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Bleh. As (sort of) a fan, I'm not a fan. I much prefer dark arenas in basketball and hockey, so that all the attention is on the field of play. You don't leave the house lights on at movies, plays, the opera, what have you, so I see no reason to do so at sporting events, unless you're doing a whiteout or something. The Blackhawks keep the United Center house lights dim to off, but have the ribbon boards and those dopey "Madhouse on Madison" signs on, which looks a little eerie.
I'm with you. The Spectum used to be dim, except for the ice. I like watching old wrestling tapes from MSG where just the ring is lit up.
I remember my first time in the Igloo in Pittsburgh, and I was amazed that it was so bright in there. Then the Wachovia center was built, and it too is bright (though not as bright as Igloo.) I'm not sure if it's a safety / insurance thing, or just because nowadays so much of the crowd is "corporate", and is pretty much concerned with everything but the game.
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Why cant we have a hockey stadium with a retactible roof. Then we would have hockey outside.
Because nobody is asking for it. Nobody would attend outdoor hockey on a regular basis. You certainly wouldn't have outdoor basketball in the majority of cities, and the other events that happen in these arenas aren't really meant for an outdoor environment. You'd be spending hundreds of millions to build a roof contraption that would get used once or twice a year.
Once upon a time the Penguins used to have a retractable roof at the Mellon Arena. Too bad they had too many glitches with the roof that they decided to close it up just like the Olympic Stadium in Montreal.
Right, but that design consideration had little (if anything) to do with hockey.
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Why cant we have a hockey stadium with a retactible roof. Then we would have hockey outside.
Because nobody is asking for it. Nobody would attend outdoor hockey on a regular basis. You certainly wouldn't have outdoor basketball in the majority of cities, and the other events that happen in these arenas aren't really meant for an outdoor environment. You'd be spending hundreds of millions to build a roof contraption that would get used once or twice a year.
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"Western Conference Regular Season Champions"? Is there such a title? Is anything actually awarded to the 1 seed in each conference? Or are they just looking for reasons to make banners?
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You had to quote seven pictures to say that?
Anyway, cool article about MSG. I'm sure I'll be there again before the renovations start, so I'll definitely pay more attention to where I'm going next time.
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Question about MSG:
I was there for the first time yesterday, but I was in the Theater part of it. I was really just in for the show and then out, so I didn't really get to see much of the arena.
Is the Theater above the sports arena part of it? It seemed like it was, but I couldn't tell for sure if it was literally like a second floor, or if it was something that was just on the side.
I worked at MSG for 4 years...
The Theater is within the arena. The basketball court/ hockey ice is on the fifth floor, and then the seats expand up from that all the way to the top floor which is the sky boxes.
The Theater is beneath all that, I believe the stage level is on the first floor and the top row of seats is on the 2nd floor.
When you say "floor", you mean seating tier, right? Not like the arena is on it's own floor, like it's an office building and it has stuff above and below it, right?
So from what it sounds like, the theater seems to be nestled in behind the first and second levels of seats, where you would normally expect something like a locker room to be?
Something like
*
*
*
*
* <------200 level seats
*
* <----- 100 level seats
theater *
theater *
theater * court / ice
theater ***********************************No, he means like an office building. The floor/ice is not at ground level. MSG is 10 stories tall, the floor is on the 5th floor and the seating is on floors 5-10. I've never been to the theatre portion but from the way he describes it I think the theater is below the arena.
Now that I re-read his post, it makes more sense now. Still, it certainly didn't look like a 10-story building. I was staring at it as we walked up to it, and it didn't appear to be much taller than the Wachovia Center or any other arena. Of course, it may have been an illusion, since there's a big tower right next to it.
To get to the theater, we had to go up at least one escalator. Can't remember if more than one. We then walked through the lobby where the bars are to get to the seating, and walked down to our seats. It would make sense that we entered on the second floor, and walked down near the first where the stage is.
It seemed so small though... like it couldn't have taken up the entire floor (unless there's a huge area behind the stage.)
MSG has diagrams on its website. As you can see here it takes up about a quarter to a half of what would be the arena floor.
http://www.thegarden...verview-map.pdf
Here is the general overview of MSG diagram. As you can see the Theater is floors 2-3, and the arena is floors 5+. I think floor 1 is the lobby. I don't rally know the only part of MSG I've been in was Penn Station.
http://www.thegarden...verview-map.pdf
Has for its height it is probably a little of both. The bigger buildings around probably do create an optical illusion but Wachovia Center might not be that far behind in size. Remember MSG was built in the late 60's about the same time as the Spectrum in Philly. Layouts were different where it goes out more instead of stacked like arenas today. Thus the arena portion isn't as tall. As a comparison look at the height of the Spectrum compared to the Wachovia Center.
Cool, thanks for the info!
