue socks. Although white or yellow socks would look much better.

17 hours ago, BBTV said:

 

How is their branding directionless?  It sucks, but it isn't directionless.

 

Sword in logo, sword on jersey.  Numbers with sharp edges to mimic the sword.  The flame is (allegedly) from greek mythology.

 

It has a direction.  It's just poorly executed (at least the uniforms.  I don't have much issue with the logo other than it doesn't scale well.)

The problem is that they try to use the Greek theme but then do nothing with it. Swords have no more prevalence to ancient (or current) Greece than to any other ancient culture. Honestly, probably less. Cartoony blue and red flames have absolutely no connection to Greece either. So it all is just bad-looking elements for their own sake.

I honestly don't know where they go from here. Maybe the previous set was as good as it was gonna get. But I think every other team in the NFL is extremely well-branded (excluding uniforms). The Titans wouldn't stand out in a league like the NBA where half the teams have an absolute mess of a brand. But in the NFL they do stand out as being boring and incoherent.

19 hours ago, ruttep said:

 

Absolutely not. That's a one-way ticket to blue leggings. Completely unnecessary.

By blue leggings, do you mean no tripes or do you mean paired with blue socks? Because I don't see why you'd assume they'd do either. Anyways, I'd still prefer the white pants to anything but I'd take blue pants with the white jerseys over yellow.

I guess this is unpopular but I'm not a fan of the Chargers' yellow pants. I think it makes the look too bottom heavy with the helmet being white and there also just isn't enough yellow on either the helmet or any of their jerseys to properly balance it out. I don't think the yellow pants is an awful look but the white pants look better with both jerseys.

I'd much prefer to see blue pants with their white jerseys. Would still be bottom heavy but they would go so well with the blue numbers.

11 minutes ago, Ridleylash said:

It probably has something to do with Nashville's longstanding nickname of "Athens of the South"; Athens = Greece = Greek mythology = Titans.

 

Plus...well, it's a pretty powerful-sounding name for a team compared to something like "Tennessee Pioneers".

Does anyone in Nashville actually say "Athens of the south" though? Isn't that whole nickname based on one building? I don't think the Greek connection is all that clear in the first place and then they totally half-ass it. At least if you're going to go with Titans, use Greek themes besides an ugly number font. They couldn't have worked that into the logo at all? They struck gold on the thumbtack on fire and couldn't spare it?

And yeah, Titans isn't jarring or awful like Kraken or Wild or Commanders. But it just feels so generic. The whole brand feels like Madden create-a-team.

On 11/11/2023 at 5:17 PM, DCarp1231 said:

That’s fair and I do agree.
 

It wasn’t to this extent, but the Colts new alt (just the jersey itself) did a fine job. It was a happy medium.

Unpopular: This should be the Colts primary home jersey. Of course, they'd have to wear it with their typical white helmets and pants and remove the fake captain patch. I don't mind the black outlines and accents but I wouldn't miss them either.

I get the historical aspect of the current uniforms but the cut of the sleeves has long ruined that. Like the previous Jets set, they just don't look like the same uniforms as they did 50 years ago. The relocation also does a sort of reset on the uniform in my eyes. Changing from something they've been wearing since 1987 doesn't seem as sacrilegious.

On 11/12/2023 at 8:16 AM, DCarp1231 said:

I suppose one could make the argument for the Titans. I wish the sword didn’t widen towards the sleeve end. There’s many things wrong with the current set, but the striping isn’t one of the them.

The current Titans set is the worst uniform set of all-time. The alarm clock Bucs are the only other ones in their class. Everything else is a mile behind those two. The number font is the surest way to ruin a uniform and both came up with absolute atrocities. They are not only terrible at conveying a brand, but just horrifying to look at in general.

I'll go a step further and say the Titans are the worst branded team in the NFL overall by far. They don't have a consistent color scheme that they stick to. They try to do the two-tone blue (which I already think is weak) but then also try and shoehorn in silver and red. On top of that, 90% of the time they wear hardly any columbia blue and just go all navy. Their logo doesn't really make sense and is overly cartoony. Both their logo and their wordmark rely heavily on bevels. And the team name itself was pretty much just picked to be alliterative with no other real connection as far as I know.

The Titans are considered to be one of the most forgettable teams in the league and I think the branding has a lot to do with it.

It goes without saying that their previous uniforms were miles ahead of what they currently wear and probably about the best they could do with the current brand. But the whole brand could honestly be thrown in the trash tomorrow and I don't think many would miss it.

