throwuascenario

14 hours ago, ruttep said:

 

Yeah, it only makes sense that this switch back to the current red jersey was planned even before the season because no one in their right mind would've made that decision after seeing the reaction and feedback to the throwback reds. I hope they get it right in 2025-26.

I read it as the classic reds will definitely be back in 25. The only question seems to be whether it's as an alternate again or as the primary. And if the whites will join them.

Just saw this on hurricanes.com from a couple weeks ago. Apologies if it's already been discussed.

"In uniform planning, you typically have to map things out 18-24 months in advance based on design, retail, and other deadlines so we had to make a decision prior to even unveiling the anniversary red uniforms last year what we would be doing for this upcoming 2023-24 season. The consensus internally was to make those uniforms special for the 25th anniversary season and return to the current red uniforms in 2023-24 since they still instill strong brand equity and provide us time to evaluate what the future of our uniforms could and should look like," Forman continued. "We definitely took note of the extremely positive feedback from the anniversary uniforms last season and plan to have it as a big part of our discussions moving forward on our uniform lineup for home, road, and alternate jerseys. We are in a bit of a holding pattern based on the transition from Adidas to Fanatics for the 2024-25 season, so the most likely scenario for any major uniform modifications would be for the 2025-26 season and beyond."

The quote is buried in the article announcing their uniform schedule release: https://www.nhl.com/hurricanes/news/canes-announce-2023-24-uniform-schedule

I wonder if they finally go back to the classics full-time in 2025.

18 hours ago, Cujo said:

 

I stopped reading after this because Staley goes for it on 4th and more than 1. Often. You should actually watch a Chargers game sometime.

You must have stopped reading before anything I said, because I used Ron Rivera as the example relating to 4th and 1.

2 minutes ago, Cujo said:

 

Uh. Ok.

 

Sometimes knowing when to punt and when to not go for it is playing to win.

Sometimes. But a 4th and 1 has a 68% conversion rate so it is completely silly to punt on the opponent's side of the field in that circumstance. And I swear, he did it like 8 times that year. More than half ended up as touchbacks. So you gave up a 68% chance at a first down a few yards from field goal range to put their offense back less than 20 yards. Brilliant.

18 hours ago, Cujo said:

Brandon Staley's "always go for it" mentality has cost the Chargers at least 5 wins since he's arrived. This clown belongs in college where not attempting FGs and never punting, which is incredibly stupid, is actually accepted and embraced.

 

 

I think he takes it too far but many coaches go way too far to the other extreme. I remember in his last year with the Panthers, Rivera would punt on like 4th and 1 from the opponent 40 every single time. I'd rather see someone playing to win than playing not to lose. As long as it's within reason.

3 hours ago, VDizzle12 said:

 

Not only that, the team occasionally wears white helmets or white facemasks now. So for at least 4 games out of the year it doesn't accurately match what's on the field. 

 

Hopefully it's on borrowed time. 

The much bigger problem is that they wear white helmets at all, not that it makes the logo inaccurate.

On 10/16/2023 at 1:44 PM, infrared41 said:

 

This is the better Brownie logo.

 

Both of these are incredibly weak logos IMO. Way, way too detailed. I personally don't think the Browns need anything but the helmet logo. It sets them apart and is immediately identifiable as the Browns. But if they were going to add a secondary logo, it needs to be much better than these.

Also, it's completely sacreligious to see them play in white helmets. They have built their entire brand on the orange helmets.

The Broncos and the Buccaneers are the only two teams that I think could and should pull off a hybrid retro look.

I'd love to see the Bucs in the creamsicles full time, only replacing the helmet logo with a recolored version of the 1997 logo. I don't see why that couldn't work. I love that color scheme, but the winking logo is godawful and 50 years outdated. Their current away jerseys are really just a black outline and sleeve design from being the old away jerseys. So they can mostly keep those as-is, the black outline really helps out the bright colors on white IMO. Just change the helmet and pants and you're good.

The red and pewter is a perfectly solid look too and would be a great forever uniform in its own right. I just like how unique the orange and red is, so fitting for a Florida team. But yeah, the original flag logo was 10,000x better. Just go back to that and that's another really good option.