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Question about MSG:
I was there for the first time yesterday, but I was in the Theater part of it. I was really just in for the show and then out, so I didn't really get to see much of the arena.
Is the Theater above the sports arena part of it? It seemed like it was, but I couldn't tell for sure if it was literally like a second floor, or if it was something that was just on the side.
I worked at MSG for 4 years...
The Theater is within the arena. The basketball court/ hockey ice is on the fifth floor, and then the seats expand up from that all the way to the top floor which is the sky boxes.
The Theater is beneath all that, I believe the stage level is on the first floor and the top row of seats is on the 2nd floor.
When you say "floor", you mean seating tier, right? Not like the arena is on it's own floor, like it's an office building and it has stuff above and below it, right?
So from what it sounds like, the theater seems to be nestled in behind the first and second levels of seats, where you would normally expect something like a locker room to be?
Something like
*
*
*
*
* <------200 level seats
*
* <----- 100 level seats
theater *
theater *
theater * court / ice
theater ***********************************No, he means like an office building. The floor/ice is not at ground level. MSG is 10 stories tall, the floor is on the 5th floor and the seating is on floors 5-10. I've never been to the theatre portion but from the way he describes it I think the theater is below the arena.
Now that I re-read his post, it makes more sense now. Still, it certainly didn't look like a 10-story building. I was staring at it as we walked up to it, and it didn't appear to be much taller than the Wachovia Center or any other arena. Of course, it may have been an illusion, since there's a big tower right next to it.
To get to the theater, we had to go up at least one escalator. Can't remember if more than one. We then walked through the lobby where the bars are to get to the seating, and walked down to our seats. It would make sense that we entered on the second floor, and walked down near the first where the stage is.
It seemed so small though... like it couldn't have taken up the entire floor (unless there's a huge area behind the stage.)
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Question about MSG:
I was there for the first time yesterday, but I was in the Theater part of it. I was really just in for the show and then out, so I didn't really get to see much of the arena.
Is the Theater above the sports arena part of it? It seemed like it was, but I couldn't tell for sure if it was literally like a second floor, or if it was something that was just on the side.
I worked at MSG for 4 years...
The Theater is within the arena. The basketball court/ hockey ice is on the fifth floor, and then the seats expand up from that all the way to the top floor which is the sky boxes.
The Theater is beneath all that, I believe the stage level is on the first floor and the top row of seats is on the 2nd floor.
When you say "floor", you mean seating tier, right? Not like the arena is on it's own floor, like it's an office building and it has stuff above and below it, right?
So from what it sounds like, the theater seems to be nestled in behind the first and second levels of seats, where you would normally expect something like a locker room to be?
Something like
*
*
*
*
* <------200 level seats
*
* <----- 100 level seats
theater *
theater *
theater * court / ice
theater *********************************** -
Question about MSG:
I was there for the first time yesterday, but I was in the Theater part of it. I was really just in for the show and then out, so I didn't really get to see much of the arena.
Is the Theater above the sports arena part of it? It seemed like it was, but I couldn't tell for sure if it was literally like a second floor, or if it was something that was just on the side.
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ha, that's a really nice touch.
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Pitt joined the Big East in 1982 3 years after it was started with Georgetown,St.John's,Providence and Syracuse inviting Uconn,Seton Hall,BC,Holy Cross and Rutgers to join. Rutgers and Holy Cross actually declined at that point. Villonova came along the following year in 1980.
But when most people think big east, they think of classic Ewing/Georgetown vs. Villanova games, Chris Mullin and St. Johns, etc. I'm not sure PITT has the cache of those teams, because of how good they all were in the '80s, and how they're smaller "underdog"-type schools. PITT is great now, but isn't a "classic" Big East team. It's splitting hairs, I know. I'm just saying that more fans would be upset about one of those other schools leaving vs. PITT.
What's Rutgers supposed to say - "yeah, we really hope they ask us, 'cause we can't wait to leave this crappy league we're in now!"
Means absolutely nothing.
Are you really trying to say the Big Ten is better than the Big East in basketball?
Huh? Not at all, though basketball has zero to do with this. Just saying that you can't listen to any quotes at this point, because there is no way anyone will ever say anything other than that they are happy where they're at. I was exaggerating to make the point.
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What's Rutgers supposed to say - "yeah, we really hope they ask us, 'cause we can't wait to leave this crappy league we're in now!"
Means absolutely nothing.
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Is it just me or did the Matsui signing fly under the radar.
-Dan
Completely. I had no idea. I guess it was overshadowed by the Halladay / Lee deals.
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Pitt is such a staple of Big East Basketball it would be tough for them to leave.
Syracuse,Pitt and Georgetown that is Big East Basketball. This is more than just CFB and the BCS.