5 hours ago, Sport said:

Tepper is an Owner to Watch. He's a meddler and meddler's can be very fun. They don't know what they're doing, but they think they can alpha boss their way into sports championships the same way they alpha bossed themselves to a fortune with their hedge fund scams and it doesn't work in sports because sports don't let you game the system in the same way. 

Oh yeah, Panthers fans have seen this coming for years. He might as well just skip the middle man and coach the team himself. Heck, why not play QB why he's at it? The athleticism and arm strength would only be a marginal downgrade.

Reich's real crime here was taking jobs he knew he wouldn't have a chance in. He had two of the worst physical talents of all time at QB in the last two years and clearly didn't want either. He should've quit the Colts job the second Irsay decided they were going to go with the ghost of a once average Matt Ryan and should've turned down the Panthers job when Tepper hand-picked the "elite processor" with a noodle arm who turns out to suck at processing too.

18 minutes ago, See Red said:

 

The confusion is clearly on your end. His presumption of innocence means he is not in jail. It is not relevant towards anything else. 

 

There are a number of peer-reviewed studies on this. You can prove they’re incorrect if you’d like. 

 

 

There’s not a pool of 7m people here. The pool is not everybody in the Houston area. The pool is women who have given Deshaun Watson a massage.  It’s significantly smaller. This isn’t that difficult. 

I choose to think that presumption of innocence extends beyond the courtroom, but if you choose to think otherwise, no one will stop you from witch-hunting.

Oh my, a peer reviewed study!! Guys, we solved the criminal justice system! A peer reviewed study was able to figure out exactly which cases were fabricated and not without even having to be present at any of them! We should just replace our entire criminal justice system with a copy of this peer reviewed study.

Seriously though, please summarize how these studies came to their conclusions and how they were able to figure out guilt and innocence and guilt in every single case to give an exact percentage. Why aren't we using these exact methods in every case while they are still in trial then?

5 minutes ago, infrared41 said:

So you would have no issue with people thinking you are a sex predator. That's an interesting position to take.

I'm sure he cares some, but A) lots of people hear the words "accusation" and won't give a second thought that he might be innocent no matter what, even if - say - the criminal case was thrown out before trial due to lack of evidence

and B. He cares about $230M more than he cares what random people on the internet think about him.

9 minutes ago, See Red said:

As you’ve been told countless times now, sexually assault is incredibly difficult to prove.  How would you go about proving somebody pushed your mouth or hand to their privates or forced you to give them oral sex?  Keep in mind that in this scenario, you’re a 110 pound woman and he’s a professional athlete.

 

Ignoring the sketchiness of seeing that many message therapists to begin with…the percentage of false accusations are somewhere between 2% and 10%. What do you think is the likelihood of finding 20+ women willing to falsely accuse him of sexual assault?  Pretty low. Now what’s the likelihood of finding 20+ Houston area massage therapists who can prove they’ve given him massages that are willing to falsely accuse him?  It’s impossibly low.

 

This guy doesn’t deserve to be defended. 

As I've said countless times, it does not matter how difficult it is to prove. If it can't be proven, he is presumed innocent. This is an extremely basic, easy-to-grasp concept in this country. I do not understand where the confusion is coming from.

Where are you getting the numbers 2%-10%? If we knew with absolute certainty which ones were false and which ones weren't, this entire conversation would be pointless. Pretending that you know exactly what percentage of accusations are false is laughable.

None of these women proved literally anything at all. The civil case was settled so he could go back to playing and the criminal case was thrown out due to lack of evidence. Where in that line of events did anyone prove that they had even met Watson? Even if they could prove they knew him, that's hardly evidence of sexual assault.

And finding 20+ women in a metro of 7M people who are willing to grab a payday of hundreds of thousands of dollars at minimum in exchange for accusing him would be literally the easiest thing ever. Imagine walking the streets of Houston, handing out thousand dollar bills. It would literally be that easy.

25 minutes ago, monkeypower said:

 

By the strict legal definition, he is 'innocent" as in he has not been found criminally guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. However, what he "allegedly" did is infamously hard to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law and many such cases will never even come close to a criminal trial because of it.

 

As stated by others, there is also a difference between "innocent" and "not guilty". They are not the same thing.

I'm done going in circles. You win. He definitely did it because a lawyer rounded up a bunch of women and sued him with 0 evidence. Happy?