The Broncos should do the same, old colors with current logo. The D logo is too detailed and an awkward shape. The current logo looks so much better on a helmet and is more fitting as an NFL logo.

I don't want to see either looks as throwback alternates though. Either go all in on it or don't. Don't water down your identity with two distinct brands.

On 10/11/2023 at 2:35 PM, Cujo said:

The Burgh really wants this guy run

 

They'll really do anything to avoid putting blame on their hometown boy, huh?

No OC in the world could make a Kenny Pickett offense work. Not defending Canada, but he's half the problem at most.

13 hours ago, TrueYankee26 said:

I feel bad for @Cujo and all Broncos fans

I don't. After they called that fake incompletion on Cotchery, they deserve everything they get and more. Hope they stay bottom feeders for the next 150 years.

14 hours ago, oldschoolvikings said:

Buy the way, if you gave me the choice between switching the Cowboys to navy blue and sliver across the board or leaving them with the mismatched color mess they currently are, I'd choose mismatched in a heartbeat.  You wouldn't even need to finish the question.  Navy and silver is so boring and base-level wrong for the Cowboys. The current white uniform template recolored to navy and silver just might be the most nauseatingly bland uniform I could even conceive of.

 

The Cowboys obviously do need to streamline their colors, but it isn't in the direction of the boring navy/silver...

 

 

 

 

Now that is a beautiful uniform.

They should bring back the serifed font like the Colts did too.

But yeah, pretty much exactly that on the modern template and tweak the whites to match and they're perfect.

While I'm mentioning the Colts numbers: does anyone else think they're way too big on both sides of the jersey? I feel like they're constantly getting bunched up and misshapen, way more than other teams.

On 9/29/2023 at 8:30 PM, DustDevil61 said:

As far as the new NFL number rules go, I don't mind the further use of single digits outside of QBs, Kickers, and Punters, but single digits still don't look quite right to me on defensive players. All that said, I love the use of the number 0 and can't wait for a quarterback to use it.

 

This might not be the thread for it, but the number 02 car with reminded me: I can see the day in team sports where numbers with leading zeros (01-09) are allowed in addition to 00 before triple-digit numbers are allowed (provided that there's not a enough unretiring of numbers). I often treat 00 as a two-digit shorthand of 100 on a team where both 0 and 00 are worn, so it wouldn't be that big a stretch that 01-09 could be treated as two-digit shorthand 101-109. That could also be a way to distinguish offensive players from defensive players in football (single-digit numbers for offensive players, kickers, and punters, 01-09 for defensive players).

I thought the number rules were perfect pre 2020. But then again, so was the playoff format and the number of games in the season.

12 minutes ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

 

Yes, the soaring temperatures constitute one factor.  And then there's the diminshing water supply, which is occurring at the same time as a population surge.  Things are going to get very messy in that region.

Ok then.

On 10/5/2023 at 12:39 PM, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

Las Vegas is a terrible idea, either for a relocated team or an expansion team.  The unavoidable reality is that that city will not be there in its current form in a few decades. 

 

The same issues that doom Las Vegas in the long term apply to Salt Lake City, as well as, to varying extents, to the entire Southwest.  Major League Baseball should stay away from that region.

Can you please explain what you mean by this?

42 minutes ago, Unocal said:

Chicago got win 1

 

when will Carolina get theirs?

I honestly could see them going 0-17. The defense was mediocre healthy and the secondary has been completely eviscerated by injury. They can't stop the pass and can't even slow down the run. Bryce Young looks completely clueless and worse, looks like he lacks the arm strength to complete difficult throws. After 4 games, it seems like he has a game manager ceiling and that's if he can completely turn it around. The offensive line has regressed and the run game has been non-existent.

Not being able to pass nor run, nor stop the pass nor run really isn't a great strategy to winning football games.

After 5 years, I've completely give up on this owner. He has no clue what he's doing and worse, has no clue that he has no clue what he's doing. We have no talent, no draft picks, no future, and no present.