Not sure how old you are, but I'd say that most people would consider Georgetown, Villanova, and probably Syracuse are the staples of the Big East, with UConn knocking at that door due to their recent success. PITT could get there, but until the past few years, they were never really thought of as a core Big East school, and I'm not sure too many Big East (basketball) fans would cry if they weren't there (as long as they got replaced.) As long as the core stays in tact, the conference will survive.
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1) Will each Big Tenleven still make more from the BTN and ABC if it expanded to 12 teams?
2) Can you give us some figures to back that up? We're a cynical lot 'round here and generally need numbers to verify these types of claims.
LinkThe Big Ten Conference's 10-year deals with CBS and ESPN will produce an average of $9.3 million for each school.Financial terms of the contract were not disclosed, although Ebersol said the contract is a flat fee and not based on ratings. The current contract that expires in 2010 is reported to be worth $9 million a year.I couldn't find more detailed info on the ND/NBC contract. It looks like they are getting just slightly under what the Big Ten schools are. So, if they shared the NBC contract with the other teams, everyone would break even. However, adding ND doesn't give BTN the ability to enter a new market. Indiana/Chicagoland is tapped out. Adding, say, Syracuse would bring in the New York market, which would presumably boost revenue, even if it is split 12 ways instead of 11.
Wouldn't it enter a lot of new markets due to the national following that ND has? Wouldn't there be demand all over foro BTN?
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Then why don't you put them in the same division and have their game be the last one before the championship game?
I agree with this.
The argument is that if OSU has the title-game berth wrapped up prior to the Michigan game, do they rest any starters, therefore diminishing the importance of the game? If their title-game opponent is in the same position, and does rest players, that could put OSU at a disadvantage.
I don't think it's a really good argument, but that's what it would be.
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Why does the NCAA care how a conference determines its champion? I don't understand why the Big 10 can't just schedule a championship game, regardless of the number of teams it has.
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I'm pretty sure they do resod it, because it looked pretty good for the PITT vs. Cinci game a couple of weeks ago.
I'm not sure why they play the WPIAL games there anyway, since they're not even the state championship games, and they get less than 20 K fans total for all four games. This year, they only pre-sold 6K tickets, and got a max of 6K game-day sales. Seems like kind of a waste.
They do it for the kids, it's a big deal for them to play at Heinz.
Yeah, I get that. It just seems that they shouldn't sacrafice an event as big as a college championship game for state semi-final football games, since there are probably other more-than-suitable venues elsewhere. Actually, unless they were going to play at IUP, Clarion, Slippery Rock, or one of those other D2 schools, there's probably not.
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Plus a Big Ten Championship game from Soldier Field would be awesome.
Too small, too outdoors. That thing is locked in Indy, with perhaps an occasional token gesture in Detroit.
Considering The University of Michigan is all of about 20-30 minutes west of Detroit on I-94 I think Ford Field will be more than just a "token gesture." My guess is if it is always an indoor game then it would alternate between the two. The Metrodome could be in play as well. But, early December is still very reasonable for football in these parts so an outdoor game isn't at all out of the question. That could put Soldier Field, Browns Stadium, Heinz Field, and Paul Brown Stadium into the mix as well.
Even if Pitt is the choice (which I think it should not be), Heinz Field will be hard to have a game at. The Big Ten will move to add permanent BYE week effective in 2010, thus allowing for a game following Thanksgiving. The WPIAL title games are held there and that may be too much impact on the grass without the possibility of reseeding or replacing it that late in the year.
I'm pretty sure they do resod it, because it looked pretty good for the PITT vs. Cinci game a couple of weeks ago.
I'm not sure why they play the WPIAL games there anyway, since they're not even the state championship games, and they get less than 20 K fans total for all four games. This year, they only pre-sold 6K tickets, and got a max of 6K game-day sales. Seems like kind of a waste.
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Thought maybe he had dreams of someday being an offensive tackle.
Following in the footsteps of Shawn Bradley and Toni Kukoc as Sixers who have worn numbers in the 70s.
Not sure if there were any others.
I think Bradley was the only one. Kukoc wore #7.
Interesting. I'm certain that I saw him wear 77, even if only for his first game, before someone else changed their number. That was a while ago though, so I could be mistaken.
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Thought maybe he had dreams of someday being an offensive tackle.
Following in the footsteps of Shawn Bradley and Toni Kukoc as Sixers who have worn numbers in the 70s.
Not sure if there were any others.
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Funny - I go to StadiumPage.com all the time (and the Stadium Graveyard page), and never even noticed the WS Rings extension. Looks like I have a new bookmark to add.
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wake me when the caps have a banner for Al Iafrate. Man, I heart'd that guy.
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Why don't NFL teams celebrate championships as much as the other sports? Don't see too man pennants / flags / trohpy cases / etc.
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Does the NHL recognize a "regular season" champion? If not, then the team is just making up fake championships. It's kind of like how Ted DiBiase invented the Million Dollar Championship, just so he could have a pretty belt to wear around.