By the way, the "not guilty" vs "innocent" thing doesn't even apply here. This case didn't even make it to criminal trial because their evidence was so weak.

The only reason he wasn't found innocent is because the case literally didn't even have enough evidence to go to trial.

On 11/17/2023 at 1:57 PM, infrared41 said:

If you were truly innocent, would you settle multiple lawsuits that are going to ruin your reputation and leave everyone thinking you're some sort of pervert just so you could go back to work?

If you make hundreds of millions of dollars at work, yes.

On 11/18/2023 at 4:08 AM, dont care said:

Being found not guilty isn’t the same as innocence, and never has been. Being found not guilty means that the prosecution couldn’t make a case to find the defendant guilty “beyond reasonable doubt” which is a much higher threshold to prove rather than civil cases that just need a “likely” level of proof to win a case

On 11/18/2023 at 2:06 AM, Kevin W. said:

If you are not guilty, that means that the prosecution wasn't able to prove its case against you to a jury. That doesn't mean that you're innocent.

Let me make it as simple as possible: 

Guilty = Guilty

Anything else = Innocent

What about the phrase " innocent until proven guilty" do you not understand?

You literally need to ask yourself one question. Was he proven guilty? If not - as per the beginning of the phrase - he is innocent.

23 hours ago, infrared41 said:

 

Even if Watson were a model citizen, it's still an idiotic trade. Any QB short of Mahomes (and I'm not sure I make that deal even for him) isn't worth anywhere near what the Browns gave up for Watson. People act like the Browns were one player away from a Super Bowl when the Watson deal was made. They weren't. Not even close. No one saw this defense being what it is now when the Watson deal was made. Long story short, the smart move would have been to give Mayfield one more season then take a look at available QBs. Instead, the Browns panicked, made a deal with the devil, and trashed the future of the franchise for a good long while. If the...ahem...brain trust of the Cleveland Browns weren't such morons, this whole mess could have (and should have) been Atlanta's problem. But here we are...as usual.

I 100% agree with this. They went about this in the dumbest way. They had a QB they had shown they could win with. No one has ever won in the NFL with a QB on a contract like this. Giving up the picks as well just made sure they couldn't even bring in good players on rookie deals either.

I see it the opposite way. They weren't one player away. They were zero players away. They were already a contender and likely would've been a serious threat in 2021 if Mayfield hadn't gotten injured. They completely didn't need this.

From an off-the-field standpoint, I don't agree with the witch-hunting and don't have any problem giving someone with no criminal convictions a spot on their team.

On the field, the trade was a disaster from the start. They gave a record setting deal to a guy who had most recently taken his team to a 4-12 record before trying to whine his way into forcing a trade. For the trouble, they gave away a ton of draft picks and set a 3-year window on a team that was already contending and was going to be contending for years.

I still think the Wilson trade was much worse though. Similar scenario but if Watson was 10(?) years older and was playing like the worst QB in the NFL.

Lots of draft trades have turned out just as bad pick-wise but the contracts are what set those two apart.

15 hours ago, infrared41 said:

Oh, if it was only going to be four games then I guess trading for a guy with all that baggage was the right thing to do. As I said earlier in this thread, there is a difference between being found innocent and being found not guilty. The same can be said for being "cleared legally." I don't think people have a true understanding of how much evidence is needed to take a legal case to court. If Watson were truly innocent, no lawyer with a brain would have taken the civil cases. As a rule, lawyers don't waste their time on a case that has absolutely no merit. So spare me the "women chasing money" argument.

 

Actually, in a society where innocence is presumed, "innocent" and "not guilty" are the same thing. You are innocent until you are guilty. If you are not guilty, you are innocent.

And you don't think that having a civil lawsuit of this nature being dragged out and affecting his ability to play might tip the scaled toward him settling even if he was innocent? Don't you think a lawyer would know that going in?

On 11/16/2023 at 8:26 AM, Cujo said:

Q: Would you allow your girlfriend or sister in a locked room with Watson?

I wouldn't leave my girlfriend or sister in a locked room at all. By themselves or with anyone. What would anyone have to gain from that?

28 minutes ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

 

The Jets' regular uniforms are not "extremely similar" to their throwbacks! The current uniform is the worst one in their history, while the throwback uniform is the best one.  

 

The current uniform's flaws are numerous and serious. First, the current helmet logo is absolutely nothing. It has none of the personality of the (admittedly flawed) one that it replaced, the original logo that was brought back in the late 1990s. And it has none of the style of the throwback helmet logo, the wordmark with the jet tail.