On 10/2/2023 at 11:23 AM, WBeltz said:

I'd argue in terms of helmets:

1. Jets

2. Indy

3. Washington

 

UNiforms? Indy's is the best by far but that doesn't say much

 

I love that jersey for the Colts. The helmet and pants are complete trash and drag it down. Their typical helmet and pants would look great with it. The only reason I wouldn't want that as their primary look is the history behind the current ones. But it would be a great alternate.

I don't mind the black as trim on the jersey the same way I don't mind it on the Jets primaries. It's once it starts being used as a primary element that it becomes BFBS IMO.

On 9/25/2023 at 7:15 PM, BBTV said:

 

Due to the puny size of their park, that's more than a 10% increase.  Even their fast start doesn't account for that (and there's no way McCutchen does.)

 

If that stat is accurate, I'm at a loss, even with the new fan-friendly rules.

I don't think that math is right. The % increase should be as a % of their previous attendance, so the capacity of the stadium shouldn't matter. Like if they drew 5,000 per game (made up #) and went up to 5,500 per game, thay's a 10% increase regardless of how big the stadium is.

Also, I happen to think that an MLB team could work in Charlotte or Nashville. This is the one instance where having lost a generation of fans can actually be helpful. Both cities have huge numbers of young people coming from other places, but many don't have a strong affinity to other teams from those places.

Look at South End in Charlotte, which is very high in younger transplants. You see WAY more gear and whatnot for Charlotte FC than you do for the Panthers in that part of town. Because people already have NFL teams from wherever they're from but few have a strong allegiance to an MLS team. MLB could work the same way.

19 hours ago, Red Comet said:

Let’s see: Trevor Lawrence at least seems to be above average at worst and really good at best and took a terrible team one year to a division title and a playoff win the next. After firing Sub-Urban Meyer, it turns out he wasn’t too bad, go figure

Zach Wilson: Dude is playing for the Jets. Do I truly need to say much more?

Trey Lance: The 49ers found their QB but it turns out it was Mr. Irrelevant. They also happen to have one of the deepest rosters in the NFL .

Justin Fields: Went to the Graveyard of Quarterbacks known as Chicago. 
Mac Jones: Was a rookie All-Pro. His issue is more his supporting cast and a coach who should’ve ridden off into the sunset when Brady left IMO.

Like that? Turns out you need a solid roster and competent coaching to succeed. 

Yeah 2 of the guys you mentioned went to teams you identified as QB graveyards. Yet both have taken 2 QBs in the top 10 in the last 5 years and at least one will again this year. It's almost like the QB graveyard teams frequently posess the top picks in the draft!

The 49ers gave up on Trey Lance WAY too early for what they gave up for him. He literally played 3 games for them. As a Panthers fan, I don't love Bryce Young but I wouldn't want them to ditch him after this week. I definitely don't think we've seen enough out of Purdy to have made that decision either. Dude has never came back from a 4th quarter deficit. Let's see how they do starting next week now that the cupcake portion of their schedule is over.

Also Mac Jones is horrendous. If you think the supporting staff (or the 6-time SB champion coach) is the problem, I don't know what to tell you. The team is a QB away from being a serious contender, not the other way around.

For the life of me I don't understand why teams keep taking athletically limited, game manager ceiling QBs in the first round. Mac Jones, Kenny Pickett, and Bryce Young is worst of all because of the trade up. You can find a game manager anywhere, you don't need to spend a 1st round pick on it.

On 9/25/2023 at 1:43 PM, Cujo said:

 

Agreed. The Broncos are more than welcome to wear 80s gear 3x a year in alternate form. They work great as throwbacks, but I don't care to see them 16 times a year forever and ever. And to bail on the current look when it carries such a CHAMPIONSHIP tradition for a team who was in the same sentence as the Minnesota Vikings and Buffalo Bills pre-cyberhorse.

 

If the Broncos were to modify their look (since it seems like ownership is kicking the tires on the idea), a Cyberhorse/throwback hybrid would be acceptable, I suppose.

 

Literally this but change the blue to their old blue and you have what should be their forever look.

38 minutes ago, Michael Bolton said:

So in the NFL teams seem to wear uniforms they are successful in more often (Bucs white/pewter, rams white/yellow after they won SB LVI, etc.) The opposite practice could be true also. So given yesterday's result, how long until the Broncos burn the orange jerseys and cyber-horse look and do a full rebrand back to the classic D logo? Next season?

Reverting back to the old D logo would be so lazy. Especially because their current logo works so much better. The Broncos 90s-current brand has some really good strengths IMO.

The logo and the number font are both great. What brings it down is the navy instead of the old blue and the jersey side panels. I'd like to see them wear their 90's uniforms but swapping the number font and the helmet logo for their current ones. To me, that would be the ideal Broncos look.

They managed to do almost the exact opposite with their Color Rush look. They ditched the better logo and numbers but kept the worse colors. The only thing they did right there was ditch the side panels.

Don't like the Browns white helmet at all. The orange helmet is their whole identity, so they don't look like the Browns. If they had worn the orange helmet and orange pants, this could've been matchup of the year.

20 hours ago, Cujo said:

 

Since we were on the topic of the Cowboys, the Cowboys. Their road navy/silver gear looks 100000x better than their home white/royal mess.

This really isn't a fair comparison because the helmet already matches all the colors of the navy/silver look. So the white uniform is a disjointed mess, while the navys are cohesive. A more fair comparison is comparing their original blue uniforms to their current navy uniforms. I happen to think the originals look much better.

21 hours ago, MNtwins3 said:

Twins, Astros, Nationals, Arizona, Auburn, Virginia, UNC

I won't get into college because most of them have been using the same colors so long that you couldn't imagine them changing, for better or worse.

But the Twins, Astros, and Nationals are perfect examples of teams that have drab, boring brands because of navy. The Astros looked so much better in their black/red scheme and the Nationals and Twins brands are just bland.

22 hours ago, MCM0313 said:

Bears, Yankees, Braves, Tigers, off the top of my head. And I’m somebody who isn’t typically keen on navy blue. 

The Yankees' shade of navy is indistinguishable from black. The Bears, Braves, and Tigers all would look better in black as well. I'm not saying they should change to black because that would break long-standing tradition. But aesthetically, it would look a lot better in all of those cases.

2 minutes ago, Cujo said:

 

You may show yourself out now.

Which team that currently uses navy would not be better off changing to royal or black?

On 9/12/2023 at 11:30 PM, jerrylawless3 said:

I'd always been a proponent of the Cowboys converting to navy/gray full time, but I'm starting to think that building around the royal/silver scheme could really work. Maybe find something between the saturated blue from Sunday night and the true silver, and the drop the black accents too.

 

Something like this could be a solid modern look.

It might be a hot take, but I don't think there's a real need for Navy as a color for any team in any sport.

The vast majority would look much better in royal blue and the few others would look better in black.

Navy is the flattest, most boring color and doesn't even let other colors pop off of it the same way that black does.

On 9/13/2023 at 1:53 PM, Nordiks_19 said:

Probably a matter of time before their original look comes back full time given the popularity it had. But good move to bring back the 2017-22 red. I know it's not a popular opinion, but i always tought it was their best looking jersey ever.

 

Anything but their black one actually

The main thing that makes the old reds so much better is the font. That large, nascar style font is so much better looking and distinctive than the razor thin generic font on their current jerseys. Aside from the font, the new reds probably look better as generic hockey jerseys but not as Hurricanes jerseys. The original look with the unashamed warning flags is just more unique and more Hurricanes.

And either one being the primary would be 1000x better than the black jerseys. The shape of the logo looks horrible on a jersey and beyond that, black just isn't their primary color. The whites are also a mess, just match them to whichever red jersey you choose and call it a day.

Don't even get me started on the Whalers jerseys. They don't include the logos, colors, fonts or branding of anything remotely Hurricanes related. I don't even watch the games they wear those because it feels like a completely different team.

In my perfect world, they just go back to exactly what they were wearing until 2007, including no alternates.