 

Second, the current uniform includes both a black jersey and black pants. Completely inappropriate.

 

Third, the "New York" on the front of the jersey is comical. It shouldn't be there at all; but, if it's going to be there, it should be about a quarter of the size.

 

Finally, the swooshes that come in from the sleeve are not sleeve stripes. They're trash derived from that Denver Broncos uniform that was the superspreader event for bad design.

 

If you want a uniform that is similar to this:

 

 

...then you would have to cite this:

 

 

...with the black outline on the numbers, the stripes, and the helmet logo, and the use of green pants with the white jersey.  That's a significant downgrade from the team's best look, but it is definitely similar.

Whereas, the current look is nowhere near the best look.

 

I'm just comparing the white on white sets, as that's what they were wearing. The black pants and jersey are both horrendous but aren't an apples to apples comparison with their throwback white on white set. 

The uniforms aren't exacty the same, but changing the wordmark font on the helmet and the one chest/sleeve stripe doesn't constitute enough of a change to consider one to be "classics" and one to be awful. You can like one more than the other, but a casual fan probably doesn't even notice when they wear the throwbacks.

Personally, I like the new ones more (only considering the white on white sets). The number font and the striping pattern is more unique (it doesn't look anything like Denver) and the helmet color / finish is beautiful. But they're a modern interpretation of the throwbacks. I'm not gonna pretend a few small changes make the old one garbage.

2 minutes ago, SFGiants58 said:

OJ and Casey Anthony were found innocent. Would any sane person argue they didn't do the crimes for which they were accused?

Without much knowledge of either case (I don't even know who Casey Anthony is) - if they were found innocent in court, I'd consider them to be innocent. I'm not saying that every single person found innocent in court didn't do it (although I believe at least as many are wrongfully convicted). I'm saying that we have to believe people are innocent until they are proven guilty. Society falls apart without it. We can't just have endless witch hunts with people weaponizing accusations.

2 minutes ago, SFGiants58 said:

It was inaccurate, but it was still a sex crime accusation. When it's enough accusers gathering their stories, it tends to project a far more guilty look than only a few accusers.

But they weren't all independent of each other. They all were rounded up by the same lawyer to sue him in a civil case. Each of them obviously had knowledge of the others when accusing. You don't think all of them jumping on this lawsuit - using each other for credibility - for a payday is at least possible? Them taking him to civil trial before criminal, to me, says volumes. And like I mentioned earlier, there wasn't even enough evidence to make it to criminal trial when they did try it. If they had literally any evidence at all, it goes to trial.

All of that is irrelevant though because it doesn't change the fact that innocence until guilt is proven is a bedrock of a civilized society and he wasn't proven guilty so he must be presumed innocent.

24 minutes ago, SFGiants58 said:

 

Wilson isn't an "alleged" rapist like Watson. That's why Watson is so much worse.

In this country, it's innocent until proven guilty. Wasn't proven guilty, so innocent by definition. Don't like it, move to North Korea or somewhere else where evidence is irrelevant.

Read this book for more information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Kill_a_Mockingbird

Also, rape isn't even what he was "alleged" to have done. It's funny how you put alleged in quotes for something that didn't even have the evidence to go to criminal trial.

On 9/16/2023 at 9:17 AM, BBTV said:

If this injury ends his career, just shut the thread down because you may never be able to top that one.  At least he'll have gone out wearing another relatively-classy uniform and not one of their regular ones.

Isn't there being 1 sleeve stripe instead of 2 and the number font being very slightly different the only differences between the two? I don't see how you can look at that and call it classy and then look at their regular whites and act like they're garbage. They're extremely similar.

On 6/5/2023 at 11:09 AM, dont care said:

Who? But for real, for these guys that aren’t all-pro future hall of famers a name needs to be added to the picture so everyone knows who these people are. Most athletes aren’t identifiable by just their face.

And then ask if it's a serious question when people don't guess which person it is out of a picture of 8 people

1 hour ago, TrueYankee26 said:

Worst trade in Browns history, maybe even NFL history

The Broncos trade for Wilson was far worse. They gave up just as much for a much older player who has played far worse.

The only thing that makes the Bryce Young trade better for the Panthers is the rookie deal Young is on. Heck, the Sam Darnold trade (2nd & 3rd round picks) is up there too.

The 49ers also gave up that much for a QB who played 3 games for them, although I place the blame for that far more on the decision to release him without giving him a chance than I do on the decision to make the trade.